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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I may not be as cute as the other girls, but I'm the best at arm wrestling!


Bronze Fonz posted:

Japanese culture has a problem with oversexualization of school girls... how is this even up for debate?

nobody is debating that, but saying 'lol japan' when one dumb thing exists and following it up with saying 'singing the japanese national anthem as they molest children' is not, in fact, saying 'japanese culture has a problem with oversexualization of schoolgirls'

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Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...


And yes, that is of course an exclusively Japanese problem. Just ignore that giant pile of Catholic Schoolgirl themed porn over there.

dmboogie
Oct 4, 2013



Infinity Gaia posted:

And yes, that is of course an exclusively Japanese problem. Just ignore that giant pile of Catholic Schoolgirl themed porn over there.

absolutely nothing sketchy going on with riverdale either

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

I LIKE TO MAKE VAGUE THREATS TO PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET BECAUSE I AM TOUGH GUY. P.S. ASK ME ABOUT THE TIME A GIRL BEAT ME UP IN GRADE SCHOOL. HER NAME WAS SUZIE SHE DREW A BIG WEINER ON MY FOREHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Japanese culture has a problem with giant monster attacks

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Ask me about the hate crime perpetrated against a gay black man, and how it was a real hate crime and totally not fabricated. I am well acquainted with the facts of this actual hate crime which actually took place in actuality.

Hwurmp posted:

Japanese culture has a problem with giant monster attacks

yeah, they should stop sexualizing those.

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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dmboogie posted:

absolutely nothing sketchy going on with riverdale either

Hey, Riverdale is good!!1

tho it is a show where betty does a strip show for a biker gang and she is supposed to be like 16 and there isn't really the same type outrage for it yeah

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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e: double post

free hubcaps
Oct 12, 2009


Endorph posted:

if you said black people shoot each other a lot people would also call you a racist fyi

lmao no. the direct analogy to what i said would actually be "America murders black people" which is accurate

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

look-
a post,


please don't use the long and troubled history of state sanction racial violence towards black people to try to win points in an argument you are being racist in

Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jun 28, 2020

free hubcaps
Oct 12, 2009


Snooze Cruise posted:

please don't use the long and troubled history of state sanction racial violence towards black people to try to win points in an argument you are being racist in

i assume this was directed at endorph since i was replying to his leap to racial violence in america? also do you disagree with the statement?

america shoots schoolchildren, is that better?

im willing to take criticism to heart but getting called a racist for saying "COUNTRY DOES BAD THING" in a dumb flippant ftfy joke is lame af

anyways ill shut up now, i genuinely apologize for the derail

Francis
Jul 23, 2007

Thanks for the input, Jeff.

turning a blind eye to the sexual exploitation of minors to defend the honor of my children's cartoons

Snooze Cruise
Feb 16, 2013

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a post,


why is it always this or incest in this thread. At list with incest i csn post the funny frozen gif.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013

I commute by bike!


https://files.catbox.moe/0xa8ms.mp4

Mr. Fortitude
Jul 9, 2010


FYI most normal people in Japan thinks pedoshit is gross too. You're over generalising media of which a small minority of is specifically aimed towards no life weirdos who get off to it, because they're willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money to indulge in it.

Japan has many, many, many societal problems but claiming that all of Japan are pedophiles is racist as hell.

The Black Stones
May 7, 2007

COMPUTERS!
COMPUTERS!
YAAAAAAAAY!

Yeah America has zero issues with sexualization of children, *sees the existence of child beauty pageants*

Hmmmmm, perhaps this being a really bad problem for only Japan ISNíT the hill you should die on.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013

I commute by bike!


check out this old announcement trailer for dungeons & dam where they play a version of the song where everyone singing it sounds bored out of their minds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfD3_ofTjQM

i'm sad dun-dam never got loc'd cause it seems like a fun time as far as janky obscure ds srpgs go

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018



free hubcaps posted:

sometimes i joke about america and the fact that it has a gun problem too, sorry for being racist
if you made an equivalent joke about america like, idk, "lmfao 'muricans be shooting their children every morning before breakfast", people would still have looked at you funny because you're taking a problem in American society (poor gun control) and extending that to every single American doing horrible and criminal things, i.e. making an extreme generalization. just because it's a joke doesn't mean the content doesn't matter! there are also fundamental differences between joking about a group you're a part of and a group you're not a part of, but I think the joke itself is the biggest issue here

e:

free hubcaps posted:

i assume this was directed at endorph since i was replying to his leap to racial violence in america? also do you disagree with the statement?

...

anyways ill shut up now, i genuinely apologize for the derail
btw if you genuinely want to end an argument you should not continue the argument in the same post

Elephant Parade fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jun 29, 2020

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011



Francis posted:

turning a blind eye to the sexual exploitation of minors to defend the honor of my children's cartoons

How is fictional school girls directly being called sexual exploitation? gently caress man Ubisoft needs to stop with the animal abuse in Far Cry.

As for Japanese media ya there is some real weird poo poo there but as a country there doesn't seem to be any high amounts of children related crimes whether its violent or sexual. Maybe not having this type of content would reduce those numbers but who knows since there are countries with way strict child media laws but with way worse crime rates despite having similar socio economic situation as Japan.

I am not really into moe anime poo poo but if some people like it w.e. The tearing of the clothes part sounds stupid and should be removed though but there was also a game a while back from Japan where you rip people's underwear's off, I forgot the name. Akihabara something I think.

Ulio fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jun 29, 2020

The White Dragon
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!




i felt it wasnt a sufficiently accurate geographic depiction of akihabara so it wasn't interesting to me

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013

I commute by bike!


akiba's trip is a mixed bag cause one sidequest is weirdly judgmental of older women wanting to cosplay but another sidequest culminates in a bunch of women pranking you by pretending they're confessing their love to you and then saying "... hah! you wish, dork. bet you're really embarrassed now, huh? bet you're super angry?" and you have the option to just say "ah. well, i don't really care." and they're all just like "oh. huh. alright." and everyone just walks away

Barudak
May 7, 2007



Akihabara is very dull, the real pro area videogames taught me is Ueno which is beautiful and lovely.

The White Dragon
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!


the pointed exclusion of the disused rental offices along the sumida river being used as comiket-adjacent convention sites was my breaking point lol. but idk maybe that counts as ueno it's pretty far on the north side in which case hey. tokyo has lots of cool places off the main strips and i figure ueno is one of many. even if there are objectively better places, akb is number one in my heart,

so the replica isn't detailed enough for my tastes

The White Dragon fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jun 29, 2020

Million Ghosts
Aug 11, 2011

spooooooky


for some reason my broken brain latched hard onto Akiba's Trip back on PS3 and i ran through a bunch of cycles to unlock worthless poo poo. i absolutely would never tell another human to play it. the gag where you have to fight every single member of AKB48 is fun though.

didn't they put out a 'sequel' that was a straight turn based JRPG? i assume it's also awful

Max Wilco
Jan 22, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

END ME SCOOB posted:

I mean, why not both? I don't recall NISA attempting to "rebalance" anything into the ground, despite bugs, and while there are clunky localization choices and some sloppiness from a tiny company (culminating in the absolute disaster of Ys 8's launch), especially in the modern age they tend to correct and patch egregious works which are never on the level of "let's have old men argue about rap for no reason".

NISA feels like they're in over their head. Working Designs is loving up proudly and telling you the poo poo stain on the plate is a skid mark of quality.

The only Working Designs changes I remember off the top of my head are turning up the difficulty for Popful Mail, and some Bill Clinton sax reference in another game. I know there are more, but I just can't remember any.

With NISA, I remember Ys 8 had the 'Big Hole' goof, and the 'I'm a doctor, that means he's a doctor' goof. Again, there are more, I just can't remember.

Endorph posted:

It's less 'senran kagura fanbase boycotting them' and more 'they had to delay the release of one of their tentpole titles by months with no warning because Sony screwed them over'

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Yeah...No clue where this boycott narrative came from.

From what I remember, a lot of people have been critical of Sony (maybe XSEED to an extent) for altering or censoring nudity or sexual content for games that get released on their systems.

Senran Kagura was one of the games that got affected by that, but I don't think it's limited to anime games. The US version of Devil May Cry 5 had a scene censored on PS4, though I think it's since been patched to be the same as all other versions.

It's odd, because that's something I'd expect more from Nintendo than from Sony (then again, Nintendo adopted Bayonetta after Sega dropped the franchise, so who knows?)


The White Dragon posted:



i felt it wasnt a sufficiently accurate geographic depiction of akihabara so it wasn't interesting to me

This is one of those games that I've had sitting in my Steam wishlist for a long time, but I've never felt like picking it up, partly out of shame, and partly because the reviews for it make it sound like the game's kind of weak. It's $9.99 USD right now. Is it worth checking out? It kind of looks like a 3D beat-em-up mixed with an RPG.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008




Gravy Boat 2k

Bronze Fonz posted:

Japanese culture has a problem with oversexualization of school girls... how is this even up for debate?

I'd say they have a thing for over_____ of school in general. So much school stuff, across games, shows, books, etc. Schools, man.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013

I commute by bike!


Max Wilco posted:

The only Working Designs changes I remember off the top of my head are turning up the difficulty for Popful Mail, and some Bill Clinton sax reference in another game. I know there are more, but I just can't remember any.

"On Exile 2 it was an issue of limited number of modifications because we weren't doing the game reprogramming, Telenet was. It was a small number of tries. And on the second-to last time, we had it *almost* right, so we added like +1 to the monsters, but it was like that scene with the fat guy in Meaning of Life where the waiter gives him that one wafer and he explodes. That +1 exceeded some limit internally and made the monsters exponentially harder rather than incrementally. Since it was our last "fix" and we had production discs, I thought we were screwed and had made an unwinnable game. Fortunately, with some time and special strategies, we found out you could finish it. We made one of the hardest games ever - by accident."

(people dug into the game code and found out literally everything he says about how the game is programmed is bullshit and there's no way it could've happened without them going insanely overboard)

they also delayed the rayearth game for like a year to buff enemy stats, inserted jokes about condoms and child abuse, and removed most of the voiced dialog and claimed they did it to make space for voicing other parts of the game... except the jp voices for the dialog they cut them from are still on the disc.

quote:

This is one of those games that I've had sitting in my Steam wishlist for a long time, but I've never felt like picking it up, partly out of shame, and partly because the reviews for it make it sound like the game's kind of weak. It's $9.99 USD right now. Is it worth checking out? It kind of looks like a 3D beat-em-up mixed with an RPG.

its writing is occasionally really funny but it's also occasionally very not funny. and while three of the story branches are neat, two of them are almost beat-for-beat repeats of each other and they make you replay the first hour every loop which gets really tedious and the combat is like way of the samurai if way of the samurai sucked supreme rear end. ten bucks is about the baseline i'd rec it for but you uh have to really be in the mood for what it's laying down to get anything out of it without just getting annoyed and even then it's... not amazing

The White Dragon
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!


Max Wilco posted:

This is one of those games that I've had sitting in my Steam wishlist for a long time, but I've never felt like picking it up, partly out of shame, and partly because the reviews for it make it sound like the game's kind of weak. It's $9.99 USD right now. Is it worth checking out? It kind of looks like a 3D beat-em-up mixed with an RPG.

i can't exactly recommend it but if you want this kind of gameplay i can recommend way of the samurai 4

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

Hi, Everybody!


Max Wilco posted:

From what I remember, a lot of people have been critical of Sony (maybe XSEED to an extent) for altering or censoring nudity or sexual content for games that get released on their systems.

Senran Kagura was one of the games that got affected by that, but I don't think it's limited to anime games. The US version of Devil May Cry 5 had a scene censored on PS4, though I think it's since been patched to be the same as all other versions.

It's odd, because that's something I'd expect more from Nintendo than from Sony (then again, Nintendo adopted Bayonetta after Sega dropped the franchise, so who knows?)

Iirc, Sony's been cleaning house on sketchy poo poo because of the Vita being known for little more than sketchy visual novels for most of its lifespan.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!


They were cleaning house because of the olympics

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013

I commute by bike!


why would sony ever make a decision based off of the vita

Max Wilco
Jan 22, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

The White Dragon posted:

i can't exactly recommend it but if you want this kind of gameplay i can recommend way of the samurai 4

The Colonel posted:

its writing is occasionally really funny but it's also occasionally very not funny. and while three of the story branches are neat, two of them are almost beat-for-beat repeats of each other and they make you replay the first hour every loop which gets really tedious and the combat is like way of the samurai if way of the samurai sucked supreme rear end. ten bucks is about the baseline i'd rec it for but you uh have to really be in the mood for what it's laying down to get anything out of it without just getting annoyed and even then it's... not amazing

Well, I have Way of the Samurai 4, but I've yet to play through that, so I guess I'll give Akiba's Trip a pass for now.

Shinjobi posted:

I'd say they have a thing for over_____ of school in general. So much school stuff, across games, shows, books, etc. Schools, man.

Remember that anime that took place at a high school? Or that one episode of that one anime that had a comedy episode that took place at a high school? What was it called?

On a more serious note, one of the things I remember reading is that the reason why there's so much media that focuses on high school stuff is because a lot of it is marketed towards working adults who want to escape back to their high school days, when things were less stressful.

I'm probably misremembering the exact explanation. I just recall reading somewhere games like Tokimeki Memorial or dating sims in general were designed in mind for salarymen who spent most of their time working, and didn't really have the time or money to start a relationship.


The Colonel posted:

"On Exile 2 it was an issue of limited number of modifications because we weren't doing the game reprogramming, Telenet was. It was a small number of tries. And on the second-to last time, we had it *almost* right, so we added like +1 to the monsters, but it was like that scene with the fat guy in Meaning of Life where the waiter gives him that one wafer and he explodes. That +1 exceeded some limit internally and made the monsters exponentially harder rather than incrementally. Since it was our last "fix" and we had production discs, I thought we were screwed and had made an unwinnable game. Fortunately, with some time and special strategies, we found out you could finish it. We made one of the hardest games ever - by accident."

(people dug into the game code and found out literally everything he says about how the game is programmed is bullshit and there's no way it could've happened without them going insanely overboard)

they also delayed the rayearth game for like a year to buff enemy stats, inserted jokes about condoms and child abuse, and removed most of the voiced dialog and claimed they did it to make space for voicing other parts of the game... except the jp voices for the dialog they cut them from are still on the disc.

Well, that uh...

Actually, here's something I've been curious about : was there a reason why so many localizations deliberately changed or removed Japanese culture stuff during the 90s? I was thinking about the original localization of Persona 1 the other day, and while I haven't played it myself, I remember how the portraits got changed, how they tried to change it to being in San Francisco, etc. I get some of the stuff like the pharmacy song wasn't something you could feasibly change, but then I think about something like Pokemon's "these 'donuts' are delicious' alteration, and I've never really been clear on why a lot of that was changed.

Motto
Aug 3, 2013



They were trying to boost marketability by making them seem less/not foreign.

Zushio
May 8, 2008


Welcome to America, Ms. Ishtar. Will you be heading to Los Angeles to meet with Mr. Phoenix Wright?

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013

I commute by bike!


looking for all the japanese salarymen who turned to the strawberry panic ps2 game to live out the relationships they didn't have the time or money to experience

dating sims are kind of a broader market than that, like they can be part of the audience for a game but i wouldn't single them out as the only one. like even tokimeki has tokimeki memorial girls' side

The Colonel fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Jun 29, 2020

Max Wilco
Jan 22, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

Zushio posted:

Welcome to America, Ms. Ishtar. Will you be heading to Los Angeles to meet with Mr. Phoenix Wright?




The Colonel posted:

looking for all the japanese salarymen who turned to the strawberry panic ps2 game to live out the relationships they didn't have the time or money to experience

dating sims are kind of a broader market than that, like they can be part of the audience for a game but i wouldn't single them out as the only one

Like I said, I'm probably misremembering that, since it's been a long time since I've read it. I could be mixing it up with something else.

Zushio
May 8, 2008




Brock is right.

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009



Grimey Drawer

Re: Sony content changes

In 2018 the game Omega Labryinth Z was refused classification in the UK. It's a mystery dungeon game where the girls power up by growing their boobs. One of the characters was a first year high schooler that "looked young for her age" and carried around a teddy bear.
https://www.cinemablend.com/games/2...ime-in-a-decade

The publisher Pqube then went radio silent and in the end Sony refused to allow them to publish on the platform. Later in the fall, people started noticing some Japanese "all ages visual novels" having some obnoxious light beams over panty shots and fanservice hot springs events being extra steamy. Games in the localization pipeline had additional changes to remove touch features and edit images to be in compliance. Since there were Japanese magazine scans showing uncensored images before the final game launch (or a Switch version) the complainers on the internet had all sorts of images for clickbait. Japanse developers fell in line and newer games take the content policies into consideration so all you hear about now are when someone ports over a pre-2018 game and has to make changes.

POLICE CAR AUCTION
Dec 1, 2003

I'm not a princess



Saw some steam reviews for Disgaea 5 mention that the online stuff is cut out, does any of that poo poo make much of a difference? I'd rather throw this on the steam backlog rather than the ps4 one

(also saw a not recommended review with 521 hours on record, loving lol)

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012





POLICE CAR AUCTION posted:

Saw some steam reviews for Disgaea 5 mention that the online stuff is cut out, does any of that poo poo make much of a difference?

No, not at all

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hanales
Nov 3, 2013


Iíd just like everyone to know that suikoden 1 and 2 both run flawlessly on a RetroPie.

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