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Are the first 2 Breath of Fire games worth playing? Noticed that both of them were on Switch's SNES app.
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Oct 26, 2020 00:42
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The Colonel posted:bofiv has masters but i think it tones them down so much that there's basically only one actually worth using? idk i'm only like four hours in and just met the first one they're still quite useful for the stat increases on level up, they just changed how they give you new skills. instead of leveling up various amounts you have to do things like perform a 10/20/30-hit combo or bring certain items to them. there are also less of them iirc? its been a while since i played.
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Oct 26, 2020 00:48
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Electric Phantasm posted:Are the first 2 Breath of Fire games worth playing? Noticed that both of them were on Switch's SNES app. 1 yes, if you can stomach early rpgs. 2 no, unless you've got a balance patch and a retranslation patch. the original snes version is garbage
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Oct 26, 2020 00:49
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Just let me equip my lod to go fishing
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Oct 26, 2020 01:22
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Electric Phantasm posted:Are the first 2 Breath of Fire games worth playing? Noticed that both of them were on Switch's SNES app. 1 is pretty decent and 2 is great. They're both worth playing but if you only pick one make it 2.
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Oct 26, 2020 01:26
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Electric Phantasm posted:Are the first 2 Breath of Fire games worth playing? Noticed that both of them were on Switch's SNES app. Breath of Fire 2 shows its age honestly. There are a few surprise solo sections, and the game's party and experience mechanics aren't as simple and elegant as the first. Couple that with a bunch of half-baked mechanics that are too rough in this game to be good (and which get refined more in subsequent games), and you get a janky old SNES JRPG that someone playing for the first time in 2020 might have a really hard time appreciating. DEFINITELY don't play on Switch, because the NSO version uses the official translation, which is legendary for how bad it is (example: they manage to reverse "Yes" and "No" prompts several times over the course of the game. Play on emulator, where you can get the retranslation patch.
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Oct 26, 2020 02:40
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Amppelix posted:oh my god BoF III is loving taunting me with how many side excursions there are until you can bring your first new party members to any of the masters In my bof3 play through earlier this year I kept Ryu at lvl 1 until Bunyan was available and teleport was lvl 1 until gygax was available. Reid can solo the Nue so it’s not too bad. Teepo can smash the ghosts on his own with a silver dagger too. Peco stayed lvl 1 until another master opened up so he could grab shadowwalk for ryu, though super combo from Bunyan can destroy bosses just fine when paired with stuff like last resort and charge. Lvl 1 ryu just needs frost (teepo got it from his master) and you can powerlvl on the sandman enemies at the mountain to windia. Having frost makes them practically free and they’re a ton of xp compared to everything else. Really though, If you want to mix max then you don’t worry about masters it’s all about filling your village with item dupers and duping items that permenantly increase speed/ap because then you end up with a ryu who gets extra attacks vs everything while having the ap to run your best dragon form for a stupidly long time. Though a few wisdom fruits suffice there too. Speed for EX attacks is the big thing. And one of the gambling rewards can be a king goo sword but you need obscene luck or savestate abuse to get one.
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Oct 26, 2020 06:35
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Wow I love that it's making me do three whole dungeons with just two party members right now this in a game with no leaked experience. can't wait to not use Garr for the next several hours after this with how overleveled he'll be compared to everyone. He was forced for the last dungeon before the timeskip too!
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Oct 26, 2020 19:45
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bofiv is fun but i wish fou lu's journey in the early going was not vastly more interesting than ryu's just because fou lu actually has a personality. the main party dynamic has that awkward silent protag thing going on for me where cray, nina and ershin are pretty alright but ryu's so just, kinda there, that i'd forget he exists if he didn't have cool dragon powers
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Oct 27, 2020 00:18
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I was actually super invested in BoF3 just for it's intro where your an actual baby dragon just going on a rampage because frightened babby and miners are attacking you and then your captured and like... I don't really know where I thought it was all going exactly but I wound kinda disappointed after a bit. And also I got real sick of the horse dudes.
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Oct 27, 2020 00:35
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i think if there's one thing i wish psx jrpgs had, it's faster menus you always forget how slow the menus in psx jrpgs are until you play them
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Oct 27, 2020 00:40
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i had the psx port of chrono trigger even 14-year old me found that a struggle
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Oct 27, 2020 00:42
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I never touched FF5 and Chrono Trigger for like a decade because the anthology was so bad.
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Oct 27, 2020 00:52
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gba menus put those of just about every other system to shame, golden sun and the intelligent systems games move at lightspeed
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Oct 27, 2020 01:19
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I played Chrono Trigger to completion on that Anthology. No regrets. It wasn't ideal but my SNES was beyond saving by then
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Oct 27, 2020 01:23
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The Colonel posted:i think if there's one thing i wish psx jrpgs had, it's faster menus One of the only things I remember a out Xrnosaga was that it was the first game I played where opening the menu made me impatient. Like, it was some thing where metal panels slid in from the side of the screen (I think) and it felt like it took forever.
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Oct 27, 2020 03:49
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The Colonel posted:i think if there's one thing i wish psx jrpgs had, it's faster menus vagrant story is probably one of the worst for it, weapon swapping is a total chore
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Oct 27, 2020 05:27
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I got a few hours into Vagrant Story and stopped entirely because the weapon switching sucked so much rear end. It's baffling. There's ways to quickslot items and magic, but not weapons? When the game is practically designed around encouraging you to swap weapons depending on the situation?
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Oct 27, 2020 05:39
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that's why the pro lazy strat in vagrant story is to combine weapons with affinity grinded up on dummies so you just have +100 in everything on one weapon, and because your affinity is so high you can completely ignore the blunt/edged/piercing split
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Oct 27, 2020 05:49
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The Colonel posted:bofiv is fun but i wish fou lu's journey in the early going was not vastly more interesting than ryu's just because fou lu actually has a personality. the main party dynamic has that awkward silent protag thing going on for me where cray, nina and ershin are pretty alright but ryu's so just, kinda there, that i'd forget he exists if he didn't have cool dragon powers
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Oct 27, 2020 08:23
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Amppelix posted:i mean i think they actually took into account the fact that he doesn't participate much: Nina is more of the main character than Ryu is, and they don't expect him to carry scenes or anything. that's lame though!!! jrpg protags who can't participate in scenes are dull as hell and having a character who ends up just speaking as the lead in place of them only highlights their issues
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Oct 27, 2020 08:27
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The Colonel posted:that's lame though!!! jrpg protags who can't participate in scenes are dull as hell and having a character who ends up just speaking as the lead in place of them only highlights their issues Yeah, if you're com a do that, you might as well just make the protagonist a ghost that characters equip to be able to do the impossible things the story requires* like beating up demons in SMT or deal damage to Heartless or whatever. *I'm thinking of it like how Dragon ball Z Fighterz's story mode works, very few of the characters can access their full power because of plot radiation but when you possess them you can use more of it and level them up. It frees characters to still be characters and if you're willing to take that a bit further they could also do things like float around through walls as a scout or something.
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Oct 27, 2020 21:58
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Just let me play as the charismatic chick or whatever
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Oct 27, 2020 22:07
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DisDisDis posted:Just let me play as the charismatic chick or whatever idk why people think 'the female lead gets all the personality but the plot still hinges on the boring dude' is a defense
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Oct 27, 2020 22:50
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RareAcumen posted:Yeah, if you're com a do that, you might as well just make the protagonist a ghost that characters equip to be able to do the impossible things the story requires* like beating up demons in SMT or deal damage to Heartless or whatever. This sounds pretty Ar Nosurge to me.
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Oct 27, 2020 22:52
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Endorph posted:yeah lol It's a lot less common than it used to be, thankfully I feel like it was drat near every JRPG back in the PS2 era
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Oct 27, 2020 23:31
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tbh i think the ps2 is actually where you started getting the most interesting subversions or games pushing back on it, lots more games on the ps2 with ensemble casts, and either notable female leads or a pretty equal split between male and female characters in how core they are to the story, like wild arms 3, shadow hearts and ar tonelico 2. even ffx i think is a fair bit better about it than some people remember. weirdly i think the games from that era that actually were worst about it were tales of symphonia and tales of destiny 2, which... it's a thing that's attributed pretty often as a problem with earlier games in the series but i think the weird thing is that it's not even that common in tales games, it's just. insanely, a thing in a few games from around that period lol. it's funny that tales of eternia kind of shares a name with destiny 2 just cause of awkward us release fuckery but in actuality has an insanely well balanced cast in comparison despite coming out before it
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Oct 27, 2020 23:45
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reid is one of the least interesting party members in eternia and the girls outshine him but him being not that involved is actually a plotpoint and hes kind of funny, and he has an actual arc.
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Oct 27, 2020 23:48
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My perception of the PS2 era was probably influenced by obsessively playing every game gust put out, and all of their PS2 games either follow the bland male lead with charismatic female sidekick pattern, or just don't have anybody with charisma in the entire game
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Oct 27, 2020 23:48
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Atelier Viorate exists!!!
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Oct 27, 2020 23:50
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Endorph posted:Atelier Viorate exists!!! as do Lillie and Judie, and I'm sure someday I'll get hungry enough for Atelier content to learn kanji just to play them
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Oct 27, 2020 23:51
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cheetah7071 posted:as do Lillie and Judie, and I'm sure someday I'll get hungry enough for Atelier content to learn kanji just to play them tbh the psp version of viorate is better from what i remember
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Oct 27, 2020 23:52
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Viorate's lines in Nelke didn't inspire confidence in her as a character tbh, though being the last pre-Iris game I imagine it probably has better gameplay than the other two. Lillie is the one I'm most interested in, because I know Hermina and Ingrid get their origin story there, and they had a great dynamic in Elie
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Oct 27, 2020 23:56
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cheetah7071 posted:My perception of the PS2 era was probably influenced by obsessively playing every game gust put out, and all of their PS2 games either follow the bland male lead with charismatic female sidekick pattern, or just don't have anybody with charisma in the entire game imo croix in ar tonelico 2 is okay, he's got a fair amount of personality and he's not that critical to the plot by the end as much as he's just the person keeping the group together through his relationships with everyone, which works well enough given that he doesn't even really resolve the heroines' emotional arcs for them if you don't go for their endings, the game lets them resolve their stuff on their own which avoids the weird issue of making everything feel too reliant on croix. hell i'd go as far as saying that his relationship with jakuri in her ending is pretty decently written, compared to how uh, nothing lyner's dynamics with people really were in at1 The Colonel fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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Oct 27, 2020 23:58
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The Colonel posted:imo croix in ar tonelico 2 is okay, he's got a fair amount of personality and he's not that critical to the plot by the end as much as he's just the person keeping the group together through his relationships with everyone, which works well enough given that he doesn't even really resolve the heroines' emotional arcs for them if you don't go for their endings, the game lets them resolve their stuff on their own which avoids the weird issue of making everything feel too reliant on croix. hell i'd go as far as saying that his relationship with jakuri in her ending is pretty decently written, compared to how uh, nothing lyner's dynamics with people really were in at1 The Ar Tonelico dynamic is a bit weird because the two heroines have to be fully co-equal, which means neither can be a no-asterisk main character. There's ways around this--for example, they could have had Croix only be the main character for the intro, and once you meet both of them and make a route choice, you control them for the rest of the game, but I don't really mind it, except in the context of how many games followed that dynamic and this is just yet another in the pattern. I sort of file AT in the same category as FFX, which is to say, it has the dynamic but at least they do something with it and justify it. e: though honestly Tidus isn't no-charisma; he spends 2/3 of the game looking like an extraneous main character and then suddenly seizes the spotlight in the last third in an interesting way so it looks like it's this dynamic for the earlygame cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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Oct 28, 2020 00:08
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Endorph posted:Atelier Viorate exists!!! She was fun enough in [shudder] trinity universe
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Oct 28, 2020 00:32
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Lol I forgot that had Gust characters Time to dig out my copy
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Oct 28, 2020 00:34
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Nelke made it seem like Vio's only character trait was carrots Carrots CARROTS!!!! but that could have just been Nelke and not indicative of the original game
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Oct 28, 2020 00:35
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https://twitter.com/KurtBusiek/status/1321225211539156992 This is fairly amazing.
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Oct 28, 2020 00:37
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Sakurazuka posted:Lol I forgot that had Gust characters I played through both routes, I dunno what's wrong with me
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Oct 28, 2020 00:38
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