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Mozzie
Oct 26, 2007


Plus avid is an actual editing platform with an established production pipeline, unlike Premiere or Vegas or babies first editor or whatever.

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NINbuntu 64
Feb 10, 2007



Mozzie posted:

Plus avid is an actual editing platform with an established production pipeline, unlike Premiere or Vegas or babies first editor or whatever.

gently caress you, I'm too poor and hobbyish for Avid

echobucket
Aug 19, 2004


Apple released a FAQ about Final Cut Pro X.

Something else for people to argue about most likely.

http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/faq/

The Affair
Jun 26, 2005

I hate snakes, Jock. I hate 'em!



The gist seems to be "Not yet." At least they realize that there is growing dissatisfaction in their user base.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


Has anyone really dove into FCPX's interface? I'm using it on a small project right now and it is SUPER frustrating. I don't know how people can call this iMovie Pro - I would much rather be using iMovie!

The thing that confuses me is the whole "storyline" business. It looks like to get any kind of normal editing tools like ripple/roll you have to nest your clips in a storyline? How do I link multiple video/audio tracks into an existing storyline? Every time I try it just seems to displace things on the timeline.

And once I'm there, I'm still not sure how to toggle between slip/slide and ripple/roll.

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007



1st AD posted:

And once I'm there, I'm still not sure how to toggle between slip/slide and ripple/roll.

Pretty nice FCPX tutorials: http://www.izzyvideo.com/final-cut-pro-x-tutorial/

Section 8 should help you.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


Awesome, thanks!

Now for a different question - I have a client who wants content delivered over these: http://www.corndigital.com/products.../ceres-88v.html

Thing is, I don't have access to a good MP4 or WMV9 encoder, so I'm scratching my brain as to how to deliver footage. I could do MPEG-2, but I'm not sure what bitrates would be optimal for 720p footage. Anyone have any ideas here?

Family Values
Jun 26, 2007



Just use Handbrake to encode to MP4?

butterypancakes
Aug 19, 2006

mmm pancakes


QuickTime or x264 if you're feeling fancy to an h.264 MOV then use QT's MP4 with the "pass-through" option to make it an MP4.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


Should I limit the bitrate/frame size on the h.264 before doing the passthrough? According to the MPEG-4 wiki the L5 profile has a max bitrate of 8000 kbits/s at an SD resolution.

butterypancakes
Aug 19, 2006

mmm pancakes


The passthrough option will not re-encode the video, it just changes the container. Your settings should be made to spec when you make the MOV.

QuickTime h264 can't do anything higher than L 4.1. 8Mbps is lots of bandwidth, you could get away with less.

I often use a version of x264 that can be used like any other QT codec. As long as you start with the "component" preset and don't gently caress with anything other than the framerate, bitrate and maybe adding a gamma tag, it should play everywhere. You can definitely get yourself into trouble if you play around with all the settings. The results are faster than QT's h.264 and higher quality.

http://www003.upp.so-net.ne.jp/mycometg3/

mayodreams
Jul 4, 2003


Hello darkness,
my old friend


You can also try MPEGStream Clip which can change containers and re-encode as well.

http://www.squared5.com/

AIIAZNSK8ER
Dec 8, 2008


Where is your 24-70?

I'm using Canon HF200 and a Canon HV30 which I set to shoot at 24p. The HF200 is just drag and drop clips and I captured the HV30 footage over firewire. When I drop it into a premiere timeline, it's telling me that the clips are 29.97 fps? Is it really not recording at 24 fps?

bassguitarhero
Feb 29, 2008



I'm not too experienced with the Canon HV30 but my guess is that since it's mini DV and fairly cheap, it's probably recording at 29.97 or 60fps since doing a true 24p would mean puting in the gearing to run the miniDV tape at different speeds. It's most likely using pull-down to give you 24p while still recording at 30fps.

This sounds like it might be helpful http://eugenia.queru.com/2007/07/13...0-24p-pulldown/

butterypancakes
Aug 19, 2006

mmm pancakes


AIIAZNSK8ER posted:

I'm using Canon HF200 and a Canon HV30 which I set to shoot at 24p. The HF200 is just drag and drop clips and I captured the HV30 footage over firewire. When I drop it into a premiere timeline, it's telling me that the clips are 29.97 fps? Is it really not recording at 24 fps?

There should be a capture preset for HDV 24, it will remove the pulldown on capture. Are you sure you shot HDV, not DV? I guess I've never had a problem with FCP recognizing the correct frame rate when capturing HDV.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


The HV30's implementation of 24p is really atrocious and you shouldn't use it, and there are no flags set on the tape that tell your NLE what fields to throw away either. Not the same at all as the 24f mode on the XHA1.

1st AD fucked around with this message at Jul 11, 2011 around 15:47

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.


The Canon HV20 and 30 store 24p in a 60i transport stream so you need to remove pulldown to get the 24p video. Because Canon doesn't have certain flags set, many NLE cannot automatically remove pulldown. For example I use Sony Vegas Pro and it cannot do it. However, Cineform can remove pulldown, Cineform Neo and Neoscene can do this. Plus you get Cineform intermediate codecs to work with. So for me its HV20 HDV capture to Cineform to Vegas for my cheesy hobbyist workflow. Also I just got a Blackmagic Hyperdeck Shuttle and a OCZ Vertex 3 SSd to attach to the Canon for direct full 1080P capture in uncompressed pixel perfect format.

bassguitarhero
Feb 29, 2008



Anyone have Compressor 4 and figure out how to put on JUST an H264 conversion? Compressor 3.5 had a great H264 for intranets/LAN preset but I have Compressor 3 & 4 at home, neither of which has that. I'd be happy sticking with 4 and just dropping on an H264 preset then changing it, but they removed the regular H264 preset as well. Right now I'm going to 4 to convert to PreRes 4444 for stuff out of after effects, then switching back to 3 to export to H264 to send to client. Ridonculous.

AIIAZNSK8ER
Dec 8, 2008


Where is your 24-70?

Ok, cool, well that's a little annoying. I was hoping to mix stuff from my D90 and camcorders and thought it would be easier than this. I'm really starting to feel for you video guys.

AIIAZNSK8ER fucked around with this message at Jul 11, 2011 around 21:14

butterypancakes
Aug 19, 2006

mmm pancakes


1st AD posted:

The HV30's implementation of 24p is really atrocious and you shouldn't use it, and there are no flags set on the tape that tell your NLE what fields to throw away either. Not the same at all as the 24f mode on the XHA1.

Good to know. My HDV experience is almost all XHA1s, so that was my line of thought.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


bassguitarhero posted:

Anyone have Compressor 4 and figure out how to put on JUST an H264 conversion? Compressor 3.5 had a great H264 for intranets/LAN preset but I have Compressor 3 & 4 at home, neither of which has that. I'd be happy sticking with 4 and just dropping on an H264 preset then changing it, but they removed the regular H264 preset as well. Right now I'm going to 4 to convert to PreRes 4444 for stuff out of after effects, then switching back to 3 to export to H264 to send to client. Ridonculous.

I just copied the settings from Compressor 3.5 as best I could: http://www.2shared.com/file/7P9y3cI...LANsetting.html

Just unzip, then drag and drop into your custom settings bin.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


AIIAZNSK8ER posted:

Ok, cool, well that's a little annoying. I was hoping to mix stuff from my D90 and camcorders and thought it would be easier than this. I'm really starting to feel for you video guys.

If you have After Effects you can remove the pulldown correctly without any extra plugins: http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?...val-Easy-as-PIE!!

bassguitarhero
Feb 29, 2008



1st AD posted:

I just copied the settings from Compressor 3.5 as best I could: http://www.2shared.com/file/7P9y3cI...LANsetting.html

Just unzip, then drag and drop into your custom settings bin.

Thanks, I appreciate it! It was annoying that they dropped so many settings, I've got to send things out in a number of different formats for different clients. This is a great starting point, altho I'm hard-pressed to tell on how exactly Compressor 4 is supposed to be better than 3 or 3.5.

Gunjin
Apr 27, 2004

Om nom nom

bassguitarhero posted:

I'm hard-pressed to tell on how exactly Compressor 4 is supposed to be better than 3 or 3.5.

Everything I've read indicates that it really isn't. The fact that you have to copy all the presets from earlier versions is really annoying, and I don't understand what they were going for with that.

Gunjin fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2011 around 03:28

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


Huh, apparently Compressor 4 will open Compressor 3.5 projects and render them. Not sure why you would want to do this since there's apparently no difference in performance between the two, but there you go.

butterypancakes
Aug 19, 2006

mmm pancakes


The way I understood it was that Compressor 4 is the bridge between FCPX's AV Foundation underpinnings and QT Kit, which lets you use all the codecs you're used to. So, most of the functionality is probably the exact same.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


This really isn't a tech or workflow question, but at the moment I'm stumped and I'm hoping I can get some ideas here: I'm supposed to edit a half hour mini-documentary for a corporate client that is basically about a road trip across America where artists are interviewed. It seems pretty straightforward, but after diving through 1tb of DSLR footage I find that there are:

-Almost no establishing shots of any locations that were visited
-Very little in the way of usable b-roll. Most shots suffer from horrendous rolling shutter issues or just plain not in focus

I don't really know how to tie anything together since I have next to nothing besides interviews and more interviews. I was thinking of maybe hiring an After Effects person to create an animated driving map, but that only goes so far. Should I look into buying stock footage for this?

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

1st AD posted:

Should I look into buying stock footage for this?

Yep.

If you need to pitch it to the client, explain that it would cost less to buy stock than to build in the extra hours needed to untangle the horrible mess left by production.

unless you were responsible for said mess in which case you eat the cost of the stock

also, if you can get releases, get lots of stills of the artwork in question and stretch that poo poo ken burns style

Dr. Fishopolis fucked around with this message at Jul 20, 2011 around 01:10

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


If I was responsible for that poo poo I'd just kill myself, all the footage looks like it was shot on an 85mm lens and there's like zero sense of location in any of the shots, everything was shot at the highest ISO possible (hooray noise in daylight shots!), and the aforementioned rolling shutter and focus problems.

I didn't consider the stills of the artwork though - releases were signed by everyone interviewed, so I'm pretty sure I can get those.

Kabz
Jul 29, 2004



So now Avid and Premiere are offering 50% off discounts.

For anyone thinking they can transition into Avid easily, think again.

I am tempted to buy it, since I love editing on Avid, but all my jobs have been using FCP lately.

The reverse compatibility issue is my biggest pet peeve, I'm confident they are smart enough to listen to the complaints and fix the other changes accordingly, but I'm not sure the compatibility with older versions is going to be one of those fixes.

Gunjin
Apr 27, 2004

Om nom nom

I'll second the Ken Burns effect idea, in my experience corporate clients love it.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


I just got my 3.4ghz i7 iMac set up and oh my god is it fast. It ingests AVCHD/h.264 in FCP7 roughly as fast as the Nehalem-based Mac Pros I've worked with. I'm sure the current 12-core Mac Pros would spank the poo poo out of this iMac, but it is still a nice upgrade for me.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


http://imgur.com/7SiqC

Anybody have any idea what's going on here? I've had random glitches due to Lion + the Radeon 6970 2gb card, could this be why Color fails to display a proper proxy image here?

KasioDiscoRock
Nov 17, 2000

Are you alive?

I'm a sound editor currently working on a new demo reel and am extremely indecisive about what should be on it since I've seen everything so many times. I know the 4 shows/shorts that I would like to include, but I can't figure out which clips are the best.

I would greatly appreciate any feedback at all, particularly which clip is best for each show (in terms of sound effects/dialogue and even just general interest as people won't want to watch it if it's boring). Even overall which clip you find the "best" so I can put that one first, or clips that you think definitely shouldn't be included. Obviously the in and out edit points are still rough, but the overall context of each clip is still there.

I know it looks like a lot of clips, but they're only about a minute each.
Thank you, any help is very much appreciated!

Furstenau Mysteries (overall sound):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ1fN0FpHFk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ezuhPuHRN8

Gina (overall sound):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p933t6g_l5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgaAPXptnX4 (note, this one was entirely MOS/silent when I started)

Connor Undercover (ADR, Voice over and dialogue ONLY):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoE5EkXBcus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LrELX36IME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nDWpNJIYz0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dptA8haYd9Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp85gXR9fro (entire scene is ADR)

Dating Guy (sound effects and dialogue):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRKQmaqwwDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzHHEM6Y7C4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JYX_11nCxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE0Skd3H7NM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1xJB4M0UjM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cECbhZUCV6k (this one is unmixed, so it's not the final sound and there's no music, but I find it really funny so I kinda want to include it anyway)

mayodreams
Jul 4, 2003


Hello darkness,
my old friend


1st AD posted:

http://imgur.com/7SiqC

Anybody have any idea what's going on here? I've had random glitches due to Lion + the Radeon 6970 2gb card, could this be why Color fails to display a proper proxy image here?

There are a lot of reports of graphical issues on Lion, especially with ATI graphics, so most likely that is the culprit.

butterypancakes
Aug 19, 2006

mmm pancakes


1st AD posted:

http://imgur.com/7SiqC

Anybody have any idea what's going on here? I've had random glitches due to Lion + the Radeon 6970 2gb card, could this be why Color fails to display a proper proxy image here?

What format you working in? I have also heard about random graphics issues in Lion.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


ProRes LT.

Fortunately I have another computer that is still on Snow Leopard so I'll use that to grade the footage, but it's pretty annoying that Apple would ship a major OS release with some obvious problems that affect a huge portion of their user base.

butterypancakes
Aug 19, 2006

mmm pancakes


1st AD posted:

It's pretty annoying that Apple would ship a major OS release with some obvious problems that affect a huge portion of their user base.

It happens. I think you mentioned buying a new Mac, that probably had 10.7, but otherwise get used to waiting a long time to upgrade your OS. Avid actually got their update out really quick this time... yesterday I think.

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.


Yeah, what sucks is my friend bought his like 2 weeks before I did and I ended up with a machine shipping with Lion

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AIIAZNSK8ER
Dec 8, 2008


Where is your 24-70?

Any recommendations for royalty free music for corporate videos? I need some instrumentals to go along with footage of heavy machinery operation.
I've been looking around and I like the stuff on Pond5.com, but wanted to see if you guys had any favorite libraries.

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