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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:27" 1440p 240hz QD-OLED from MSI for $489: https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-273qp-qd-oled-x24-27-qhd-240-hz-metallic-black/p/N82E16824475477 Do those also suffer from the text fringing so often discussed on Reddit?
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Yeah, all OLEDs will have color fringing on text to some extent. I've only used the 32" 4K QD-OLED panel, but I honestly almost never notice the fringing in practice. It will probably be a little bit more noticeable on the 27" 1440p panels, but it doesn't seem to be a big deal for most users.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Yeah, all OLEDs will have color fringing on text to some extent. I've only used the 32" 4K QD-OLED panel, but I honestly almost never notice the fringing in practice. It will probably be a little bit more noticeable on the 27" 1440p panels, but it doesn't seem to be a big deal for most users. Do Macs have the issue as well, or is it specific to Windows?
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macs don't use subpixel font rendering so they sidestep the issue of OLEDs having weird subpixel layouts, but the fact that macs don't use subpixel font rendering means they need a high pixel density for text to look good, so 1440p 27" will still look bad just for different reasons either way going for a 4K 27" instead mitigates the problems by throwing more pixels at it, but those monitors are quite a bit more expensive repiv fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jul 8, 2025 |
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I think text on my QD-OLED looks fine, on mac and windows, like it’s not as good as the IPS next to it but it’s not substantially worse either. I still use text editors on it and it’s fine.
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Ynglaur posted:Do those also suffer from the text fringing so often discussed on Reddit? I have a 271QRX (1440p 360hz) and don't notice any at the desktop in Windows unless I get real close and look for it. It's something I was worried about before I got the monitor (because I have spotted it on other, lower-quality panels previously) but it turned out to be a non-issue.
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UHD posted:I think text on my QD-OLED looks fine, on mac and windows, like it’s not as good as the IPS next to it but it’s not substantially worse either. I still use text editors on it and it’s fine. I feel the same as this poster. I'm very particular about things (honestly we all probably are) and returned new headphones recently for a barely barely audible white noise when no audio was being delivered, but the text on my 4k 32" QD-OLEDs is fine for me. I don't know if it would be my first choice if I was a WFH office person.
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Thanks for the feedback, everyone! I’ll probably just wait for 4k OLEDs to get more affordable, then. I’d really like a 4k ultra wide (8k?) but those are not yet produced and it’s not like GPUs can drive them yet anyways, at least for games.
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Ynglaur posted:Thanks for the feedback, everyone! I’ll probably just wait for 4k OLEDs to get more affordable, then. I’d really like a 4k ultra wide (8k?) but those are not yet produced and it’s not like GPUs can drive them yet anyways, at least for games. I'm using an IPS-Black 4k ultra-wide and it's amazing for WFH. It's not one of the double wide types but the standard ratio so it's more like 5k wide https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-40-curved-thunderbolt-hub-monitor-u4025qw/apd/210-bmdp/monitors-monitor-accessories
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Yeah, all OLEDs will have color fringing on text to some extent. I've only used the 32" 4K QD-OLED panel, but I honestly almost never notice the fringing in practice. It will probably be a little bit more noticeable on the 27" 1440p panels, but it doesn't seem to be a big deal for most users. I have the Alienware 32" 4K QD-OLED (presumably the same panel you are referencing) and I noticed the text fringing initially but it's one of those things you just kind of get used to after a bit and stop seeing. When I got my glasses everything looked like it had a purple fringe for a while and then the thinkmeat compensated and I stopped seeing it. Same with whatever goes on with text rendering on this monitor.
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OLED can be beautiful for gaming and media but seems not the best for work use maybe? Has anyone tried one of the newer tandem OLEDs? They are supposed to fix some of these shortcomings. I'm about to place orders for review/test laptops from Dell and HP which have them as an option but unsure if it's worth trying.
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buffbus posted:OLED can be beautiful for gaming and media but seems not the best for work use maybe? Has anyone tried one of the newer tandem OLEDs? They are supposed to fix some of these shortcomings. I'm about to place orders for review/test laptops from Dell and HP which have them as an option but unsure if it's worth trying. I have a hard time imagining being satisfied with the OLED experience on a laptop, but as a person with a desktop PC you couldn't pay me enough to watch a movie or play a game on a laptop. I suspect the higher PPI on a properly spec'd laptop OLED panel would overcome a lot of the fringing issues. Are you comfortable disclosing where you review? Curious to check it out.
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buffbus posted:OLED can be beautiful for gaming and media but seems not the best for work use maybe? Has anyone tried one of the newer tandem OLEDs? They are supposed to fix some of these shortcomings. I'm about to place orders for review/test laptops from Dell and HP which have them as an option but unsure if it's worth trying. The new "Primary RGB Tandem OLED" panels from LG Display are not very different structurally from the previous LG OLED panels, which were all "tandem" too. The main differences are that they added a fourth layer of OLED material (on top of the three that were already there) and they changed the subpixel from RWBG to RGWB. They also removed the MLA layer I guess because they don't need it anymore? In any case, I've heard that text clarity is better on these new panels, but they're still OLED panels with a weird white subpixel thrown in there, so subpixel rendering is gonna be a bit off still. The 27" 4K panels apparently look pretty close to IPS in terms of text clarity, but so do the new 27" 4K QD-OLEDs.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:The new "Primary RGB Tandem OLED" panels from LG Display are not very different structurally from the previous LG OLED panels, which were all "tandem" too. The main differences are that they added a fourth layer of OLED material (on top of the three that were already there) and they changed the subpixel from RWBG to RGWB. They also removed the MLA layer I guess because they don't need it anymore? In any case, I've heard that text clarity is better on these new panels, but they're still OLED panels with a weird white subpixel thrown in there, so subpixel rendering is gonna be a bit off still. The 27" 4K panels apparently look pretty close to IPS in terms of text clarity, but so do the new 27" 4K QD-OLEDs. Thank you. I'll adjust my expectations.
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VB - Bruere posted:I have a hard time imagining being satisfied with the OLED experience on a laptop, but as a person with a desktop PC you couldn't pay me enough to watch a movie or play a game on a laptop. I suspect the higher PPI on a properly spec'd laptop OLED panel would overcome a lot of the fringing issues. Are you comfortable disclosing where you review? Curious to check it out. I have a 16" Asus ROG Zephyrus G16 and (2560 x 1600) the screen is pretty fantastic. Not tandem OLED but reading and writing text is absolutely fine, I've written hundreds of thousands of words on it without noticing any fringing.
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VB - Bruere posted:I have a hard time imagining being satisfied with the OLED experience on a laptop, but as a person with a desktop PC you couldn't pay me enough to watch a movie or play a game on a laptop. I suspect the higher PPI on a properly spec'd laptop OLED panel would overcome a lot of the fringing issues. Are you comfortable disclosing where you review? Curious to check it out. I don't review for a public site. One of my roles is defining PC hardware specs for internal use at a megacorp.
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buffbus posted:I don't review for a public site. One of my roles is defining PC hardware specs for internal use at a megacorp. In that case, I'll add that we use 16" HP ZBook mobile workstations at my office with 4K OLED screens and they're similarly nice to look at. Everyone uses their laptop display in addition to two external 4K monitors and there haven't been any complaints. OLED screens are in a good place for laptops at the moment.
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chutwig posted:I have the Alienware 32" 4K QD-OLED (presumably the same panel you are referencing) and I noticed the text fringing initially but it's one of those things you just kind of get used to after a bit and stop seeing. When I got my glasses everything looked like it had a purple fringe for a while and then the thinkmeat compensated and I stopped seeing it. Same with whatever goes on with text rendering on this monitor. How do you like that monitor? I was about to buy it this morning but I wanted to check out what you guys in the thread think first. I have 2 4k displays and a 1440p and I wanna get rid of the 1440 for a 4k and oled looks so good. Just an in general oled question. I usually leave my monitors on all the time. That wont be an issue with burn in as long as I keep a screen saver or something going?
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Fallows posted:Just an in general oled question. I usually leave my monitors on all the time. That wont be an issue with burn in as long as I keep a screen saver or something going? I have mine set to go to a blank screen saver after 5 minutes and drop to standby after 10 or 15. I'm pretty sure as long as you're not running static content 24/7 and you're letting the panel refresh cycles do their thing regularly, you'll be fine. QD-OLED panels will prompt for a panel refresh cycle after 4 hours of use. Some folks find this very annoying, so be aware. While the cycle is running, the display will go blank for a few minutes, but the display signal will remain active and it won't mess with your window positions or anything if you've got a multi-monitor setup. Behavior varies by manufacturer, but if you dismiss or let the notification time out, it'll eventually force a refresh cycle after 16 hours of use or after it's been in standby for some period of time. I think recent MSI firmware updates have pushed this out to 24 hours. I believe most manufacturers will let you disable the 4-hour prompt and just use the 16-hour if you're planning on a long session of something competitive or something. I'll generally just dismiss the 4-hour cycle it if I'm in the middle of a game or something and run one manually when I stand up to take a break. Otherwise I'll just swap over to my second monitor for a few minutes while it does it's thing.
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Helter Skelter posted:I have mine set to go to a blank screen saver after 5 minutes and drop to standby after 10 or 15. I'm pretty sure as long as you're not running static content 24/7 and you're letting the panel refresh cycles do their thing regularly, you'll be fine. I did not know any of this. That does seem kind of annoying, I need to look into how the alienware monitor handles that now. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
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i just set the timer to 24 hrs and manually start a refresh cycle whenever i'm getting up for a minute or two, it's a hassle but not a particularly onerous one. i also have rotating wallpapers (both macos and windows can do it, i dunno about linux) and a screensaver on mac because they're cool and i miss those. can't find a toaster one that works in sequoia tho.
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I’ll be upfront, this post is basically half rationalizing. I have an XB271HU bmiprz (purchased in 2017) and it’s been an excellent monitor. I’m still overall pretty happy with it but there’s a few things making me considering upgrading. The first and truthfully minor one is that it has a minor blemish now, but it’s not really that visible except on static, solid, bright backgrounds. I do know it’s there and it haunts me however. The other more relevant thing is that I’d like to escape vendor lock before the next time I’m itching for a gpu upgrade. I’ve hit maybe two? Titles where I felt like I wanted better out of my card: Alan Wake 2 (which got a perf improving patch after I had beaten it, but at least the dlc was a better experience) and monster hunter wilds (lmao), but they both started proving to be a lot for my 3070ti. I don’t play a huge number of AAA games but I’m thinking next year I’ll start seeing more titles like this. Anyhow, any option I upgrade to I would want to be a nice bump in quality, rather than just replacing equivalent performance. So the options I’ve landed on are: 27” 1440p OLED 34” ultrawide 1440p, lcd or oled With ultrawide oled being the one I’m most seriously considering. I know this is gonna shorten my gpus lifespan, but I can hopefully make do. I’m a little concerned about OLED burn in longevity. Like even though my current monitor is 8 years of a lot of usage, it is still kicking perfect fine and probably will work perfectly fine until the backlight dies god knows when. And while I don’t do work on my personal computer, even when I work from home, I’d say my usage is still pretty mixed with desktop apps (browsing, YouTube, movies, etc) so I’ll be racking up plenty of hours of taskbars and window frames etc. I’m also a little concerned about text clarity, but other than that OLED is very appealing to me. A few models I’ve been looking at that also seem to be on sale right now: AW3425DW (680 USD) - people seem to really love this one. I’ve heard the new stand is a bit lovely stability wise which is disappointing to hear, and I’ve heard it really intrusively tries to download the Alienware control center which I’m a bit wary of, I really hate poo poo like that. MO34WQC2 (670 USD) - honestly I kinda struggle to find people compare this to the Alienware, but it seems pretty similarly specced to me? There’s a Samsung odyssey one that’s 800 dollars but I can’t find anything about what makes it +100 over the other models I considered the LG model pretty heavily but 800R just strikes me as too aggressive, I’ve used the more gently curvature before because mt brother has an older Alienware ultrawide 240hz is a nice bonus, but honestly I found the jump above 60 to be huge and, the stuff beyond 120/144 to be pretty minor. Also it kind of seems like most oleds lean to glossy finishes? It’s not usually an issue with the shades and curtains down but my monitor does face a window behind my seat and I think the xb271hu bmiprz is a matte finish so it’s been a long time since I’ve used something glossy like that. Also is there anything to be concerned with in modern vrr implementations? I’ve seen things about OLED flickering. That was a good but of rambling but any insight is appreciated
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I feel like the answer to this is going to be "just buy the cheapest monitor you can find!" but I'll ask anyway. So I currently have an iMac Pro and I have a secondary monitor is literally this 17" Dell that I've had since 2004. But now It's starting to die and flicker after 21 years of use. Anyway... I want a replacement, but I really just need something small that connects with USB-C to the iMac Pro and small that will fit on my desk. I literally use it for my Premiere Bins/Panels and that's it. But everything I see is too big. Like even a 22" monitor won't fit on my desk really width wise Is there anything super cheap and USB-C that will rotate vertically?
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have a look at portable monitors, there's tons of them in the 15-18 inch range and most of them support usb-c e.g. https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Monitor-Upgraded-1920X1080-Computer/dp/B07TWGBG3P there are more expensive ones with higher resolutions and refresh rates but that sounds overkill for your use-case repiv fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jul 10, 2025 |
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alternatively if you have an ipad you could just use that https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102597
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RME posted:I’ll be upfront, this post is basically half rationalizing. I have an XB271HU bmiprz (purchased in 2017) and it’s been an excellent monitor. I’m still overall pretty happy with it but there’s a few things making me considering upgrading. The first and truthfully minor one is that it has a minor blemish now, but it’s not really that visible except on static, solid, bright backgrounds. I do know it’s there and it haunts me however. All the non-LG 34" ultrawide OLEDs use the same panel, which is pretty old and uses a pixel layout that a lot of people find has text clarity problems, which might affect your non-game usage. (The LGs do too, is my understanding, just not based on the same panel). Samsung is working on a new 34" UW OLED panel that'll probably significantly improve on this, and it sounds like it's going to come out in the next ~year, so might consider waiting for that if you can stand the blemish.
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UHD posted:i just set the timer to 24 hrs and manually start a refresh cycle whenever i'm getting up for a minute or two, it's a hassle but not a particularly onerous one. i also have rotating wallpapers (both macos and windows can do it, i dunno about linux) and a screensaver on mac because they're cool and i miss those. can't find a toaster one that works in sequoia tho. I see a lot of the companies have made the pixel refresh less obtrusive due to back lash from what I've read so far so that's good. Some of the earlier posts people are down right fuming about it!
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Fallows posted:I did not know any of this. That does seem kind of annoying, I need to look into how the alienware monitor handles that now. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have an AW3225QF, it does not prompt after 4 hours. It just runs the refresh automatically when the display is sleeping after it's been on for four hours straight. Typically this means I'll go to the bathroom and when I wake it up when I get back it'll say I've interrupted the refresh cycle and give me a prompt to either finish it or to cancel it.
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I don't even have my AW32 go to standby. I just run it at the end of the night when I turn my PC off before bed. I pretty much treat it like any other monitor I've ever had and it's been fine. I do hide the taskbar on it though and I only game and do Internet stuff, no work .
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Kalman posted:All the non-LG 34" ultrawide OLEDs use the same panel, which is pretty old and uses a pixel layout that a lot of people find has text clarity problems, which might affect your non-game usage. (The LGs do too, is my understanding, just not based on the same panel). Samsung is working on a new 34" UW OLED panel that'll probably significantly improve on this, and it sounds like it's going to come out in the next ~year, so might consider waiting for that if you can stand the blemish. That’s pretty good to know. I guess there’s no an easy way to know what they’d likely be priced at compared to current offerings?
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