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Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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I'm trying to pick out a monitor as an incentive to start saving so I can afford it if a sale pops up/black Friday happens. I do artsy poo poo so color accuracy is important(I use a TV as my desktop monitor so this means I have to do all art stuff on my tiny much less powerful macbook), and I have fairly lovely eyesight/play a lot of videogames so I want big. There seems to be a huge jump in price going anywhere above 27" so I thought either an IPS or TN at that size could work if I got a good deal. Is the image/color quality enough better on an IPS to justify the higher price, or would a TN be alright?

EDIT: I'm loving dumb and totally mixed up TN and MVA/PVA, which I guess is the one I'd actually want for art poo poo at a lower cost.

Wowporn fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Sep 11, 2013

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Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Thanks for the reminder, I'm planning on just getting the monitor and doing the free/lovely calibration at first then getting a Huey pro once my bank account bounces back.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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movax posted:

I just got in my Monoprice Zero-G 27" display...bought it for myself to use at work because it was cheap. Glossier than I expected, but for the price...no dead pixels, pretty meh stand (no height adjustment :argh:), and otherwise decent. Really wish it had DisplayPort though...Lenovo sucks horribly and the DVI ports on the docking station don't do dual-link.

Would that monoprice be a suitable alternative to one of the 27" Korean monitors? For whatever reason they seem less intimidating, I like Monoprice and I know they have deals around the holidays.

Also would I have trouble running a 1440p monitor at native resolution with a 1gb radeon 7850? I'm not worried about games since I can turn settings down until I can also get a new card (I'm optimistic for the r9 280x) but I just want to make sure it can even do it at all, I couldn't find a supported resolution list online.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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So green sum has this qnix, matte screen and perfect pixel for $320. Is this the best deal on a 27" 1440p monitor at the moment? Or is there some drawback that I'm missing?

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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veedubfreak posted:

For an extra hundred you can get a dell u2713hm from the outlet.

I am already springing pretty hardcore in relation to my paycheck for this thing, so "an extra hundred" is no small statement.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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I like the discussion on this page because it makes me feel better about waffling on getting a Qnix and going with a 24" 1080 something instead, since I don't have the money for a GPU to really do well with it, and have so many other things I could spend the additional money on.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Is there a clear size cutoff where 1080p starts looking like poo poo? I figure it's somewhere between 24" and 27" since there aren't many monitors in between those two, and the majority of actually-bought-by-nerds monitors are 1080 for the former and 1440 for the ladder. I'm too stupid to remember the formula to figure out what the dpi would be on them.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:

96PPI and above is where things look good. To calculate PPI

√([horizontal pixels]2 + [vertical pixels]2)/[screen diagonal]

There's also http://pixeldensitycalculator.com/

Thanks, rear end in a top hat. A 24" vanilla flavored HD is like 91, which I'm sure I can put up with. It's surprising that just 3" bigger and it shoots down to 81.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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So after actually looking at/using monitors in person I decided a 24" 1920x1200 IPS was a good compromise between my 'cheap' and 'expensive' options. My local Microcenter has these Aurias in stock, they seem pretty nice and I like that I can pick one up in person; I'm wondering though if that curved bezel is going to drive me insane or not. The other option would be this Asus which is the same specs and same price, only differences are the brand and needing to have it delivered. Is one way better than the other?

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Check the reviews of even a fancy new $$$ monitor, at least several will mention "stand is kinda cheap, moves back and forth like old timey water-drinking-bird statuette when I breathe". Get a lazy susan maybe???

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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27" monitors aren't that expensive if they're still 1080p. But anyways, I actually just picked up the 24" s series since they had it really cheap on sale at a local Best Buy and I like it a lot, it's a huge upgrade from the TV I was using as a monitor. The colors and contrast are really good, meeting the weird 'faux IPS' thing they've got goin' on. It was next to a couple hp/viewsonic ips monitors on the shelf and it looked good in comparison. The bezel is really small which I like, the buttons are capacitive which I'm indifferent on, the only downside is that it's really really reflective. It doesn't bother me since you can only tell when the screen is mostly black/white without anything happening, and if you're use to using imacs it's not much more than those.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Papercut posted:

Why do you say this? I have a GTX 560 Ti, which says it has dual link DVI and a max digital resolution of 2560x1600. I wouldn't think that would count as a shitload of video card, but am I missing something?

You need twice the performance to get the same settings/framerate at 1440p as you do at 1080p.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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That dell isn't 1440p.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Cheap Shot posted:

I'm a graphic artist and I need a new screen because my current 25" one isn't IPS (No idea how light/dark my drawings are and not a very good range of colour). I've been hearing about Dell Ultrasharps non-stop lately but it seems they're all anti-glare. Or at least all the ones I've seen. My current screen is anti-glare and after using it for a year I hate it. I'd like to go back to glossy if I can.

Can someone reccomend me something in the 24-27" range?
Artist / Heavily into gaming / strongly prefers glossy

Take a look at the Dell S series. They're not quite as nice as the ultrasharps, but I use it for the same things you do and I like it a lot(I got the 24") and they're cheaper too. It's ultra glossy and the colors look nice and hella more accurate than the thing I wss using before. The adds say it's IPS but its not, it's whatever that in between TA and IPS is called. Also also it's super thin and has a small bezel.

The thing Christoff linked was one, but the 27" model which I wouldn't recommend since it's not high enough resolution for that size.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Belasarius posted:

Anyone know of a good comparison of various 120hz models? OP has one and it is an asus. gently caress asus.

I'm sure your feelings are extremely reasonable and have data rather than anecdotes behind them.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Rakins posted:

Does anyone make a glossy IPS? I feel like those two won't ever be together

Lblitzer posted:

I just bought myself the Dell S2340m last night and I like it a lot. I've got it next to my old Acer S231HL and it's weird looking at one then switching to the other, but I'm hoping to get another Dell to replace that one soon. I'm a big fan of glossy screens and the color quality is amazing compared to my Acer.

I'm a broken record and will say again that that yeah the Dell S series fills a nice role as an affordable glossy screen monitor with a near IPS quality screen, so I'd recommend that.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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dissss posted:

There are still a few reasons to go with the Ultrasharp instead:
- AG coating (+ or - depending on preference)
- DisplayPort (only an advantage if you need it)
- Better stand
- USB hub


Zorilla posted:

Also, no external power brick. The S2240M has a DC jack instead of an IEC power connector.

I guess none of that seemed worth the price difference to me (to be honest the stand is the only thing on that list that feels noteworthy, and even then it's not bad just not as good as the ultrasharps). Especially with the 24" models, the u24 is around $100 more than the s24, although in that case there is also the extra 120 pixels.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Eddain posted:

In the market for a 27" and I'm currently considering the Dell S2740L or the U2711. Is the U2711 worth 3x the cost of the S2740L?

Mostly yes, because the s2740L is only 1080p (which doesn't look great on a 27" monitor), and the u2711 is 1440p. Also is there a reason you're looking specifically at the u2711 and not the u2712 or u2713?

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Petite Dinklage posted:

Anyone have any input on this monitor: Dell S2340M?

I have the 24" version and I like it a lot. The gloss might bug you if you absolutely hate it; it feels similar to an imac display, so if you don't mind those it'll be tolerable. I was afraid it would bug me too but colors n poo poo look real good.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Zero VGS posted:

The S series have VGA and DVI-D plugs only, and are 1080p @ 60hz and glossy. Ultrasharps have HDMI, Displayport, USB stuff, matte screens, stands that articulate more, and other small bells/whistles. They can be 1440p and other stuff.

If you're just upgrading out of an ancient TN, the 21.5 or the 23 inch Dell S series will blow you away. I've been getting the 21.5 to replace all the failing monitors at work and have been nabbing them for $90-120

Weirdly the S series have different inputs on different sizes. The 24" has HDMI and VGA only, which was a strange decision; it kinda depends on what you have and if it's a big enough deal to steer you towards something else. Also you'd have to go with the U's if you want 16:10. That was really the only thing I cared about when looking back and forth between the s24## and the u2412 but it wasn't a big enough deal to be worth the additional $100+.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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KingEup posted:

That would be the perfect monitor and too much to expect from this stupid industry.

You can't fault anyone for not doing it considering like 6 people would actually buy one.

Anyways, only kind of related to monitors but is there a name for a small shelf/drawer thing that goes on your desk that you can put a monitor on top of? I got tired of looking down so far since I'm tall and my desk isn't, but I'm just using a box I had laying around and was wondering if there was a less ghetto solution. I know a lot of desks come with something like that built in but I don't want an entirely new desk, just a new whatever the gently caress that would be called.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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I guess when I think 'Monitor Stand' I think of like Vesa mounts and stuff like that, or things that are basically just a mini table and I wanted something a little more functional than that but couldn't think of a specific name for that type of thing.

Don Lapre posted:

A hutch? a book?

A rabbit hutch would be pretty cool imo.

peepsalot posted:

I've got just the thing


I was doing that at the last place I lived, but I no longer have those textbooks and would like something a bit more substantial; it's on a shoebox right now and that combined with my cat that likes to rub up against expensive things seems like a bad sandwich.

I think this is the closest to what I want that I could find.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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So why did TV's skip 1440p totally? Was it too small of a jump (hah) for the average person to notice?

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Nephilm posted:

Buying monitors in Mexico is hard.

Currently on a Benq V2400W (24" 1920x1200 TN) that I managed to hunt down around 5 years ago and thought was a good purchase, but I've been waiting for affordable LED backlit IPS monitors for a while. New year, so time to upgrade I think.

Locally, I'm seeing a Viewsonic VX2370SMH-LED for 229 USD and a Dell S2440L for 275 USD. Thoughts on either? I considered Amazon but unless there's a very good sale, between shipping and customs it's even more expensive :shobon:, but I'm open to suggestions. For general use and PC gaming (and plugging in a PS3 every so often).

I have an s2440l and I like it a lot, although $275 is a bit much to pay for it (got mine on sale for $200), but I guess if you're that limited it's not a horrible price to pay, just a much less good one.

Don Lapre posted:

There is an aoc 27" IPS they sell at best buy for 250-300 that can apparently overclock to 90-100hz

Yeah but that's a 27" 1080p. I guess if there really aren't any other IPS monitors that can do over 60hz you could go with it anyway and just sit a foot further away to make up for the lower ppi.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Beware that for people picky enough to post here 1080p isn't enough resolution for a 27" monitor, which is why all the recommended 27" monitors are 1440p. Regardless of that, I would be really annoyed by the huge bezel on the HP, but would probably go with it anyway for the sake of the IPS-ity.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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FrenzyTheKillbot posted:

Hey guys, a monitor is the last thing I need for my new build. I found a daily deal for a Dell E2414H for $160. I noticed the Dell Ultrasharps are highly recommended, but I wasn't sure about this one. I like the price, but would prefer if someone could confirm that that's a good deal.

It's a TN panel, so don't get it. The Ultrasharps are way better, an you should get one of those instead if you can. But, if you don't like the price hike, go for the S series instead. I have an s2440l, it's some VA pseudo IPS whatnot, but still looks really nice; I was apprehensive of how glossy it was but the gloss makes the colors looks real nice 'n pop-y. You can get one on Amazon for like $180. Or if you want real deal IPS you can get that 24" ASUS whatever it's called for around $230.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Flux is great if you want it to look like you're running loving steampunk linux or something

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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You might be able to find an adapter to let you use it with vesa mounts. My monitor doesn't have any holes but there's a part available on amazon that slides into it's regular slot for the default stand and it has a backplate thing with the vesa holes on it. It was like $20 or something, but if the option exists for your monitor it might be less hassle than returning your monitor or ghettoing together a solution from duct tape and cork board.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Ynglaur posted:

drat. If I were going to Minneapolis this week I might go pick up three and just ship them home.

The Minneapolis MC was already out of stock when they posted that link, as I expected but was was still disappointed by.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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I am thinking about black friday and I can't decide whether 27" 1440p or 3x24" 1080p is a better upgrade. It'll be for games and photoshop. I don't code or any poo poo like that so the whole productivity thing is not especially a consideration, and my current third monitor is a 60" tv so I'm looking for something that's not just big since I have that covered. I wish I knew someone with an eyefinity setup so I could actually test it out first.

Sort of related, wtf is this resolution and why is it so cheap?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AURIA-EQ276...542503321&rt=nc

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Stupid question but I'm guessing none of the korean wqhd monitors go on sale around black friday, since they're from ebay sellers and not online retailers?

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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How sketchy of a purchase would this be?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-Refurb...=item33909c3a91

A 1440p refurbished Shimian for $180. The seller has a good record and there's a nice jpeg of a medal with the words '1 year warranty' on it. Although actually the price plus the fifty buck 2 year square trade warranty would still be $90 cheaper than the qnix I was looking at.

edit: I checked the page again and it was already down to less than 10% of the remaining stock (they already sold like 160) so I just decided to buy it, fingers crossed I guess.

Wowporn fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Nov 4, 2014

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Magic Underwear posted:

I bought this monitor new, also from an ebay seller. In my opinion you're already taking a risk by buying grey market. Buying a grey market item that's been used and refurbished by the seller is just too much for me. How much can you really trust "helloemart" to stand by their work?

edit: think about it this way: best case scenario, your monitor came from the factory, to the ebay seller, then to the US buyer who got a perfectly working monitor but didn't have the right video card or whatever. Then it got sent back to Korea, "refurbished" in some unknown way, and then sent to the US again. That's the best case scenario, the worst case is that it was sent back as broken and fixed in a really shoddy way. It could also get hosed up in transit, of course.

Yeah, that was all why it took me a while to decide. I figured if something is horribly wrong the return window is big enough to get it back. It seemed worth a shot since the reviews are almost universally good/they have a lot, it's returnable, and the person refurbishing them is actually located in the US and not Korea, so the monitors haven't made multiple international trips. Plus it was loving cheap.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Is it a bad idea to vesa mount my monitor when my actual desktop is just a piece of wood laying on top of filing cabinets? The monitor itself will be pulled closer to the front of the desk so I feel like the weight distribution won't flip it over or anything, and the other stuff on the dest is really heavy and should weigh it down.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Snaaaaap my shady rear end refurb 1440p Korean monitor just arrived. I think I hella lucked out, there's almost no backlight bleed (less even than my really nice dell 2440l had), no noticeable input lag (it's one of the dvi only models), and I'm sure there are dead pixels but I haven't found any yet. The stand sucks and was a little scuffed up but I'm replacing that anyway. As long as it doesn't explode in a week then for $180 I'm glad I took the gamble. I haven't tried overclocking it past 60 hz but maybe I'll try it later.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Anti-Hero posted:

That is either backlight bleed or IPS glow (probably this one). If the former it's ground for a return/exchange. If the latter you could exchange and hope you get one with less pronounced glow, but don't count on it. IPS glow is endemic to the technology and you generally have to pay out of your rear end for a model that eliminates this "feature".

See how the bleed on the top shifts between the two photos? That is IPS glow, which changes based on viewing distance and angle.

I've never owned an IPS panel before this Shimian I just got and I think the glow is the only negative thing about it. It probably isn't worse than a normal IPS though, but coming from using an AH-VA monitor and a plasma TV I was spoiled for really good blacks for a long time.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Zorilla posted:

You mean AM-VA, right? AH-VA is AU Optronics' IPS-type technology and stands for Advanced High Viewing Angle, rather than anything to do with Vertical Alignment technology. AH-VA looks and behaves exactly like other IPS displays. This is something to note since a lot of Korean monitors are now popping up with AH-VA panels.

Yeah, I meant that; it was a dell 2440l. I was annoyed at first that they advertised it as IPS in store but the contrast and poo poo was so good I didn't mind after actually using it. The Shimian is regular IPS, not AH VA or PLS like a lot of the xstars and qnixes were.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Fallows posted:

Been using a Qnix Evolution 2 (http://www.amazon.com/QNIX-QX2710-Evolution-2560x1440-Perfect/dp/B00CAKD6LI/ref=sr_1_13?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1415318610&sr=1-13&keywords=1440p) for a week now at 96hz. I am very impressed with it, especially for the price. Running it at 96hz theres less backlight glow then my old 24 inch Asus, no dead pixels, very bright/vibrant colors super awesome quality.

Question I have though, what is the trade off with these Korean monitors? Besides the no support do they just have cheaper parts and die faster?

I mean, the whole backstory for a lot of them is that they were panels that were rejected from bigger companies like Apple for not being good enough for their own stock, so they have some measurable flaw. The point where it's worth it is that the perfection of something like a cinema display or the 27" asus or hp is double or triple the price, so if you're not making a living that relies on having a professional grade panel with zero flaws it feels like a pretty good deal to have a few dead pixels/some backlight bleed. Also all of the things you listed.

Speaking of, I mounted my Shimian on a monoprice vesa arm today. The construction seems good for $20 and the ways it can move around are good. It's a little short though, and also holy poo poo raising it up and letting it go for the first time was nerve wracking as hell. It seems sturdy enough and I realized it would have some play to it but it still felt like I was just gonna drop my nice new monitor off my desk if I let go. I don't regret it but if you have the budget something a little sturdier might be worth the peace of mind.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Gamesguy posted:

However, I've heard that there are much cheaper Korean monitors that use the same panel as that dell like this one, are they trustworthy and of a good quality? I imagine getting tech support if I receive a damaged one is basically impossible with them.

Read my post five inches up and also the few before it. In terms of support just find a seller with exactly the things you want listed on their page.

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Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Der Shovel posted:

I want to get at 27" monitor mostly for gaming but also for some light graphics design stuff and tons of writing.

I was originally going to get a 1440p monitor (possibly an Asus) but then I started thinking that maybe my R9 280X isn't beefy enough to run games well at high detail levels at that resolution. How terrible is 1080p on a 27" screen? Or should I just bite the bullet and get a nice monitor know with the knowledge that if there's performance issues, I can replace my GPU in a while?

The 280x was made to be a more affordable 1440p option when it was released a year ago, so it'd probably do alright? I have a 1440p monitor and a 290 (anand bench puts it around 20% faster on average?), when I play Far Cry (3, not 4) If I turn the anti aliasing down from 8 to 4 I can keep everything else on ultra and get 60-70 fps. I feel like the increased size and resolution would make up for the things you might have to turn down, but I dunno if you're exactly like me or not.

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