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Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Vertigus posted:

Quake 3 or Quake Live with bots is probably the best way to do it. I can't remember how much control those games give you over the bots' skill level, so UT99 might be better.

Black Ops is definitely not the best way to start. Even without the horrible performance problems, it's a really unforgiving game.

Well I haven't played Black Ops but quake is just about the most unforgiving FPS out there. The reason I suggested it is that it strips away all the extraneous bullshit and goes straight to the guts of FPS. If you're good at Quake, you will be good at every FPS. Literally all of them.

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Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Just get a little table-top mic. $10-$20 for a mic that will sound way better than any normal headset mic and will allow you to still use your nice set of cans.


I've got a Logitech one that sits on my desk with a nice big glowy green button that I can turn it off and on with.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Scionix posted:

I'm not really sure why everyone bags on headsets here, you really can't go wrong with much of anything razer or creative makes.

I don't think anyone is saying they're bad, just expensive. And they are, 20Hz–20KHz for $80. Yeah yeah that's not all that matters with headphones I know, but it's pretty indicative of price vs sound quality.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Amrosorma posted:

It's funny/depressing when you tell people, especially audiophiles, that their range of hearing falls significantly short of 20Hz-20KHz.

Cochlear degeneration: it's a hell of a thing.

Then why can I consistently tell the difference between 20-20 and a higher range?

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Witchfinder General posted:

Now my videocard is idling between 49 and 50C. 15 loving degrees.

Heh, one time while I was in the middle of a very long and slow render, I checked my temps and noticed that they were very high (near 70c CPU), my first thought was dust since I realized that I had never cleaned the front intake of the case before, despite having it for about a year. I opened the side often enough and blew it out, but never bothered with the front, for some reason.

So I opened up the front, and wiped off the horribly dusty grate, and watched the temps as I did it. Literally within about 20 seconds, my temps went down over 10 degrees.



Clean out your cases, kids.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Parker Lewis posted:

I need someone to talk me down off the ledge, I'm questioning my future as a PC gamer.

My computer locked up on Sunday afternoon and I've been unable to fix it since. I have a Core 2 Quad and a P45/ICH10 based motherboard, motherboards which almost nobody sells anymore and if they do, cost $130+. I've already put $110 into replacing my 6.5 year old power supply and hopefully I can get some sort of RMA on the motherboard as it's 2.5 years old and came with a 3 year warranty.

I've put a fair amount of money into buying PC games on Steam over the past year and a half, many of which I haven't even played yet, and that's about the only thing preventing me from just selling all my PC parts and going back to my Xbox 360, Nintendo DS and iPhone for all my gaming. Then again, there's a point where you are spending good money after bad and maybe I should just write off my sunk costs and forget about the PC.

I feel like there's this combination of factors.. 90% of the games that I play on my PC are available on consoles as well, and the remaining 10% tend to be strategy/RPG games that take up so much time that I probably shouldn't be playing them anyway. Combined with the fact that a power supply, motherboard or video card alone cost in the same neighborhood as an entire Xbox 360 Arcade, it's getting hard to justify keeping up this hobby that is mostly just a distraction from more important things that I should be doing instead.

This isn't really the answer you're looking for, but if you want a cheap fix to your PC, I have a mobo, CPU, and RAM that I'm not using that'd I'd be willing to sell for cheap. An AMD x2 5200 2.6ghz with 4 gigs of corsair ram and a ASUS mobo.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Devil Wears Wings posted:

Yeah, they should've just stopped after Left 4 Dead 2 and Plants vs Zombies since no future zombie game will ever be as good as either of those.

L4D1*




Also, why do people always get so excited over cinematic trailers? They can look cool, sure, but I thought by now everyone would realize that they're in no way indicative of what the game will play like or even look like.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


RagnarokAngel posted:

Man like it or not L4D2 did do a lot of nice things. Adding melee weapons alone changed a big dynamic of the game that couldnt be done as dlc.

Like making the survivors more OP than they already were

(if we wanna keep spergin about this we should probably move it to the l4d thread)

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Gaming peripherals, pay $50 for some mouse cable!

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Spatial posted:

It ensures the mouse always has some cable slack, which makes it easier to move around.

Of course, you don't need a specialised tripod to accomplish that.

Tape is a lovely thing. Still amazed that people will pay a ton of money to accomplish what 1 inch of crappy tape will do.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Amrosorma posted:

Agreed. The only people who are complaining about how this is only for casual gamers are ironically the gamers who are too casual to know about TrackIR or FreeTrack.

This has possibly huge ramifications for FPS game design.

What application would head tracking have in FPS?


How would head tracking affect PC FPS? I'm genuinely curious, I don't see any application for this beyond gimmicky wii type games, certainly nothing that could replace or augment the mouse for PC FPS.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Tuxedo Catfish posted:

StarCraft 2 over StarCraft is probably actually a good choice. It gives them an entry from the best competitive game series ever made, but without picking the one that achieves its depth by flipping new players the middle finger.

Isn't it pretty much an accepted fact that any decently competitive game will poo poo on new players?

There are things like tutorials, training, etc which are great, but if you DON'T get poo poo on in a highly competitive game as a new player vs. regulars, there is a problem.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Hoodrich posted:

Planning on buying a new gaming pc in the next few weeks. how much money should I be looking spend? Right now I'm looking at around two grand. Will this be enough to futureproof my system for a few years at least?

You can easily build a very high end rig in the ballpark of $800. Future proofing is pretty much a lame way to spend more money than you should, so if you want to have a good rig for a long time just go for gold and get a sexacore with a high clock speed and call it a day.


Don't go for some uber 'gaming' crap and just get something reliable. Don't go crossfire or SLI or various related money sinks.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


RightClickSaveAs posted:

Yeah I definitely didn't mean something gaudy, I was thinking more along the lines of Lian Li cases, something that looks nice but more importantly is durable, has good airflow, and is easy to work with.



Lian-Li cases rock, when I built my first PC I knew that I would be able to keep the case as I upgraded the components, so I went ahead and got a nice brushed aluminium Lian-Li case. It's got great airflow, TONS of space, and it looks very, very slick without being all "wooo look at my blue LED's!". And it's built like a rock, none of that flimsy plastic poo poo. But it's aluminum so it's not super heavy either.


So yeah I would recommend Lian-Li.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

It was part of one of the Humble Indie Bundles, you probably got it from that.

It was part of the first one, but everyone who bought the second one got the first one for free as well, which is pretty awesome.

E: I am dumb

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Death Himself posted:

I think it happened maybe twice. It never works out well for the console players.



I forget who was doing it but some group did a "test" where they got a bunch of PC gamers who had never played halo and got a bunch of halo players together and had the PC gamers use mouse+keyboard while the experienced halo players stuck to the controller.

Despite not knowing the maps, not knowing the guns and only getting a short time to get used to the controls the guys on mouse+keyboard ripped the halo players apart at their own game.

I've read this probably 50 times, but even still, every time I read it I get the most massive :smug: face. I'm a terrible person.



Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


blackguy32 posted:

What headset does everybody use? I use these, but this is the second time that the drat microphone has just stop working on them and I haven't really had them for a long period of time.

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Premium-Headset-Noise-Canceling-Microphone/dp/B0007N33IQ/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1300068434&sr=8-16

This was discussed earlier in the thread, but generally speaking headsets are very badly made and very overpriced and you will be doing yourself a lot of favors if you just get a good pair of headphones and a tabletop mic. How much are you willing to spend, and how good do you want it to sound?

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010



This except for this instead

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR-V6-Monitor-Headphones-Voice/dp/B00001WRSJ/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1300074391&sr=1-1


:toot:

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Davincie posted:

I got the Fatal1ty Pro Gaming headset for free in a promotion ages ago and despite the ridiculous name they actually are very good! I've used them for years now and can definitely recommend them.

That's cool that you got them for free and I'm really glad you enjoy them but I just want to stop this here before it misleads people. This headset is very average, and is overpriced to hell and back as a result of extreme PRO GAMER marketing. Please do not fall for this trap.

For reference, these headphones that are $24 have similar or better sound.(disclaimer, there is no perfect 1:1 comparison of headphones so this is an estimate, but you get the idea.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826159224


Fatal1ty headset: $100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826158081&Tpk=Fatal1ty%20Pro%20Gaming%20headset

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Cheezymadman posted:

How else would you aim?

Trackball, obviously. How else? :smugbert:

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Batham posted:

Just the thought of moving my finger over that scroller, during graphics class, sends a shiver through my spine.

Oh god, the countless hours of torture in animation. Thanks for bringing up all those repressed memories of that mouse, jerk.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


kiph posted:

The point is that it should be in 0% of them. And yet publishers are still putting that crap in their games. WHY????!!!!!

Because MS gives them loads of money.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


kiph posted:

According to the reviews so far, the 6990 is actually outperforming the 590 in most benchmarks, while drawing less power. Nvidia is really starting to fall behind in its engineering techniques, while AMD has stepped up its game with its drivers. A total role reversal.

ATI has good hardware but last time I checked they still had horrible drivers. They still haven't bothered to even try and code proper OpenGL support.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


kiph posted:

In the past their drivers have been lacking, but that's completely changed in the past few years. Their latest 11.4 drivers are easily their best drivers ever.

Maybe for DX. Last ATI card I had was a 4850 and the drivers were terrible then, but I can't really speak for the current drivers. But all the communities for games that use OpenGL as well as various 3D apps that use OpenGL that I'm involved in still regularly complain about the glaring incompatibilities. Granted that's second hand but considering my own previous experiences I'm inclined to believe it.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Maybe because OpenGL is old and busted. Even Carmack, one of the staunchest supporters of OpenGL, said DirectX is by far superior to OpenGL these days, but his team is stuck with it for now because all their custom tools at id are designed for and around OpenGL.

And yet it's still a vital engine because it's the only proper multi-platform one. Nearly all graphics-intensive multi-platform games/engines use OpenGL, and myself and tons of others use those apps or play those games regularly, so it makes ATI a complete non-option. I'm not even exaggerating, anyone who uses a 3D modeling app will tell you that getting ATI is a horrible idea, getting it to work properly at all is a matter of luck, and even then getting it to perform comparably to nVidia is a near impossibility.

I don't keep up with the development of OpenGL, but from what I can tell it looks just as good and usually performs better than DX, and considering its multi-platform status, not supporting it properly is not only stupid but excessively annoying, regardless of whether or not it's stagnating.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


microwave casserole posted:

Blizzard has always done in-house Mac versions of their games. I haven't read any interviews or statements about Valve bemoaning the process, and they're usually pretty vocal if something isn't going their way.

ID only does OpenGL too, as far as I know, and now that Valve has ported Source to OpenGL that pretty much covers 3 of the biggest PC developers. So yeah, while OpenGL is a lot smaller than DX, it's still pretty big.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


keyframe posted:

Recommend me a good keyboard and mouse guys. I am off to ncix in an hour to pick those up. I have been using a wireless ms keyboard which is fine but sometimes it gets stuck and you have to reset it by removing the battery and putting it back in which is rage inducing during online gaming. So I want to go back to wired keyboards.

Logitech MX518. Keyboards all perform well enough so it's pretty much just aesthetics so anything will work for that. I have a Kensington right now that I really like (flat keys, fairly compact keyboard), but any Logitech/Rosewill etc will all work fine.

And yeah wireless, while progressing, is still full of problems, it's better just to go with wired and have something you can rely on.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


I still don't get why people love those so much, flat/quite keyboards are so much more pleasant to type on as well as being way faster. Oh well, to each their own I guess.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Vertigus posted:


I know it doesn't really work out this way, but I'd rather the GPU power be used to model surfaces with real, polygonal bumps instead of normal and bump maps that lose their illusion as soon as you walk within 6 feet of them.

The amount of resources required to do shaders/post processing is absolutely infinitesimal next to the mesh and lighting requirements of polygonal detailing.

It's not a question of GPU power, it's a question of good design.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Tuxedo Catfish posted:

I am poor and massively elitist about games, so... Yeah.

This right here. Way too spergy to submit myself to the torture of console games.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Cheezymadman posted:

I'm just wondering when difficulty became a substitute for game design.

Really hard game =/= Really good game.

I don't think anyone said that. They just said games that don't hold your hands are good.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Amrosorma posted:

Does that imply that games that do hold your hands cannot be good?

I was not implying that, no, although it is usually the case. But of course there are always exceptions.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Devil Wears Wings posted:

I like to venture out of my box once in a while as far as games go, so to that end I've been playing a lot of Galaxy on Fire on my iPod. To my amazement, I've found that I really enjoy it. So having never played any PC space-combat sims before, where should I start? I'd prefer something that doesn't have a huge learning curve (so, not X3:TC), that's available on Steam or GoG, and that maybe has a decent story.

Homeworld is fantastic, if you haven't played that.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


arca posted:

are these headphones really that great? I've used some steel series 3H's for eons because the quality is great for a £20 set of headphones but they aren't that comfortable and my mic just broke.

Basically I am asking if senheiser's are really worth the money, £80 for a set of headphones is a hell of a lot of money.

They have great sound quality yeah, still if you're worried about comfort think twice before buying them. They sound great, but grip your head like a vice. Some people like it, some people don't. Personally it gave me a gigantic headache after 30 minutes, I got these instead. Similar sound quality, but much more comfy.

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Mr Right posted:

Is there a DotA 2 thread on the forums? I looked through the last few pages and never seen one. I just played my first match ever and it resulted in a "maybe you should go play DotA instead". :smith: But the guy was right, so I'm gonna try and learn a bit more before my next attempt at a match.

Yes there is and it's been on the first page of this subforum for like 3 months

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


I can't live without it anymore. Occasionally I'll run a fullscreen app or something that bypasses it and all I can think about is how painful and horrible everything is.

I used to get sore eyes and headaches being on the computer for too long, especially at night, but those have gone away completely since I got f.lux. Now I can sperg online for 10 hours with even less trouble! :buddy:

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Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Doomsayer posted:

So, I'm sure this is asked a thousand times (and hopefully this is the best place to ask), but I'm helping a friend build a new computer. We were talking video cards, and she got recommended a Radeon HD 6770, but she's thinking about getting an Nvidia GTX 560 instead. The 6770 is cheaper, but she's worried about problems with ATI cards in terms of OpenGL issues and, uh, whatever else (I'm still running with my old GTX 260 so I'm a little behind the times, I've never used a Radeon card myself). She says the money difference isn't really an issue, but the 6770 has already been ordered, and she's wondering if she should cancel the order and switch.



ATI has a long history of driver problems and more specifically, really really bad compatibility with OpenGL applications/games. If she does 3D work (i.e. Maya/3DS etc) she should definitely get nVidia because ATI will cause lots of headaches with those applications.

E: end of page is not end of thread

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