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Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!



In theory, encumbrance concerns can make a game more interesting. In practice they aren't, and I give in to my hoarding tendencies. One of the reasons that I tend to flame out on latter Fallouts in the late going is because I develop a rapidly tightening cycle of finding new junk to carry and figuring out what of the dozens and dozens of aid and junk items I don't need I'm willing to give up. I find Fallout 4 an easier kind of packrat game to appreciate because the crafting system is not quite as particular, any given "ingredient" can generally be used for a multitude of things.

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Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer




Electric Phantasm posted:

I'm one of those sick fucks that enjoys Fallout inventory management and loves weighted ammo.

I think how much I can stand weighted ammo is going to come down to how many times I have to shoot something for it to die. I played a FO2 mod way back in the day that reduced all the magazine sizes for everything to 1, so you were finding one bullet at a time (and could carry WAY less ammo as a result, since it weighed 1 unit each round). It would have been tedious except that it also made guns incredibly powerful so you basically never had to shoot anything more than twice.

Basic Chunnel
Sep 21, 2010

Jesus! Jesus Christ! Say his name! Jesus! Jesus! Come down now!



The original Van Buren design was, iirc, more heavily "Mad Max" in that regard (at least in one permutation). Guns were meant to be really scarce and really powerful and people would use crossbows or the like instead.

Mass Effect 3 ain't great in a lot of ways but I thought its approach to encumbrance was probably the most effective conception of encumbrance I've yet seen that isn't "keep below a number or you walk real slow", or even "keep below a number or you'll hurt your legs".

BurritoJustice
Oct 9, 2012



Weighted ammo is great because I love going back to my home and gearing up, crafting the right amount of match ammo and cleaning up my inventory before I go out on a quest. Same goes for the weight of guns and armour

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

Y2K girl


Electric Phantasm posted:

I'm one of those sick fucks that enjoys Fallout inventory management and loves weighted ammo.

Same. I love Inventory management, managing my health, food, water, sleep, everything. I think Fallout New Vegas introducing survival gameplay elements was brilliant and should have been in the series from the start. I mean the series is all about trying to survive and thrive in the post-apocalypse. I can't believe it took them 6 games until they added eating/drinking/sleeping mechanics.

I never play NV without the JSawyer mod these days

Jamie Faith fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Feb 18, 2021

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer




Jamie Faith posted:

I can't believe it took them 6 games until they added eating/drinking/sleeping mechanics.

To be fair, the first and ESPECIALLY the second games take place in a massively larger area.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Clark County and the DC Metro or all of Northern California, yeah.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

There's mods out there that make money have weight too

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.




Basic Chunnel posted:

The original Van Buren design was, iirc, more heavily "Mad Max" in that regard (at least in one permutation). Guns were meant to be really scarce and really powerful and people would use crossbows or the like instead.

Mass Effect 3 ain't great in a lot of ways but I thought its approach to encumbrance was probably the most effective conception of encumbrance I've yet seen that isn't "keep below a number or you walk real slow", or even "keep below a number or you'll hurt your legs".

Dark souls system of just the 2 weapons you could switch between and whatever armor you're wearing affected movement and you could carry as much of everything else as you wanted was pretty good, but also reliant on not pausing while in inventory to really work.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



BurritoJustice posted:

Weighted ammo is great because I love going back to my home and gearing up, crafting the right amount of match ammo and cleaning up my inventory before I go out on a quest. Same goes for the weight of guns and armour

It's dope as hell, nothing like heading to Lombard station when you've decided it's time to clear out the quarry or the brotherhood. Finally getting a chance to use all the Plasma grenades and 50.BMG you've been hoarding

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

Y2K girl


Defiance Industries posted:

To be fair, the first and ESPECIALLY the second games take place in a massively larger area.

Arcsquad12 posted:

Clark County and the DC Metro or all of Northern California, yeah.


ok yeah, good point. But it still frustrates me in any game that has food and drink items that you don't need

Halser
Aug 24, 2016


Basic Chunnel posted:

In theory, encumbrance concerns can make a game more interesting. In practice they aren't, and I give in to my hoarding tendencies. One of the reasons that I tend to flame out on latter Fallouts in the late going is because I develop a rapidly tightening cycle of finding new junk to carry and figuring out what of the dozens and dozens of aid and junk items I don't need I'm willing to give up. I find Fallout 4 an easier kind of packrat game to appreciate because the crafting system is not quite as particular, any given "ingredient" can generally be used for a multitude of things.

yeah, Fallout 4 made that much simpler, in a good way.

New Vegas did this pretty well with ammo crafting(dozens of ammo types broken down into relatively few components) but it can get obnoxious with its cooking and crafting recipes. I pretty much only memorize the stuff I need for weapon repair kits and ignore all the other junk, even though I'm sure it has its uses.

Being the modding thread, wish someone made a mod where you could tag recipes you want to track and then marked related items when you found them in inventories. This way I won't have to literally write down that I also need a forceps to make doctor's bags and such.

Gaius Marius posted:

It's dope as hell, nothing like heading to Lombard station when you've decided it's time to clear out the quarry or the brotherhood. Finally getting a chance to use all the Plasma grenades and 50.BMG you've been hoarding

Clearing the BoS bunker is when I dust off all the C4 I found. Place charges in key locations in floors 1 and 2, activate the self destruct, use the detonator and just see the XP rise.

Halser fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Feb 18, 2021

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011



Have any of you folks recently played with either The Living Desert or Mojave Wildlife? I'm still tinkering with my modlist [s]because modding is the game[s] before I actually start up. Mostly added stuff on top of Viva New Vegas like "why was this not in the game?" like Missing Ammo Recipes and Food Scraps which returns an empty bottle when you drink a Nuka-Cola.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



Living desert is good. If you use it in conjunction with NV bounties be warned the entire area around vegas is absolutely swarmed with fiends. I had to have killed at least fifty on my trip to the clinic

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


The Living Desert and Mojave Wildlife are both nice.

Can't be sure right now but I think they have some conflicts with one another but those can be easily dealt with.

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013


Halser posted:

Being the modding thread, wish someone made a mod where you could tag recipes you want to track and then marked related items when you found them in inventories. This way I won't have to literally write down that I also need a forceps to make doctor's bags and such.

I've seen a similar mod in action before (not exactly the same, but when you look at an item included in crafting recipes, they're shown on screen), but unfortunately I don't know the name.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

There's only one prescription for Nazism and it's 76mm HVAP





Ultra Carp

the only inventory management I respect is the Resident Evil 4 briefcase

PinheadSlim
Apr 2, 2015

FRIENDS for EVER

Acebuckeye13 posted:

the only inventory management I respect is the Resident Evil 4 briefcase

Hell yeah inventory grids baybeee

cheeseboy58
Dec 14, 2020


Trying to fight Benny in the gladiator pit and he comes equipped with Holy Frag Grenades because of the randomizer mod not cool Benny!

Nobody Interesting
Mar 29, 2013

Stay frosty, America.




Freeside Review continuing to impress.

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Nobody Interesting posted:



Freeside Review continuing to impress.

Just walk away.

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019



I heard that thereís a frontier quest where some union miners want to revolt and if they win the union bosses turn out to be just as bad as the mine owners

Really makes u think

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Did they play Outer Worlds recently?

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019



Arcsquad12 posted:

Did they play Outer Worlds recently?

I kinda feel like outer worlds being so underwhelming was bc people liked the political depth of NV so much they projected it to all the good fallouts, when looking back fallout 1, while well written, didnít really have much more depth to its politics than your standard post apocalyptic setting. So simple both sides type stuff we probably should have expected from the fallout 1 writers. Though I never got too far into the game and if all the writing was poo poo and not just the world building than Iím probably in the wrong here

Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011



outer worlds is aggressively bland centrist drivel

e: i expected it to be like nv because "from the creators of fallout and fallout: new vegas" was literally prominently featured in advertising and sets certain kinds of expectations

Crazy Joe Wilson
Jul 4, 2007

Justifiably Mad!


FrancisFukyomama posted:

I kinda feel like outer worlds being so underwhelming was bc people liked the political depth of NV so much they projected it to all the good fallouts, when looking back fallout 1, while well written, didnít really have much more depth to its politics than your standard post apocalyptic setting. So simple both sides type stuff we probably should have expected from the fallout 1 writers. Though I never got too far into the game and if all the writing was poo poo and not just the world building than Iím probably in the wrong here

I wouldn't say there is much of politics in F1, since F1 is mostly about civilization just crawling back from the abyss that was the Great War. You do have some political corruption going on in the Hub that you can sort out, Adytum is being run by "The Regulators", who are basically holding the city hostage by scaring them into submission with imaginary outside threats, and of course "The Master" and his Unity are trying to unify all the Wastes by making everyone Super Mutants.

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019



Any of you know if thereís somewhere to get mirrors of the mods on the ttw site? I had been planning to try out the ttw version of Powered Power Armor but the mod maker removed it bc of compatibility issues with the current version. Which wouldnít be an issue if he also made a fixed version, which he didnít, which means Iím stuck with the 2011 vanilla NV version

Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011



Twincityhacker posted:

Publishing 0.95 version of my Cooking Expansion Mod for Goon Review before I upload it to the Nexus. It adds a cooked version of all meats, a superior cooked version of all meats, boiled eggs, and omelets. Also adds Broc Flower Tea. 0.95 adds three new recipes and the meshes and textures for one of the food items.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sihgfhnKXIyC_nW5jXk6E6BJ0MyuLO5Q/view?usp=sharing



Hey there's a typo in this. Gecko Omelet is shown as "GeckoOmelet" and Boiled Mantis Egg also shows up as "BoiledMantisEgg". I think I might have a thought on recipe balance too but Im gonna sit on that a minute longer. Cool little mod, tho.

Another apparent bug: Broc Flower Tea doesn't have any listed effects in the recipe menu, and when crafted it seemingly disappears into the ether as the item does not appear in my iventory.

Proletarian Mango fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Feb 22, 2021

Orange Crush Rush
May 7, 2009

You don't need thumbs for revenge

Is Freeside Open alright? I used it back in the day, but I've read everywhere that it hasn't aged well at all (and I remember it being kind of screwy back in the day).
I've never had a problem with Strip Open but from what I understand getting rid of that wall was a pretty easy fix and it doesn't really change much, unlike mashing together the two Freeside cells.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



I'd recommend against both modes personally, so drastically changing cells with that many NPC's and quests is almost certain to cause problems, especially if you start adding mods on top. You end up racing the clock to beat the game before poo poo goes wrong.

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011



Proletarian Mango posted:

Hey there's a typo in this. Gecko Omelet is shown as "GeckoOmelet" and Boiled Mantis Egg also shows up as "BoiledMantisEgg". I think I might have a thought on recipe balance too but Im gonna sit on that a minute longer. Cool little mod, tho.

Another apparent bug: Broc Flower Tea doesn't have any listed effects in the recipe menu, and when crafted it seemingly disappears into the ether as the item does not appear in my iventory.

I did fix the Broc Flower Tea not outputting anything when made, but not the spelling errors. I will fix that right away.

And if you do have an idea about recipe balance let me know. It is supposed to be balanced, but IDK how well I succeeded.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO


Overlook Cabin
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/71252

quote:

A small player home and accompanying experience lead by notes and atmospheric design. Player home is equipped with a bed, crafting stations and storage for player items.

Neat.


quote:

This mod adds a new player home / base complete with backstory and mini unmarked quest. Discover the mystery of the mystery of it's recently present inhabitants and maybe do what they failed to do.

Ah poo poo, here we go again.

I'll start a new playthrough this week and report back if this ends up like the grocery store mod.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





edit
Nevermind, it seems to have worked itself out.

NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Feb 22, 2021

Halser
Aug 24, 2016


Orange Crush Rush posted:

Is Freeside Open alright? I used it back in the day, but I've read everywhere that it hasn't aged well at all (and I remember it being kind of screwy back in the day).
I've never had a problem with Strip Open but from what I understand getting rid of that wall was a pretty easy fix and it doesn't really change much, unlike mashing together the two Freeside cells.

never had issues with either personally, but YMMV.

I heard they conflict heavily with quest mods, but I don't ever use those so it doesn't matter. If you had to only pick one, Strip Open feels more important to me, those walls are awful.

Mr. Maggy
Aug 17, 2014


MariusLecter posted:

Overlook Cabin
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/71252


Neat.


Ah poo poo, here we go again.

I'll start a new playthrough this week and report back if this ends up like the grocery store mod.

maybe they died trying to fix the cable and landed in a convenient nearby bathtub to skeleify

Twincityhacker
Feb 18, 2011



Technically Thread Favorite Lombard Station had a mini-quest as well. So maybe it won't suck...?

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



That's was a goon mod though so if the quest was bad they would've been relentlessly mocked. It's also like one note and a key.

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019



Lol in the union miners quest the union boss is called Dell Castron and the twist is him going ďhaha you thought I was just here to improve working conditions? I was actually evil commie vanguard Fidel Castro this whole time! Gulags for everyone!Ē
I know this bc the big frontier unofficial patch removes the twist bc the makers thought it was offensively stupid

Nobody Interesting
Mar 29, 2013

Stay frosty, America.


I installed this mod to try and make the casino music less Jingle Jangle Jingle all the fuckn time, but realised it sucked because I don't see why The Kings would be broadcasting the news out of their pad. So I tried loving with it to get it to play Mojave Music Radio instead which is expanded with MMRE. The end result is that I now have no music in Freeside or The Strip with or without the mod enabled!

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Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012


Something neat popped up: A climbing mod https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/71445/

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