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Oct 10, 2012

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SwissArmyDruid posted:

It should be noted: Fines are also tax deductible.

That... defeats the entire point of fines. Which is the point, I guess.

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Factory Factory posted:

We've got our first Zen uarch rumors.

Assuming this is true: 14nm FinFET (that's probably Samsung's process), FM3 socket, DDR4 controller on-chip. PCIe controller at rev 3.0, and moving on-chip, so the northbridge is done on AMD, too. Up to 8 cores in 95W. No word on graphics. Uarch details are light except for a rumor that it's moving from Module-based, Bulldozer-ish clustered multithreading to symmetric multithreading on unitary cores, like Intel does with Hyperthreading.

"up to 8 cores" - if they go in a consumer craptop, will most software be able to make use of that computing power, or will we see processors good for very specific circumstances but bad for general purpose laptops?

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SwissArmyDruid posted:

I think that the specs listed are server parts downgraded to desktop, a la Xeon down to i7. It does not make sense for AMD to stop with the APUs for the "craptops". Nor does it make sense to bring hot and power-hungry server parts down to mobile.

Ah ok. I had confused it with the mobile-only thing that got announced. 8 cores for server CPUs seems reasonable.

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So will we see an intel breakup after which the bastard child of half of intel and half of AMD leftovers competes with the bastard child of the other half of intel and the other half of AMD leftovers in a really awkward and inefficient way?

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Nintendo Kid posted:

We will never see a meaningful Intel breakup.

We might see Intel forced to roll off some of its minor portions like SSDs or the production of NUCs, but there's simply no sensible way to split up the CPU manufacturing.

Of course splitting the CPU division would be dumb, but I wounder if anyone would actually try to break up the CPU monopoly that way.

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wargames posted:

my desktop not too long was strangled by 4 gigs of ram, and the i3-4030u looking it up because info all things intel is easy, the cpu is super poo poo.

Guess what that says about your current CPU then :v:

Also 4gb of extra laptop ram isn't that pricy.

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The Lord Bude posted:

Ars technica is reporting it as well. Basically from here on out Microsoft will only support a new CPU on whatever the most recent version of windows is when that CPU comes out. It seems to me to be aimed more at preventing people from putting old versions of windows on new PCs.

:argh: Curse you, Microsoft! You will not prevent me from using windows 7 till the end of time even if that means I'll buy 2015 processors off ebay till the end of time! :argh:

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Malcolm XML posted:

it is surprisingly complicated to bring up a new processor on a kernel but this is a move to get laggards off 7 and 8(.1)
MS should have just switched to a rolling update system while still on 7 so the entire world can forever enjoy a non-poo poo non-mac operating system. I literally just want windows 7 on every single PC till the end of time because all 8, 98.1 and 10 did was provide better compatibility for super new hardware and break things for reasons that the end user doesn't care about.

Like I have 8.1/10 on some of my PCs but if I didn't know certain things on them break under 7 I honestly couldn't give less of a poo poo and might just put 7 on them depending on whether the 7 install disc or the 10 install usb stick is closer to my desk during the next reinstall

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all the shitbox computer janitors d.b.a. "IT departments" are gonna have to suck it up and deal with it. what're you gonna do, deploy linux? Apple is even more hardcore about deprecating old hardware.

Just go full "gently caress you" and implement BYOD for work laptops. Either it's a windows shitbox in which case MS Office will work or it's a Macbook in which case MS Office will work. Nothing could possibly go wrong.

Some state/local institutions in Germany have deployed linux/openoffice on the desktop by the way (probably didn't actually result in savings because the average civil servant will not be able to adjust though).

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Malcolm XML posted:

lol

i mean if you want to ignore all the core OS upgrades and general stability and security upgrades (you aren't gonna get the hardening that happens between kernel upgrades on 7)

win10 is basically windows 7 take 2: electric boogaloo
Note that I said "end user", not "developer" or "computer janitor". When I just want to do non-IT work on my computer I'm an end user. I care about my computer booting fast (only minor improvement from an upgrade to 8/10 if your 7 install is already on an SSD) and about all my applications and drivers working (they did under 7 until eventually less compatible hardware came out).

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:yaycloud: show us on the doll where the cloud touched you. windows is moving to a SaaS model w/ a legacy enterprise standalone licensing so i would get used to it.
Yeah I'll get used to it but I don't have to like it. Adobe is particularly bad and SaaS must be really cheap (like, office 365 university cheap or cheaper) for me to not be particularly unhappy about it. If I'm particularly pissed I might just incorporate my own one man company that reports a continuous loss and basically exists to get me enterprise software and tax writeoffs till the tax office gets sick of giving me tax deductions for nothing :v:.

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unironically this. its not like some can't take photos of a work laptop and smuggle out data that way and your networks should be hardened against any user device being compromised

Yeah and there's no reason to have big rear end Dell workstations in tyool 2016 when your office drones just do braindead work using, well, Office.

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Stanley Pain posted:

Most corps have "recently" moved to Windows 7 and if you don't think that's going to be the norm for at least another 7+ years....

Basically, again, since Windows 7 happened, no Windows has provided an actual benefit to the end user that matters. Before you complain, under-the-hood performance increases and security improvements do not matter to users. As an end user it would have been convenient if 7 had become the last Windows ever made and were now in eternal life support mode.

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Basically 10 will become standard when all the win 7/8/8.1 shitboxes (which replace win XP shitboxes) finally die in 2025.

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Don't forget you can still buy Win7-downgraded Thinkpads.

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mobby_6kl posted:

The new T-series Thinkpads that IT wants me to use instead of my T520 are actually (very mildly) slower than what I have. Of course they're thinner and lighter, but why would I care if it spends 90% of the time in the dock anyway.

Because they also have less features and ports (apart from USB3) of course!

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SwissArmyDruid posted:

That astonishes me, frankly.

I would never actually buy or use a Lenovo brand, Thinkpad design language be damned. Sure, it's supposed to be the ultimate working professional's laptop, but I wouldn't trust a Chinese company to not have a low-level backdoor spying on me.

because frankly, convenience > chinese government hax

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Please have decent single core performance (equivalent to maybe a 3-3.5 GHz Haswell at least) in the better parts. Otherwise the things are DoA again.

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system protocol posted:

As long as it is cheap and almost comparable to Intel stuff ill buy it. I don't believe many people will see a real difference.

Also not 150W vs 75W

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SwissArmyDruid posted:

No, no, this is the first new rig that I'm building in five years. Literally, I just checked the invoices. Last rig's parts were ordered May 4th, 2011.

I'm not cheaping out on ANYTHING, which is why it's so important to me that AMD do well on both the CPU and GPU sides, so I can really get my money's worth there.

Get a 850 EVO. They have been out for a while and haven't had problems. If you want to spend lots of money on slightly better performance, the 950 Pro is what you want to get (850 Pro is pointless for home users).

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Well, according to that benchmark it beats out some of the low clocked 12 core Haswell Xeons, so it might not be completely useless i guess :confuoot:

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FuturePastNow posted:

I hope I don't have to try to convince people to buy an AMD RHYZEN THREADRIPPER FX

you won't, because the AMD THREADRIPPER GROK GAMING 5DFX 13770-69K will be a much better value for money :colbert:

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20GHz single core performance at 600W TDP would be cool and good :colbert:

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WanderingKid posted:

drat, a bunch of 3770ks went for 280ish recently though. Had to check the completed and sold listings.

Yikes. I've bought whole used Dells with 3770s in them for less.

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Potato Salad posted:

Would I buy that for $300? $350? If it truly is Haswell performance and 8c?

......probably.

...yeah. I get to buy a mid tier video editing box at work later this year and if AMD prices are reasonable I'll just put some 8c monstrosity in there instead of the usual i7.

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eames posted:

new LGA socket

Why do pins and LGAs instead of one or the other?

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redeyes posted:

Intel moved the one thing that can break to the motherboard. pins

Yeah but why would AMD do that, too, for server parts but make some presumably lower production number consumer with special snowflake pins?

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redeyes posted:

I loving knew it. The platform is poo poo. NVMe performace is nearly HALF Intel at low queue depths.. which is exactly what most desktop pcs will be seeing. loving AMD! Same poo poo, different platform.

AMD CPU and Platfrom Discussion: :mediocre:

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