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PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Intel lets me have a cheap 1368x768 screen. Step it up, AMD :colbert:

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PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Alereon posted:

High-end AMD APUs can make sense as they offer compellingly better graphics performance than Intel's CPUs, which means they are better gaming processors (for systems without dedicated graphics cards). It's AMD's CPUs (FX-series) that are retarded buys because they have nothing to balance out their much worse CPU performance.

Anyone actually trying to game will have a card, however.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
So what in particular made deep pipelines so bad? Do they intrinsically have worse per-clock performance? Is it a simple problem of branch predictors not being good enough?

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Agreed posted:

Not even close. I'd actually say it's an ultra-complex problem, and any attempt at explaining it outside the confines of academia and research is gonna be high on snark and low on detail. No offense intended to regulars. :)

Please, make an attempt to do so anyway.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Alereon posted:

I would suggest that Bay Trail is too slow for this application, several goons have tried it so far with disappointing results. Consider a Haswell-based Pentium or Celeron CPU, if an i3 is out of your pricerange.

In my experience, bay trail is more than capable enough to handle media applications.

As for AMD, I believe the general consensus is that there's little reason to ever go with them over Intel except for skeleton builds and it doesn't seem like this will change in the near future.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Just turn the Intel thread into CPU Discussion and this one into GPU Discussion. We're halfway there already!

But please continue, this discussion is neat

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
So this popped up on my news feed...

Am I correct in assuming this doesn't bode well for AMD?

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

The Lord Bude posted:

Dragon age inquisition is another. These are devs deliberately blocking games from running on dual cores for no apparent reason.

Judging by the publishers/developers of the two named games, I can think of a reason.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Twerk from Home posted:

Things change in a decade, 10 years ago AMD was the best choice for desktop CPUs by a mile with Athlon 64s competing against Pentium 4s.

Ten years ago we were about to get the Pentium D. Nine years ago we got the C2D.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Twerk from Home posted:

You know, the flip side of this is that I can keep riding the 2500K that I got for $200 in 2011 for the forseeable future.

My 2600k is still absurdly powerful. What a world.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Shaocaholica posted:

Why bother talking audiophiles out of anything? Its their money. As long as they aren't hurting themselves or others who cares?

Belief in pseudosciences and the disbelief in rational thought and logic that tends to accompany said belief is a form of anti-intellectualism. I would argue that constitues harming others, as it harms society :colbert:

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

mayodreams posted:

Someone made a stunning revelation during last night's PC Gaming Show.



Carlos!

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

I don't know that this is even true anymore. I'd consider myself an enthusiast (I built my first PC when I was 10) and have always built my own PCs. Looking back, I have never replaced a discrete component in my computer other than a failed disk or optical drive. If I've got enough money to upgrade the GPU, I can save for 4 extra months and have enough money to just replace the whole thing, so that's what I do. It's just less headache than shuffling parts around and figuring out what I want to drag across builds and such. Instead, my old PC then becomes a media center somewhere in my house or a hand-me-down for one of my brothers who needs a better Minecraft rig or whatever.


Definitely not a thing these days. The only real components that have gotten performance improvements are the GPUs. My rig is from 2012 and there's no other part to upgrade; I replaced my dual GPU solution with a single card, put in a ssd. That's ask I could really do.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
My two 6870s payed for themselves and the rest of the computer :colbert:

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Fabulousity posted:

Did you roast them over milk crates or cardboard boxes with zip tie supports for that true smokey return on investment flavor?

Bonus points if you didn't pay the power bill for your residence at the time too.

But yeah the 6870 was a decent work horse.

Living in a dorm room! During the winter. Gotta be efficient yo.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Intel has an x86 monopoly, not a cpu monopoly.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

FaustianQ posted:

Heterogeneous chips as in HSA? I've only ever seen it refereed when talking about a CPU+GPU combination since CPUs and GPU operate very differently and thus it's actually heterogeneous, otherwise you might as well refer to the C2Qs as the first heterogeneous chips.

C2qs had the same processor cores....

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

HMS Boromir posted:

what if you like

made a graphics card that was like a folded up version of current cards and then in the middle you put a heatsink, with a fan on each side

graphics cube

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

SwissArmyDruid posted:

At this point, I'm not entirely convinced that some idiot senator out there is going to try to pass legislation to insert mandatory arbitration clauses with third-party arbitration firms into the U.S. Constitution. Maybe that will be dear Senator Feinstein's last achievement in office before we welcome her home to California at the end of her last term as senator for the last time... with a loving riot.

(Swear to god, that woman has been worse for national security than any other human being on the planet.)

Feinstein has a history of being a horrible law maker. Do something, you Californians!

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

SwissArmyDruid posted:

She's 84, will not be seeking re-election, and is gone at the end of this term.

I voted for someone else during the primary, I'm not happy that she got re-elected. Thankfully, Senator Ron Wyden out of Oregon has vowed to filibuster the Feinstein backdoor bill, so I have confidence that she won't get to gently caress the country up any more before she leaves office.

This is the best news I've heard all day.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
So who here is actually going to purchase Zen, if we assume it achieves near-Intel performance for the proportionate price?

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Ever notice how every picture of Zen is blurry? :tinfoil:

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I still haven't noticed this issue in my 840 :shrug:

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Yeah, I still got an 850 as well, but honestly I don't notice a difference day-to-day with any of my 3 SSDs.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

PBCrunch posted:

So, let's assume that desktop Zen is 8C/16T. Let's further assume that the cheaper chips are made by disabling cores and/or per-core threading. I think AMD could get a ton of support in the enthusiast community by having cores that can be re-enabled through fancy motherboard BIOS, like the old Phenoms. This strategy could also help mitigate the fact that AMD will have a process disadvantage relative to Intel (to the enthusiast crowd); Intel wins on overclocking frequency potential, but AMD counters by offering chips that ~might~ have one or more unlockable cores.

Maybe follow Intel and restrict this capability to K-only SKUs and/or with motherboards with a fancier, more expensive chipset.

I remember that! Enabling cores was definitely one of the more interesting capabilities of the chip. More than a handful of enthusiasts probably bought them intending to unlock, though I don't know how much money AMD would make from another round of that.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Water cooling is still technically air cooling, so you should just get an H100 :colbert:

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

HalloKitty posted:

To be fair, Geforce 4 MX was poo poo at almost anything; (it was based on Geforce 2 with a new name, it wasn't related to the Geforce 4, and was worse than a Geforce 3) and every card with "SE" after is cut down even further.

Yep. They were pretty crap. I should know; I had one in my crappy eMachines.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
My e6750 seems to handle FreeNAS fine. My T100 (running some variant of the good Atoms) can do fine, as long as I'm not opening more than one intensive page and not much in the background.

For ease of use, though, you definitely "need" something better than those old chips.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Chrome with several tabs open tends to bring my cpu usage up towards 25% on a 2600k

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Kyonko is right, they're completely native games, hence why they can run at all.

If you want to talk emulation, the original ds does like 3fps in ps1 games. New 3ds does about 30.

PSP could get 20-30 fps in some n64 games including star fox.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

not even that, it's 2gb, of which 1gb is used by the OS :downsgun:

:psyduck:

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Didn't the 360 have 512mb combined ram, and ps3 have 256mb system and 256mb vram?

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
PS4 launched with a slight profit.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Truga posted:

Look at this joker who doesn't even water cool.

please don't do water cooling

Water cooling is for cool guys. It's better down where it's wetter.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I still don't know what people mean about noise, my pump is dead silent

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Neither my Corsair H50 nor my DDC pump made any noticeable noise... A GPU and/or case fan make more noise than a pump, in my experience.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
That thing is absolutely absurd. I love it and would never want to own it.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Was WCCFtech the site that gets everything right because they publish literally every rumor, and thus have at least one correct?

http://wccftech.com/new-amd-zen-blender-benchmarks/

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Given that we're basically going to see Intel stuck on the same architecture for two years, too...

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PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Most of my bootup time in the old days of "stick in a million external drives" was getting the USB-attached HDDs to spool up.

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