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Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

No? Nobody cares about Zen rumors? The newest one is the 2015-2016 roadmap:

http://wccftech.com/amd-2016-14nm-cpu-apu-zen-k12-product-roadmap-leaked/

If I'm reading that correctly the 8-core "Summit Ridge" chip for desktops will not have an integrated GPU.

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Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

FaustianQ posted:

Also, wasn't Godavari supposed to be BGA?
You're thinking of Carrizo, in the mobility roadmap. Godavari is the Kaveri with a very slight clockspeed boost.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

It's AMD’s Financial Analyst Day and that means Zen is official:

http://anandtech.com/show/9231/amds-20162017-x86-roadmap-zen-is-in

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

FaustianQ posted:

Also RIP ARM for this generation apparently :\

They're still doing ARM, but just their low-power / low-performance Opteron 1100 for 2015 through 2016, and apparently dropping the idea of boards that can accept both ARM and x86 chips (which honestly always sounded goofy to me anyway).

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

FaustianQ posted:

Samsung and Nvidia? Maybe Qualcomm? As above, VIA is still floating about but I have no idea how they get to use x86-64 so it could be moot.

VIA had patents which they used as leverage to obtain an x86 license. Under the terms of the agreement they can't make chips compatible with Intel sockets.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Shaocaholica posted:

Thanks I'll dig around. Mostly around the tail end of the 32bit era. Whatever was the best of SocketA/32bit-AthlonXP which I'm assuming was at the end of its life.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/AMD-Athlon%20XP%203200+%20-%20AXDA3200DKV4E.html

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/AMD-Sempron%203300%2B%20-%20SDA3300DKV4E.html

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Toast Museum posted:

Some areas have completely separate Goodwill locations for electronics.

They also run this thing which is actually pretty neat:
http://www.engadget.com/2014/08/28/goodwill-game-store/

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Shaocaholica posted:

AMD CPU and Platform Discussion: Revelling in the before time of the long long ago
Reminiscing is fun sometimes, I've been enjoying it.

For those who would rather think about the future, Tom's Hardware has an odd write-up of Lisa Su's press session at the end of Computex.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Beautiful Ninja posted:

You can get a GTX 750 or 750 Ti passively cooled nowadays without having to do anything insane.

It does look kind of ridiculous though.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GTX_750_Ti_KalmX/

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112435

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

NihilismNow posted:

Really only a monopoly on well performing X86 personal computers which Intel arguably already has enjoyed for the past 5 years.
You can still buy a Vortex86 (i think) or a ARM based personal computer.

Yes but the well performing end is the profitable end. AMD is suffocating.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

So even Intel can't push forward. Moore's Law has hit the wall on silicon.


Edit: D'oh I said the exact same thing in the Intel thread already. Having lived through more than 30 years of it, it's actually rather sad to be at the end.

Rastor fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Jun 24, 2015

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

quote:

The shortfall was blamed on weak PC sales, along with a one-time charge for pushing more of its chip production to newer manufacturing technologies.

I think Dr. Su is doing the right thing making the jump to newer manufacturing technologies, a side effect of which is a hit to the earnings reports in the near term.

Of course the FinFET products can still flop, but at least there's a chance there for some success.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Lisa Su:

quote:

http://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-taping-finfet-chips/

We’ve actually just taped out our first couple of FinFET designs. Relative to what that means for the competitive landscape going forward, I’ve been asked that question a couple of times over the last year and my comments have been, our focus is on design architecture and ensuring that we use all of our design architecture expertise. Zen is a clean sheet design and from architectural standpoint, I think it’s going to be very competitive. The fact that the gap between foundry technologies and other technologies is shrinking, I think does change the competitive landscape and will be a good opportunity as we go forward competitively.

:unsmith:

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Semiaccurate: incredibly late news and incredibly stupid analysis. Subscribe now!

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

WCCFtech with positive AMD rumors:

* Both Zen and K12 have successfully taped out on modern-day FinFET processes.

* AMD to make semi-custom SOC designs for Apple and Nintendo.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Apple has been pushing 5K displays and therefore needs significant GPU power. Getting an x86 plus significant GPU power into one chip is like the only thing AMD can do now.

Apple also likes to use multiple sources / get part sources to compete with each other on general principle.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

SwissArmyDruid posted:

Qualcomm should have grabbed him first. Maybe then they could solve some of those heat problems that the Snapdragons have got.

Qualcomm was already working on their own (presumably cooler-running) custom cores, they just weren't ready yet when everyone jumped to 64-bit.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Nice build quality on this Carrizo laptop:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Toshiba-Carrizo-Laptop-Noise

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

SwissArmyDruid posted:

Man, you couldn't pay me to use anything Lenovo these days. Being owned by the Chinese is just bad news, period.

They've certainly been blundering lately but I would still be all over it if they released a Retro Thinkpad.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

quote:

The new, premium AMD Wraith Cooler features a near-silent noise profile

quote:

it is clear to hear how much quieter AMD's new reference cooler is.

I'm OK with that.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

According to internet rumors there will be an AMD Athlon X4 845 chip (socket FM2+) for HTPC/light gaming.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

I've seen some speculation that this means they're confident in the Zen performance that it won't be outpaced by the previous generation as happened with the construction cores, so that's good news.

As for Kaveri / Godavari though, there remain very few use cases where they are the best choice.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

I heard rumors Kaby Lake will get 256MB of on-package RAM, question is what will the yields be and will Intel make them generally available.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Boris Galerkin posted:

If it makes you feel better I work in a research group of non-programmer types who use an in-house code/library to do our research and one of the "programmer dudes" just set up a git server for us since we didn't have some kind of centralized repository. It's set up on his work machine and I asked him what the backup solution was when I started here because I know for a fact our work computers/laptops don't have a routine backup system. He shrugged and said there is none at the moment (and there still isn't) and thinks it's not a big deal because git keeps a local version on your computer so there are backups on everyone's computer :downs:.

Keep in mind this is a university research group and he is encouraging us to keep things like our academic papers and thesis drafts and experimental data saved in this system, without a backup solution.

I would actually kinda sorta back up the programmer dude on that, any person's local git repo could be used as the base of a git repo going forward.

Still, it's always best practice to have backups.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001


Moore’s law really is dead this time.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

KingEup posted:

Hey folks currently looking at building a mITX DOTA2 box and it has come to my attention a single AMD A10 7870K on its loving own i.e. without a dGPU will probably take care of things at 60fps on high at 1360x768 (which is my monitor's native resolution).

Now I've had problems with integrated graphics actually supporting that odd rear end resolution but I hear the A10 supports the CCC drivers so I was wondering whether someone could confirm this as a supported resolution. Thanks.

NB Why does everyone keep telling me to get an Intel CPU?

Well,

pienipple posted:

Currently Intel's single threaded performance is significantly better than AMD's. Same for power consumption, comparable Intel chips run much cooler than their AMD equivalents.

They had the double misfortune of pursuing an architecture that's just not very good at a time when Intel made a huge jump in efficiency. It's kinda the opposite of the Athlon XP/Pentium 4 era.

Yeah AMD's current processor lines are difficult to recommend. But, if you're on a tight budget, I can understand why you are looking at them. Did you say what budget you're working with? (Although really this is becoming a conversation for the parts picking thread).

If I had a bit of budget and tight space, I think I would be looking at something like this.

Even tighter space, I would be looking at something like this.


I think we are all rooting for AMD to pull a rabbit out of the hat with their new designs starting early 2017 (end of this year in servers).

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

KingEup posted:

So, yeah, does anyone have an answer to my main question we've kinda got sidetracked.

Serious answer, post a description of what you plan to do and your budget in the parts-picking megathread.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Cardboard Box A posted:

Where are apple computers made precious?

Austin, Texas?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Twerk from Home posted:

This smells like complete bullshit, maybe Apple is examining this just to strengthen their negotiating position with Intel, but what Zen looks like it will be good at is not the segment Apple lives in, and I'd bet that less than 5% of Macs even have a dedicated GPU at all. The meat of their lineup seems to be Macbook Air / Retina Macbook Pro / Future ultraportable Macbooks, all of which don't have the TDP for any mobile GPU beyond the integrated.

I can definitely imagine Apple using APUs in Mac Minis, iMacs, and laptops. But yeah, the first Zen chips off the line will not be the APUs that would be suitable for those. And Apple is never going to buy enough discrete GPUs to affect consumer GPU availability.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Paul MaudDib posted:

You say that, but it's happened. The reason there was no R9 285X in the R9 200 generation was because Apple bought up literally the entire supply of Tonga XT for iMacs. Supply only caught up during the R9 300 generation (as the 380X).

Yes but I'm making the assumption that Apple would not make a new Mac Mini or iMac with a discrete GPU.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

havenwaters posted:

I took away that and that Zen won't be readily available until next year.

To be fair I think AMD had already been signalling pretty clearly that Zen won't be readily available until next year.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

WCCFt slide dump for processor nerds:
http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-architecture-hot-chips/

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Pryor on Fire posted:

I've heard or seen this at least 20 times since the 80s, guess what it's bullshit every time. Somehow we were approaching the "fundamental size limit of the atom" or some such utter horseshit back in 1989 and and every year since then. Somehow we manage.

Once again, the only reason things have slowed down is because AMD has been incompetent for many years, it has absolutely nothing to do with physics or engineering no matter how many times you read that rubbish in wired and verge.

It's not about size of an atom, but we really are reaching fundamental physics and engineering limits of what you can do with silicon.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/moores-law-really-is-dead-this-time/

Sorry dude.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Boiled Water posted:

Also pairing with Nvidia would probably mean getting your CPU bits from a different source, and since Intel don't want to touch custom silicon in any way shape or form, well.

Yeah, but Samsung has a CPU bits division.

http://www.androidauthority.com/closer-look-samsung-mongoose-cpu-712587/

AMD still seems like a better fit for other reasons though.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Boiled Water posted:

Making 3W chips is very different from making higher wattage chips. Then there's the whole ARM v. x86 thing.

We all know AMD makes absurdly high TDP parts but they have also made ~3W chips.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7974/amd-beema-mullins-architecture-a10-micro-6700t-performance-preview

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Boiled Water posted:

That was not my point at all. Who in their right mind would want a console with a 3w ARM chip?

Since when are we talking about consoles? I thought this discussion was about Samsung trying to boost the GPU oomph in their mobile devices.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Boiled Water posted:

Welp. I thought it was a discussion about whatever happens about the current consoles kick the proverbial bucket.

There are no such things as consoles anymore, only locked down x86 PCs and Nintendo mobile devices.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Potato Salad posted:

Not-premium-but-still-good SanDisk x400 1TB will run you $230. It's insane.

And the Crucial MX300 has broken down through the $0.30/GB barrier at the 2TB size.

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Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

You could mix and match any two of those and have the name of a Star Wars character, maybe AMD is doing a Rogue One marketing tie-in

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