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Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Zen official preview announcement countdown clock:

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/new-horizon

Two weeks.

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Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

JediTalentAgent posted:

That's cool. I thought that the deadline to redeem Win 10 if you had a copy of 8.1 had passed so I was going to be a bit stuck.

The deadline did pass, but enforcement has been very lax. A little googling should inform how to keep claiming a Win 10 license.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Dali Parton posted:

What happens if it's another bulldozer?

Then I hope the people gloating about buying AMD stock for cheap manage to sell it all near the peak.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

havenwaters posted:

What's Keighly doing here? Okay whatever let's see what happens.

They're pretty clearly targeting enthusiast gamers with this event. Which, I'm not sure that's the ideal target market based on the leaks but we'll see.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I'm half an hour late to the party, did I miss anything?

Nothing that hadn't already leaked.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

FaustianQ posted:

I mean, overall presentation has been improved, but jesus this is so empty, and not a hint of Vega :(


Dr. Su thanks you for setting up her "oh, and one more thing"

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Although those are hilarious mental images, remember that she has a PhD in electrical engineering (one of the first researchers to work on silicon-on-insulator technology); I think she is just really into engineering these things and wants to be sure to give credit.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

I saw another source that AMD is planning to stay on 14nm for a while. Possibly related to reports GloFo is going to try to skip over 10nm.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

power architecture and the loss of low power consumer electronics as a concept until arm got better

It's still hilarious that Intel had Xscale ARM processors and saw them get used in most every Blackberry and Palm Treo, and yet chose to sell off the entire division and its 1,400 employees to Marvell because they couldn't imagine Apple selling iPhones in large quantities.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

AMD's Upcoming Ryzen Line-up Could Feature 6-Core Chips After All

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Ryzen coolers:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-cpu-coolers-leaked-wraith-95w-65w-versions/


Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Last rumor I heard was Ryzen motherboards on February 24, CPUs on February 28.

Edit: but I think you are talking about APUs so nevermind ignore me

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

FuturePastNow posted:

AMD CPU and Platform Discussion: Hallelujah, He is Ryzen!

I think you mean Platfrom

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Harik posted:

Are there any 8C+APU on the roadmap? I've got machines that would be perfect for - no GPU required for driving text logins, and the PCIe slots are used by 10ge and RAID controllers.

Would you have any slots free at all? Because you can always just shove some bargain bin low profile GPU into a PCI slot or something if all you need is a text console.


Edit: or if you are looking at a board with no PCI slots at all, maybe something that only uses one PCIe lane:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10269/zotac-quietly-releases-pcie-x1-gt-710-graphics-card

Rastor fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Feb 24, 2017

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

I don't care about crashes but I do care about data corruption. Here's an Ars article that shows how a single bit flip can corrupt a file:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/bitrot-and-atomic-cows-inside-next-gen-filesystems/

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Happy Embargo Drop Day everyone!


Sinestro how is the new OP coming

Bleusilences posted:

I just check the first page to check for any new on the zen and it's not been updated for at least 4 years! Could someone knowledgeable start a new thread?

Sinestro posted:

I'd be happy to just redo this one's OP, too.

Sinestro posted:

I'm writing a new OP right now, it'll probably be up this afternoon.


Don't forget to discuss the new AM4 platfrom

repiv posted:

i'm the am4 platfrom




AbrahamSlam posted:

AMD infuriates competition with this one weird trick!

Edit: I just couldn't help myself.




And be sure to mention AMD THREADRIPPER technology


Seriously though the PCPer deep dive video might be good to include for the mega nerds:

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Sinestro posted:

I decided to wait until today, since it would have needed massive retooling when the embargo dropped anyway. Should be tonight, I just need to put things together when I get home from work, I know what I want to say.

SourKraut posted:

What time is the embargo expected to drop?

My bad about the embargo, people are saying it's actually on release day (Thursday March 2). I was hearing February 28 but that must have been confusion caused by the "Capsaicin and Cream" GPU event.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

My understanding was that the rad hardened processors of choice have usually not been 386 or 486 but rather POWER based architectures, stuff like the RAD6000 and RAD750.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Reddit user took delivery earlier than expected, ran benchmarks:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x04ll/ryzen_1700x_cpuz_more_tests_coming/

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

RyuHimora posted:

We won't know for at least one more day though.

Review embargo drops at 9AM EST

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

HalloKitty posted:

I think AMD have made a mistake by releasing only an 8-core launch line-up, because 8-core is still basically kind of niche. A solid 4 and 6 core offering with clocks a bit over 4GHz would have made more sense for the mainstream gaming market. But maybe they can't push it any more, it certainly seems that way. GloFlo strikes again?

Bareback Werewolf posted:

Can somebody explain to me why they're doing a staggered release of the 8 core, 6 core, and 4 core parts? How many people do they think need a high end 8 core / 16 thread processor?

I think there are several reasons that lead to this:

1. At least the 6 core parts, possibly one or more 4 core SKUs(?), are physically 8 core parts where one or more cores failed verification. Releasing them later gives you more time to build up supply as a by-product of 8 core production.
2. As you imply, 8 cores is still overkill for mainstream desktop/gaming use. Launching these first at top dollar lets you fleece the fanboys who want the highest-end part and want it first.
3. You also make a splash by launching the biggest version with the highest numbers.
4. It's clear that there are still bugs to shake out. There are still memory timing/access issues. Games need patches to optimize for the different architecture, and Windows needs some tweaks as well, for which AMD needs to wait for at least one, probably 2 or 3 Patch Tuesdays to pass. By launching the too-many-cores-for-gaming version first you get the rest of the ecosystem to start tuning and shaking out bugs before that launch.
5. For gaming you want to hit higher speeds, waiting to release the more gaming-suitable chips gives your fab partner more time to work out kinks and bin faster chips.
6. AMD's GPU division isn't ready to release Vega yet, they may be planning a simultaneous release?


EdEddnEddy posted:

I feel that a chunk of performance is probably still left on the table, in the form of GloFo improving a little in 6 months, a number of Bios Updates, and even a Windows Update that might help the ThreadRipper rip more efficiently.

Is it the Savior that AMD needed? Maybe not yet, but it could be the prophets ahead of the it.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

K8.0 posted:

I don't believe this is true at this point. Benchmarks on a sterile test system show no real gain from 8c, but real world scenarios where you have something streaming on your second monitor, are streaming yourself, playing one game while sitting in queue for another, etc are all going to favor more cores than just a game needs. That and as we continue into the main era of this console generation, releases are going to be more and more optimized for the 6-7 cores those machines make available.

We apparently have different definitions of "mainstream" desktop computer use.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Paul MaudDib posted:

This release is a shitshow, I am pissed that AMD rushed this so bad that there is only one (lovely, half-baked) chipset and no mITX boards.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

Ryzen's going to be on my radar when they respin it, there are mature bioses and board variety (itx).

Biostar is starting to show this off:







Racing X370-GTN, because you use your Mini ITX system for racing I guess?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

WCCFtech rumor:

Add-In-Board partners ramp production as global AM4 motherboard supply buckles under strong Ryzen demand

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Alereon posted:

Okay yeah bad benchmarks exist but if anything FX-series CPUs were worse for gaming than those benchmarks indicated, so he is making a kind of stupid point.

He addressed that starting at about 14:29 though.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Klyith posted:

there is no way the 4 core CPUs are 8 core chips with half the thing disabled


the 6 maybe, but you can't sell a $150 part that has 50% wasted die area without losing your shirt

You're saying if you already manufactured a wafer of 8-core parts and some of them failed verification on half the cores, it is better to place those in the garbage can than to sell them for $150 each?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

We certainly have never accused Global Foundries of being a poo poo fab in this thread

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Ars published their brief Naples preview:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/amd-naples-server-processor-more-cores-bandwidth-memory-than-intel/

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Also when you're at the level of Google / Facebook / Microsoft you're designing your own platform and form factor, not racking HP 2U servers for a standard hot aisle / cold aisle configuration.


Edit:

eames posted:

"Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM Intel.*"

I believe AMD will need a very convincing product like the multicore Zen+Vega+HBM APUs to get people to switch to such a new and unproven platform. Either that or incredible value that's far too good to pass up. "10% better at the same price" certainly won't do but AMD knows that.



* unless he's the poor chap who bought C2000 series Atoms.
Yeah for the players who buy in mega-bulk, AMD will need to prove reliability and show a significant performance-per-watt advantage.

Also it's worth noting those companies have probably put some time into Intel compiler optimizations.

Rastor fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Mar 7, 2017

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

HamHawkes posted:

My work is full of those Dell 1680x1050 monitors. Real estate is critical in my job, the computers are all from 2008 and it sucks. I could really use 3 1080's or two 1440's but its next to impossible to convince my boss to spend the money.

Paul MaudDib posted:

It's a surprisingly common problem in many businesses. I have a pair of 23" 1050p monitors, not exactly huge as they go these days. I'd much rather have 27" 1440p or triple, either way. I also don't have a laptop - and a lot of our devs have laptops and not desktops. One guy has screens that lose connection for a second or two every 5 minutes (he's been on for a couple months, I would definitely have murdered the IT staff by that point)

I also can't get my boss to shell out for proper software. IntelliJ is vastly superior to the open-source products out there (ask literally anyone who uses it) and it would literally be a single-digit number of hours that it saves me over a year to pay off. Heck, I can't get him to drop $10 for a Bamboo license, and that's literally a fraction of an hour of my time. I spend at least a day or two extra worth of time configuring Jenkins every year instead.

Have you guys considered getting a job at a company that values its workers' productivity and job satisfaction?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

AMD CPU and Platform Discussion: Ryzen Might Be good, FX8350 was never good

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

I think people were interpreting "no problems with the scheduler" to mean "Windows 10 performance is as expected" and that wasn't the correct interpretation.

IIRC the current theory is that at launch time Windows 10 was attempting to save power through techniques such as core parking; this update must be turning off some of those power optimizations and allowing the processor to do more managing its own power/performance.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Gwaihir posted:

This makes no sense, the CPUs in the consoles have no relation to the core layout/architecture of new Zen chips. Other that having > 4 cores.




Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

I've seen multiple rumors that Scorpio will at least ditch the 32MB of ESRAM, if not switch to Zen or semi-Zen or something else radical so I dunno, either the rumors are stupid and it really is just going to be a speed boost with more GPU units like the PS4 Pro, or Microsoft is going to risk a few non-compatible titles or force the publishers to issue patches or something.

I mean, usually you can count on "rumors are stupid".

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Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Ars makes guesses about what's happening in the various patches coming out:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/game-patches-boost-performance-on-ryzen-showing-just-what-can-and-cant-be-done/

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