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Dudebro posted:One of the main Republican candidates is a Mormon. That is mindblowing, yet not much is being made about that. He should have been laughed off the stage at the earliest possible moment. You literally believe the origin story of Mormonism. God forbid you have the power to launch nukes and influence world politics. God loving forbid. Obama is a Christian. Mormons are no different then the other ones.
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pkd88 posted:Obama is a Christian. Mormons are no different then the other ones. I think the difference is that most Mormons are active and devout. For example, I've known plenty of people for months or years at a time before finding out they identified themselves as Christian. On the other hand, I've known every Mormon's religion within our first several interactions. Christian is a nice a loose term. I was raised Catholic, but I could just slide over to generic Christian and then I wouldn't have to worry about pedophilia or pretend cannibalism. It's kind of hard to deny the magic underwear and fanciful take on world history when you call yourself a Mormon though. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in God and in the grand scheme of things both religions are very silly. But there are far more Christians out there who just believe in God and Jesus and stuff. Keep it nice and simple.
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I don't get all the Maher hate. Sure, he's rather smug and all, but at least he is honest. I know plenty of liberals who feel the way he does regarding Muslims but they'll never admit it publically. I like it when he has good panel guests, and it's not just the right wingers who are garbage. Michael Moore is an absolute disgrace to have on his show. My ideal episode would be Maher + panel David Frum, Matt Taibbi, Some religious figure and then Colbert in charaacter as his 4th guest.
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Oct 21, 2011 18:38
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Pillowpants posted:My ideal episode would be Maher + panel David Frum, Matt Taibbi, Some religious figure and then Colbert in charaacter as his 4th guest. I fully support this. Where the hell has Matt Taibbi been this year anyways? He's the best.
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Oct 21, 2011 19:00
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My ideal episode would be one without a celebrity guest, unless that celebrity guest has a demonstrable track record of political opinion or activism. It's always lame when he gets some celebrity on there who just sits there occasionally cracking jokes, and can only spit out CNN/Fox News talking points as their contribution to the discussion.
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Oct 21, 2011 19:31
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ApexAftermath posted:I fully support this. Where the hell has Matt Taibbi been this year anyways? He's the best. Hopefully embedding himself in the tea party or wall street so he can write another awesome book.
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Oct 21, 2011 19:35
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pkd88 posted:Obama is a Christian. Mormons are no different then the other ones. I agree. Besides, the bigger issue isn't what they believe but HOW they (conservatives) believe. Conservatives treat religion very dogmatically to the point where Rush Limbaugh recently came out and criticized Obama for going after the Lords Army because they are the Christians fighting the evil Muslims and are therefore good. Nevermind all the widespread rape, murder, use of child soldiers, etc. Even then it wouldn't be that huge of an issue except that they take this attitude into every single one of their "secular" beliefs. Which is why Republicans can get traction with positions as absurd as "death panels". Obama proposed it, and since St Rushbo said he was the great socialist Satan in one of his eulogies it MUST be evil somehow. So the problem isn't Mormonism or even religion in general. It's people who are fundamentally disconnected with reality. (Edited for clarity) readingatwork fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Oct 21, 2011 |
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readingatwork posted:I agree. Besides, the bigger issue isn't what they believe but HOW they (conservatives) believe. Conservatives treat religion very dogmatically to the point where Rush Limbaugh recently came out and criticized Obama for going after the Lords Army because they are the Christians fighting the evil Muslims and are therefore good. Nevermind all the widespread rape, murder, use of child soldiers, etc. I don't want to dispute a fellow arrogant person but let's be honest, Rush doesn't give a crap about anything he says. It is just an act. These are just positions he creates to give him ratings. I do like the socialist with a Hitler mustache idea though (that style is called a toothbrush mustache and I hope it makes a comeback for all us socialists) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothbrush_moustache I wonder if I could market a special razor for that mustache.
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Oct 21, 2011 21:44
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pkd88 posted:I don't want to dispute a fellow arrogant person but let's be honest, Rush doesn't give a crap about anything he says. It is just an act. These are just positions he creates to give him ratings. That's fair. Rush is sort of an entity unto himself so he really doesn't make for a good base of comparison. I should probably have used Bachman or Palin instead. You should give up the ghost on the mustache thing though. Hitler ruined that style forever and it's not coming back. I'm very sorry.
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pkd88 posted:I don't want to dispute a fellow arrogant person but let's be honest, Rush doesn't give a crap about anything he says. It is just an act. These are just positions he creates to give him ratings. At this point who knows when he is telling the truth. I have a hard time doubting it is ALL an act because he got kicked off monday night football because he couldn't control his comments like that. I doubt he would gently caress up an opportunity like that over a persona he was trying to project. Either way the man is a disease and needs to die.
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SpaceMost posted:My ideal episode would be one without a celebrity guest, unless that celebrity guest has a demonstrable track record of political opinion or activism. Seth McFarlane is always great on the show. Have him, Taibbi and Frum on the panel, and I would be over the moon.
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ApexAftermath posted:At this point who knows when he is telling the truth. I have a hard time doubting it is ALL an act because he got kicked off monday night football because he couldn't control his comments like that. I doubt he would gently caress up an opportunity like that over a persona he was trying to project. Either way the man is a disease and needs to die.
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Oct 22, 2011 03:23
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SpaceMost posted:Well... When some industrious carny at a godforsaken state fair invents deepfried oxycodone, we can start a deathwatch. One can always hope.
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ApexAftermath posted:At this point who knows when he is telling the truth. I have a hard time doubting it is ALL an act because he got kicked off monday night football because he couldn't control his comments like that. I doubt he would gently caress up an opportunity like that over a persona he was trying to project. Either way the man is a disease and needs to die. We don't disagree so I am not arguing. I would suggest that he thought his act would carry. The rest of the nation, the intelligent (us!) recognized his bullshit, called him on it, and he failed. There is a real hidden message in the MNF/Rush thing. The majority of americans are and want liberal things. They just don't have a talk radio show ... and from that we jump off to the intentional disinformation that the conservatives put out.
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ApexAftermath posted:I fully support this. Where the hell has Matt Taibbi been this year anyways? He's the best.
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Oct 22, 2011 10:59
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Watching the episode right now and it's a little cringe worthy to keep hearing Bill talk about Obama the badass who killed Gaddafi. It was a mob of angry rebels that pulled Gaddafi from a pipe while he yelled "don't shoot don't shoot!" and then some people in the crowd yelled "keep him alive!" but then he got shot in the arm, and then shot in the head when rebel forces and Gaddafi forces clashed shortly after. Point is he died in absolute chaos not some controlled attack and certainly nothing orchestrated by the White House. Not a big deal just kind of dumb to listen to. But I did just love his line about "show the republicans his resume without the name and they would erect statues for this man". So true. Bunch of shitbags they are.
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The panel and Overtime were at least relatively solid this time around, lacking the crazed idiocy of the past few weeks. Next week though---I'm worried! Unless Kucinich is on the panel and Norquist is the first interview guest, preferably via satellite, arrrgh. I want some crazy panels blast it, Bill needs to just go all out from time to time. Gimme a Taibbi/Sharlet/Ellsberg or a Kucinich/Sanders/Gravel and I'd be positive some kinda crazed, yet informative, discussion would emerge.
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thepopstalinist posted:Yukking it up with Keith Olbermann on the regular. So he made a lateral move from a show run by a guy who's smug and occasionally funny to a show run by a guy who's even more smug (not to mention self-important) and believes he's funny, when he never is.
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SpaceMost posted:I can't stand Keith Olbermann. As smug and condescending as Bill Maher can be, at least he doesn't come across as a wildly inauthentic simulacrum of a liberal. Olbermann is serious, Maher is a comedian. Both feel like schtick. On one hand, you get feigned outrage, on the other, you get incessant pot jokes. It's really apples and oranges. That's not to say I don't like their shows in small doses. But there's a reason both guys have been banished from networks with a lot more people watching them.
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To be fair to Maher, he was banished for refusing to perpetuate the meme that the 9/11 hijackers were cowards.
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SpaceMost posted:To be fair to Maher, he was banished for refusing to perpetuate the meme that the 9/11 hijackers were cowards. Is that why he lost his last show? I never did get the whole story on that.
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readingatwork posted:Is that why he lost his last show? I never did get the whole story on that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97KllcZidKQ That's pretty much the whole story.
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thepopstalinist posted:Yukking it up with Keith Olbermann on the regular. So he made a lateral move from a show run by a guy who's smug and occasionally funny to a show run by a guy who's even more smug (not to mention self-important) and believes he's funny, when he never is.
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bango skank posted:I love Keith Olbermann's show if only for the fact that it's like a liberal version of the O'Reilly Factor. While Olbermann does have his moments...no.
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punk rebel ecks posted:While Olbermann does have his moments...no.
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bango skank posted:I've think I've watched O'Reilly's show maybe twice but they both seem pretty similar to me. I agree with that. They both also like to single out people as the "bad guys." O'Reilly has his "pinheads" segment and Olbermann has his "worst person's in the world." That's why I always thought it was funny when Olbermann began calling Glenn Beck "Lonesome Rhodes" as if he wasn't doing the same thing himself.
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I don't think I've ever seen Olbermann interview many hostile (for lack of a better term) guests but I think he just does the EXCUSE ME SIR thing rather than have his production crew cut the other person's mic like O'Reilly does. I mean now that he's buried in deep dark cable, who's going on his show anymore anyway, but even back on MSNBC. Also to my knowledge Olbermann doesn't sexually harass his female employees like BillO does. So there's that.
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IRQ posted:I don't think I've ever seen Olbermann interview many hostile (for lack of a better term) guests but I think he just does the EXCUSE ME SIR thing rather than have his production crew cut the other person's mic like O'Reilly does. I mean now that he's buried in deep dark cable, who's going on his show anymore anyway, but even back on MSNBC. Also to my knowledge Olbermann doesn't sexually harass his female employees like BillO does. IIRC, Keith O had a minor sex scandal a few years ago, but it was a NY Post smear piece where a lady said he had a small dick and was a douche, but it was no "falafel" by any stretch.
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bango skank posted:Olbermann's might be different in that it's based on fact instead of FYGM but other than that...? Yes other than that teeny tiny point. There's also the fact that Olbermann doesn't attack his guests & cut their mics off.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Yes other than that teeny tiny point. Back to Real Time discussion.
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bango skank posted:Dude, I like the guy. I'm not attacking him. All I'm saying is his show is the liberal analogue of O'Reilly's, and it is in that conservatives probably look at it the way liberals do the Factor. I'm not saying that Olbermann's show isn't bias. It is very bias and I stopped watching it because I always rolled my eyes with his shtick. But you can't compare him to O'Reily. One is brown poo poo, the other is green gooey poo poo with corn stuck in it. Yes they're both poo poo, but one is far worse than the other. bango skank posted:Back to Real Time discussion. Olbermann should be on Real-Time more. Why isn't O'Reily on real time? Imagine O'Reily and Olbermann together.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why isn't O'Reily on real time? The only guy I've seen that enjoys being on both is Andrew Breitbart (and he badmouthed both hosts on the others show). He was crying around about Sarah Silverman calling him "slime" and his chair "slimy." He called Maher's show an "evil liberal den" or something to O'Reilly and then was yucking it up on Real Time a few weeks later having a grand old time. Classic turncoat.
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I enjoyed the episode. I like hearing left positions described intelligently. I also love discussions about racism. I have to look up that author and see what else he has (for free...) The Bristol Palin joke was very good
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bango skank posted:Dude, I like the guy. I'm not attacking him. All I'm saying is his show is the liberal analogue of O'Reilly's, and it is in that conservatives probably look at it the way liberals do the Factor. That's bullshit. Bill O is Comedy Central to Keith's extreme PBS. Comparing them is disingenuous and stop doing it. It's just something weak liberals do because they think they appear more reasonable when they do it. They don't realize they are already reasonable and it is they that are dealing with unreasonable poo poo bags otherwise known as conservatives. Also you have to get over this idea that BILL and KEITH audiences are the same. They are not at all. People who live and breath on BILLOs word have no concept of fact. Name me one time Keith reported blatant lies? Zogo posted:I agree with that. They both also like to single out people as the "bad guys." O'Reilly has his "pinheads" segment and Olbermann has his "worst person's in the world." And for the most part the pinheads are not really pinheads, and the worst persons are actually loving cunts. So? Pinheads get called pinheads because of poo poo that BILLO doesn't understand. Worst persons usually are horrible or shitbags at least. Not seeing where Olbermann is exaggerating. ApexAftermath fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Oct 23, 2011 |
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ApexAftermath posted:That's bullshit. Bill O is Comedy Central to Keith's extreme PBS. Comparing them is disingenuous and stop doing it. It's just something weak liberals do because they think they appear more reasonable when they do it. They don't realize they are already reasonable and it is they that are dealing with unreasonable poo poo bags otherwise known as conservatives. It's also worth noting that Kieth was one of the few people on the left willing to seriously call out Obama on some of his bullshit. I've always respected him for that.
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I am of the opinion that even if you have 2 shows that look identical, and include identical looking hosts, if one of them is passing lies, and the other one telling the truth, they are not comparable. To attempt to make them seem similar is kind of stupid.
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ApexAftermath posted:It's just something weak liberals do because they think they appear more reasonable when they do it. Or perhaps people who can see through higher levels of deception than baldfaced lies. ApexAftermath posted:Also you have to get over this idea that BILL and KEITH audiences are the same. They are not at all. People who live and breath on BILLOs word have no concept of fact. Name me one time Keith reported blatant lies? Isn't that a little presumptuous? Olbermann has been caught in many half-truths before. Plenty of videos on youtube. ApexAftermath posted:And for the most part the pinheads are not really pinheads, and the worst persons are actually loving cunts. So? I'm not saying Olbermann is exaggerating. I always found the "Worst Person in the World" segments humorous and true but it's theatrical. He even has organ music playing throughout while shoving unflattering pictures of the "bad guys" for his loyal followers to ridicule for the next 24 hours until the next spectacle of course. And it's frequently a giant ugly, bloated head of O'Reilly. Just more stupid tit for tat fights over minutiae that we see occur daily with Beck, Stewart, Colbert, O'Reilly, Olbermann, Uygur et al. in the echo chamber. e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-fLC1dJi78
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Zogo posted:Or perhaps people who can see through higher levels of deception than baldfaced lies. Wait. What? quote:Isn't that a little presumptuous? Olbermann has been caught in many half-truths before. Plenty of videos on youtube. None immediately come to mind. Care to post of few of these? And I'm talking actual deception or the passing along of bad facts, not just you disagreeing with him. quote:I'm not saying Olbermann is exaggerating. HAHAHAHAHA! And now you're throwing Beck and Colbert into the same boat!? Wow... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3J_QLtYqlk Also, I hope that video wasn't an example of one of his half-truths because while not his greatest segments I didn't see anything he said that was untrue. The way the GOP has tried to use fake arguments and racism demonize the idea of trying terrorists with actual charges is horseshit and Olberman was right to call Bill out on it.
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Zogo posted:Isn't that a little presumptuous? Olbermann has been caught in many half-truths before. Plenty of videos on youtube. Link the videos in question then so we can all decide. Zogo posted:Just more stupid tit for tat fights over minutiae that we see occur daily with Beck, Stewart, Colbert, O'Reilly, Olbermann, Uygur et al. in the echo chamber. By that standard isn't everything minutiae on some level then? Also why are you loping Stewart and Colbert in with the rest of them? It's very strange. Stewart's whole thing is poking fun at the media and their coverage, and Colbert is a parody of a conservative. Are you sure you really know what you are talking about?
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Peace Frog posted:Fund: OBAMA DID A BAD!!!!! I just watched the Hartmann/John Fund show. I was laughing non-stop near the end. Disastrous episode. Some stuff Fund was saying was factual but it came across as if the panel was discussing Bush polluting and dismantling the EPA and Fund responding with "Obama pollutes by smoking cigarettes  "And Jillette ended it by mocking the entire panel, "We're taller than the Chinese." ApexAftermath posted:By that standard isn't everything minutiae on some level then? Also why are you loping Stewart and Colbert in with the rest of them? It's very strange. Stewart's whole thing is poking fun at the media and their coverage, and Colbert is a parody of a conservative. Are you sure you really know what you are talking about? Yes, a great deal of things are minutiae. I'm putting Stewart and Colbert in the list as well because they also cite and frequently reference the other aforementioned people so often that they've become part of their own acts. I'm not saying these guys are carbon copies of each other in personality, ideology, political affiliation or most importantly mental capacity. Beck is a self-admitted paranoid alcoholic. O'Reilly and many others are lifelong philanderers. Geraldo is another chronic womanizer who brags about it in his biography as if he's the greatest sexual dynamo that's ever lived. A lot of his followers would vomit if they read his book. They all play a part in the modern cable news echo chamber. And while Olbermann and Stewart are better than O'Reilly and Beck they actually drag down the intellectual discourse by regularly focusing their ridicule on them on a nightly basis with sarcasm and caricature. Yes, it's about ratings. Zogo fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Oct 25, 2011 |
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