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Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Ugh, I hate it when there's no conservatives on the show.

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Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

You know, I was never too big on the mid show panelist special guest panelist segment, but good god this one was quite possibly the most useless one I've seen so far. This guy, added absolutely NOTHING to the discussion whatsoever. Like seriously, what the hell was the point of having this douche on to begin with?

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Michael Scott posted:

Hey don't hate on Bill Burr. He didn't really know what was going on but I can't fault him. His agent probably arranged the appearance and he didn't know what to expect. He's kind of apolitical. He's not a douche!

Never heard of him before, but yeah "douche" is probably a strong word. It's just that he didn't do anything but sit there quietly and sadly.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Ugh, I like Bill Maher but it seems he's kinda getting a tad dumber as the years go by. He's become way more Islamophobic than usual (supporting racial profiling? Really, BIll?) and on OT yesterday he actually started using dumbass Republican talking points like "borrowing money from China".

nine-gear crow posted:

Ann's never done a full panel appearance in years.

Isn't that also cause she hasn't appeared on the show at all in years? Last time she was there, it didn't go well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1523WCarLf8

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Why do we have to assume they're boning each other? Maher is friends with plenty of right-wing shitheads, like Bill O'Reilly. Pretty sure they ain't sucking each other's dicks out back behind the dumpsters after the show.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

nine-gear crow posted:

Because he's been making coy jokes about loving/not loving her since his Politically Incorrect days? It's usually cited by the media as one of the Interesting Things about Bill Maher, that he might have at one point hosed Ann Coulter. Hell, Max Brooks even references it in World War Z.

I mean, yeah I'm totally aware of that. What I meant was that he constantly invites plenty of conservative twats on his show. He could in fact be loving her, I'm just saying that it wouldn't be the only reason he would invite someone like Coulter.

Now, Arianna Huffington on the other hand. :quagmire:

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I think Oliver's great, but do agree he laughs at his own jokes way too much. Weird, cause he never did that sort of thing on the Daily Show (or at the very least, wasn't so bad about it).

Yesterday's episode was pretty decent. I loved how the right-wing hack on the panel couldn't muster any single excuse to oppose the Iran deal aside from "bubububu Chuck Schumer hates it too!"

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

ExiledTinkerer posted:

Santorum dug his own hole quite expeditiously in OverTime---good god he was an insufferable rear end the entire time alongside Rohrabacker. "It wasn't a negotiation with terrorists, it was a deal with them~"

Yeah, that was great. I'm glad Bill kept pressing him on the Reagan point. To his credit, Santorum did eventually concede the Prophet Reagan (PBUH) was wrong.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I always get annoyed with Maher's Islamophobia, but today he reached a new low. Actually defending what happened to that kid with the clock? Seriously? If you transcribed what he said without mentioning who said it, I would have easily assumed it was some asshat on Fox News. Ugh.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

On this plus side, I did really like this exchange:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y040L6fMtGI

Yet another presidential candidate who didn't know that China got nuclear weapons a long time ago.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Bill's biggest problems are that 1) He laughs too much at his own jokes and 2) his attacks at the audience for not laughing at his jokes has become much more frequent and grating recently. When he's at his best, he's pretty drat funny, imo..


Was that Kennedy guy the same one who's really anti-weed?

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Yeah, of course. You have to laugh like a banshee. I like watching actual political guys who know their stuff. One time Bill Maher was on Meet the Press, and it was hilarious. George Will like tore into him, because once you get in with the big boys who actually do it for a living, it doesn’t matter what you know. George Will had huge contempt for him and was slapping him around, and suddenly Bill Maher wasn’t confident at all anymore. It was really funny to watch. [Maher and Will actually sparred on ABC's 'This Week.']

George will as one of the "big boys""? LOL. Yeah, Bill got his facts wrong about Brazil during that exchange, but it's not like Georgie belongs to some higher echelon of political discourse. Maher's invited people within Will's league all the time and shredded them all the same.

More importantly though, Norm MacDonald's a conservative? Not that I was huge fan of him or anything, but always sad to see someone like that walk over to the dark side.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

No Luck Needed posted:


Why would Maher want Clinton so much? Is it just because she is the front runner and it is better to support a Democrat by name then to keep using the names of the Republicans in all his jokes. Like just having to bring up Trump and Carson and whomever just gives coverage to those Republicans so Maher has to bring up Clinton by name to keep her in the conversation.

Huh? Maher repeatedly mentioned that he's not too excited about Hillary but that it's practical to take her over any Republican. I'm pretty sure he's praised Sanders constantly and would prefer if he was the frontrunner instead of her.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I thought Berrnie blew it pretty badly when Maher told him that even Vermont couldn't impose single payer. And was also pretty surprised he claimed that many socialistic programs weren't socialist. :confused:

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Bill was really off his game delivering his lines in last night's episode. There were quite a few times where he botched the delivery (moreso than usual).

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I haven't seen the episode, but I did watch Overtime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LUBBL9cU4c

And good god, Bill has become progressively more insufferable. Just look at the Christianity discussion, and even Cornell West is agreeing with him, he has to act like a dick about it. We all know he doesn't like religion (and neither do I) but there's no need to be needlessly douchey about it.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Super Deuce posted:

I haven't watched it, yet because HBOGO takes over a day to post it which is insane, but there is absolutely a reason to be "douchey" about religion.

Of course there is, but you need to be in the right context/setting in order to do so.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

ApexAftermath posted:

Bill Maher's tv show is not this place? The man made a film utterly destroying religion.

I don't mean the show, I meant the timing. Like, look at the OT bit when Cornell West tries to come to Bill's aid while also trying to be polite to Reed. Maher even attacked him for believing in fairy tales and such, even though the original question that prompted the (now derailed) discussion was about who Evangelical voters would vote for.

If the discussion was about religion vs. reason or something, then yeah that would be one thing. But Bill just started attacking the Bible for no reason.



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Bill wants Obama to appear on the show while he's still in office for his 60th birthday and started a White House petition.

I never understood why Obama never made an appearance, even after Maher donated a million dollars to his campaign. Hell, he even went on Bill O'Reilly's show!

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

That pro-Trump chick was weird. Saying that Trump supporters at rallies were angry and passionate because of Citizens United and cause Insurance companies were free from anti-trust legislation? What the what? :psyboom:

Super Deuce posted:

John Oliver's content is fine, because of the format of his show. However, he and his comedy are terrible. He's simply not a funny man. Nearly anybody else would turn a bad show with interesting episodes into a good show.

Oliver was 100 times funnier on TDS. I don't really find him that amusing on LWT. Probably cause he laughs a lot for some reason.


edit: Btw, I know this is a few pages old now, but how is Bill able to get away smoking a joint on live television (twice!)? I mean, I know weed is decriminalized in Cali, but it's still a problem on the federal level.

Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Mar 12, 2016

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Imagine if the government somehow got their hands on your social security number! :ohdear:

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Oh man, that New Rules segment was painful to watch. Probably the most awkward I've ever seen Maher on his own show.

PT6A posted:

I'm extremely disconcerted about how much I don't hate John Avlon in this. He's always been such a twit, and he's... not... here.


Yeah, thought the same. Of course, Avlon is generally on better behavior on a liberal program. He's smart enough to realize it wouldn't be a good idea to piss of the audience. Same with Matt Welch.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

TheOmegaWalrus posted:

Me agreeing with Rick Santorum's positions over Rob Reiner was something I never thought possible.

Thank you Bill Maher.

When this show comes back on the air, I will no longer count myself as a viewer. For years I used to tune in for my weekly political outrage dose and generally learn something in the process but the discourse the past year or so has just gotten too stupid, too basic. When Assange came on this episode and pointed out Maher's Clinton donation, I clapped and was tempted to end episode right then and there.

The strings behind the show are just becoming way too obvious.

Whoa there, kimosabe. What did Santorum say that was so insightful?

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Ugh, the past two interviews Bill had with Coulter have been utterly horrible. He's essentially let her steamroll him at every opportunity. And here I was excited to watch this episode too.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

What the hell have they done to the theme song? :aaa:

Also, I don't know why but the funniest joke of the night to me was "if I wanted to be bored in a tent, I'd go camping".

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Yeah, I didn't like all that other stuff either.

Why is it so hard for people to subscribe to the "if it ain't broke, don't loving fix it" mentality?

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Oh I forgot to whine about something else. What the hell was the deal with Maher saying it was totally fine to gut the Department of Education because it's only been around since 1980? That is one of the dumbest arguments in favor of getting rid of a cabinet agency I've ever heard. The EPA was created just a few years before that. Should we get rid of that too? I was honestly stunned that he was making that argument.

Bass Bottles posted:

The old theme song was honestly obnoxious and I thought the new version was.... less so.

Okay, if you didn't like the the original theme, that's fine. But more obnoxious? That's how I feel about the new one. It's much louder, with that weird, annoying distortion effect that's popular with post 2010 pop music for some reason.

I will say this, though. The original theme had more of a rap/hip hop feel that I wouldn't expect would be fitting for a political commentary show hosted by a White Jewish guy. But it was catchy, dang it!

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Zogo posted:

The new theme song was written by the same guy that did the old one. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0717212/



Oh, I'm aware. But that doesn't make it right, dammit it!

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Don't really have much to say about tonight's episode aside from the fact that Tomi barely said a word all throughout (which some might consider a good thing) and Maher loving up his own argument on the Supreme Court appointments. Whatever the hell Biden said in the 90s has ZERO relevance to what went on last year. Democratic majorities in the senate allowed both Reagan AND Bush I to appoint their justices. That's all that matters. It's particularly infuriating cause Bill's a pretty smart guy, yet he falls into these dumb traps constantly.

WaryWarren posted:

The only reason she (or any other attractive female) was on the show is because Bill is either actively tappin' dat rear end or he is desperately trying to. Too bad Matt Taibbi cockblocked Bill and Rob Lowe, re: Pussy Riot.

Eh, Tomi's a moron, but she's an incredibly popular moron. I don't think there's anything unusual about someone like her being on the show.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Gimmedaroot posted:

Another disappointing episode, but hell...Maher still doesn't understand the difference between booing and the crowd saying "oooo" as in :iceburn: when a joke cuts hard. Its a loving compliment, but he starts cursing out the audience:"oh gently caress you, don't start with me", and "liberals are so loving sensitive". Even as kids, if you are putting down each other or making jokes on the playground, we knew the loving difference. You start to look as infantile as Trump when you curse out your own audience who isn't even against you because you are that sensitive.

Yeah, it's honestly getting loving annoying.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Former Human posted:

Bill or his staff really need to do a better job researching the positions and claims of the guests ahead of time. Grover tried to claim the national debt was, at least partly, due to FICA and Medicare. All Bill had to do was spend one sentence explaining the difference between payroll tax and income tax to shut him down.

Also Grover's hero Ronald Reagan raised taxes eleven times while still tripling deficit spending.

Either Grover isn't a tax expert like he thinks or he's just a liar.

Well, Bill did point out that Reagan tripled the debt, so he didn't totally let him get away with his bullshit.

And of course Grover's a liar. He's been dealing with people who point out these inconvenient facts for years (decades even, probably) and he still tries to pull the same bullshit every single time.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Wasn't that douchebag Milo supposed to be on this week?

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Super Deuce posted:

I'm watching this Van Jones episode with Bill, and it's hard to watch. Not because of the answers or topics, but because it's some kind of weird politics oriented daytime talk show. This show is bad.

I thought it was odd how Bill has never heard exactly what Milo has done until this point.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

That was a very disappointing, but not unsurprising interview. I knew from the beginning Maher had no intention of calling Milo out for his horseshit. The whole idea to begin with was to show that both he and Milo care about "free speech" and that they could bond over the fact that both of them got protested at Berkeley.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Milo might be a giant turd, but he did get into Cambridge. Credit where credit's due I guess.

punk rebel ecks posted:

Man, New Rules was painful. They just do not understand what is going on and how to handle it.

"Every time we do something "wrong", no matter how slight, the right doesn't shut the gently caress up. But when they something wrong, even if it is massive, when we point it out the right doesn't give a poo poo and hates us! Why?" :iiam:

Because they don't give a gently caress. They don't trust Democrats so no matter what a Democrat says or does they will think they are full of poo poo. They favor Republicans so it doesn't matter what Republicans do, the right will always forgive or even shrug them off. The entire American left's response to this should tell the right to just go gently caress themselves and not even play their game. But unfortunately much of the left is obsessed with this "being the bigger man" bullshit as they actively want to work with these psychopaths. Obama's presidency was basically defined by the push toward this and how much of an utmost disaster it was. The party has too many old school thinkers on board, they need to be replaced.

Eh? He's not confused, he knows full well that Republicans are hypocritical, shameless shitheads, but he's just pointing it out. I thought it was actually one of his best segments.

DoggPickle posted:

I will outright admit that I had never even heard of this Milo person until about 8 days ago. I was watching something that I can't remember on youtube and there was a linked video with this guy with an enticing title, and then I spent about 4 hours glued to the computer, watching this incredibly delusional person whilst simultaneously realizing that he is a senior editor of a right-wing website that apparently gets a ton of followers. It wasn't until after that, that I saw that he would be on Maher.

It only took about 20 minutes to figure out his shtick. He's a self-hating gay with absolutely no consistent views of any kind, but he manages to always hit some points that engage the irritation of normal people, like Political Correctness at it's worst, and he also uses his own "Gayness" to seem hip and cool and wall himself off from a lot of criticism, and he uses his funny cattiness to say horrible things under the guise that it is okay, and he's gay, so it's just what they DO. And his admittedly quick whit, and his accent make people think that he is smarter than he actually is, when in general he is saying nothing or something entirely lovely.

I don't think that Bill didn't do his homework, but that it is just REALLY HARD to have a conversation with someone like that. It could have been a better interview, but what exactly was Bill supposed to say?

I don't think so. Yeah, Milo might have been all over the place, but Bill still did an exceptionally poor job of taking him on. There was hardly any pushback whatsoever. When Milo attacked Lena Dunham, and Sarah Silverman, Maher just said he doesn't want to talk about them and moved on. When he said that transgender people commit more sexual crimes, Bill just nodded like a goober. When Milo said that conservatives are the party of free speech, he didn't say a goddamned word.

Of course, the underlying problem here is not that Maher was outclassed, but rather he had no interest in debating Milo to begin with.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I'm not a fan of Lena Dunham (and her bizarre need to constantly show the world her naked self) either, but between her and Milo, she's the lesser of two evils.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

What the gently caress was up with the music? I thought it was due to weird audio issues cause I saw the episode on one of those random youtube channels that distort video/audio so they don't get taken down (not sure how that even works), but it looks like they actually changed the music itself.

And I know Bill said it was his decision to only have two people on the panel, but it felt....really, really off. Hope he never does that again.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Tonight's New Rules sucked.

Also, seriously, what the gently caress are they doing with the music? Ever since this new season's started, it feels like they have some new, lovely remix that's worse than the week before.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

punk rebel ecks posted:

Bill Maher truly is an old man yelling at cloud with New Rules.

Yeah, what the hell was that?

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

So is the three person panel thing totally dead now?

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I was hoping that Maher would ask that former WSJ dude about climate change, but of course they bonded over how they make both sides angry. Ugh.

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Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Bill's really worrying me as of late. He's advocated for privatizing SS on overtime. :smith:

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