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Theantero posted:I should be able to kill either the Von Luckner or the Brutus by myself this turn, especially if I focus with the Battlemaster. I feel like the Von Luckner is the more dangerous of the two. I can always nominate called shots on the Brutus as a contingency. I'll definitely be revisiting the Von Luckner for another round of PPC fire. So, compatriots, based on PTN's response I'd say it's marginal. Waiting until next turn isn't quite as attractive as I thought now that I noticed the minimum range on the AC/5s. There's multiple targets in short range this turn. Having the turrets active could disrupt the heavy lance's advance briefly as they may be reluctant to step into the fire zone, not because the turrets are so nasty but because they can't be certain there's not another trap awaiting them.
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If they stall the enemy force in a relative sweet spot for you guys and let the tanks get finished off/wittled down that's a pretty decent win. You didn't really want any of those slabs of armor trundling through the gate first.
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Gwaihir posted:You're overheating enough to get MP penalties at this point- Just be careful not to fire both ERMLs so you can sink off some of that heat. Maybe even hold off on both of them if you are planning to unload with the TSEMPs next turn. Just going to fire off the LRMs. Those and walking should get me to 0 heat next turn. Psion posted:the objectives are to get as many kills as you can, really - I'd say kill chasing is probably a better idea here than in most scenarios. Make the Brutus explode. Make everything explode. That's why I want to go after the Huron Warrior - 7 CT armor is almost too good to pass up.
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Well, I decided to attack the Von Luckner with called shots on the front armor of the immobilized Brutus as a contingency. If any of you folk vehemently disagree, feel free to try and convince me otherwise before the deadline strikes. Also, I feel this might be a good turn to activate the turrets.
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I'd probably just primary the Brutus with your gauss and lasers I think. Yea, the lasers are at max range, but they should still poo poo on 4s. (4 base + 4 range - 4 Immobilized target). (Ask PTN or someone else to double check range though- I'm really bad at counting it up. I think the Brutus is at range 12 from you, but I'm not sure.) e: The Battlemaster and the Turret closest to the base can probably kill the Von Luckner while the two left side guys can try and put down the Huron Warrior. Hmmm although the Gauss Demolisher has no move mod and is I think in medium range of the Viking... Decisions decisions. That's a really damned tempting target. It has a big pile of armor, but if you mobility kill it outside the compound then it's totally useless. Gwaihir fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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The only surefire way for the Battlemaster to kill the Von Luckner by itself is if it hits the front with both of its PPCs. It will be relying on crits otherwise.
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Oct 5, 2015 23:00
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Gwaihir posted:they should still poo poo on 4s.  freudian slip?
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PoptartsNinja posted:The Capellans can target them now, they just have more important targets. Do not listen to this man, he is your enemy. Unless of course that what he wants you to think and is using reverse psychology to trick you into not activating those turrets. Course, what if he knows that you know that and that's actually what he wants you to think, in which case you should... PoptartsNinja posted:I am? I'm onto your little mind games you puppet-master, you! 
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Theantero posted:Well, I decided to attack the Von Luckner with called shots on the front armor of the immobilized Brutus as a contingency. If any of you folk vehemently disagree, feel free to try and convince me otherwise before the deadline strikes. I agree. The extra fire on the Von Luckner may be needed, too. PTN, I assume we need to send you PMs to activate the turrets?
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So the turrets will nail the Von Luckner, the Brutus, and the Cataphract this turn if you activate them. Doesn't seem too bad, excepting the pristine armor on the cataphract. And you potentially gently caress with their movement for a turn or two, locking them up inside a nice range bracket.
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Narsham posted:I agree. The extra fire on the Von Luckner may be needed, too. PTN, I assume we need to send you PMs to activate the turrets? Indeed. And I need at least two people to do so, for fairness sake.
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Just caught up with 2 years of posts, and I gotta say, glad crabs are still awesome and also glad to have seen all the dead elementals.
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Just sent my orders in: backing up to 0629, firing on the Huron Warrior, and asking to activate the turrets.
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Laager: Tactical Update 7 Demi-Precentor Pradhan stood at ease as he gazed out the large transplex windows atop the turret control tower. It was a shame ComStar’s last bastion on Abadan had been left incomplete. He should’ve had a dozen turrets on all sides of various types and enough overlapping fields of fire to daunt a full battalion. Instead he had three, not counting the interior defenses, and a tower intended for a dozen technicians that could be operated by a single determined man. The tower’s targeting system was simple enough: a neurohelmet let him feed targets directly to an up-scaled version of a BattleMech’s DI computer and that same computer handled the rest. He could’ve even left the system on automatic if it weren’t for the DI computer’s tendency to fixate on certain targets and continue tracking and firing on them even after they’d moved out of range. Demi-Precentor Pradhan wasn’t too picky. As long as he made sure the computer fired on targets it could actually hit he’d let it have its way. The Capellan Confederation’s inexorable advance showed their determination to simply overrun the facility’s defenders. They had a numerical advantage even if most of their machines were slow, and if they attacked aggressively enough the ComGuard `Mechs wouldn’t be able to put them down fast enough. One of the enemy’s tanks rolled to a stop less than thirty meters from one of the still inactive turrets, its PPCs firing a hasty shot that passed less than a meter over the Catapult’s head. Well, it wasn’t like there was much point delaying further and the computer couldn’t ask for an easier shot than that. Pradhan raised a hand, brushing his control lectern and bringing the turrets out of standby. ComStar had let slip that the massive power generator they’d installed was simply too much for their incomplete and never-to-be-finished turret grid to handle and that the gun emplacements were more a show to deter pirates than a real defensive tool. That they’d turned around and sold much of the excess power to cities hundreds of kilometers away had lent credence to those rumors, if they didn’t need the power for their turrets they might as well make some money on it. With the press of a button, the Demi-Precentor opened those circuits, cutting power to much of the east coast. The loss of access to ComStar’s generator would undoubtedly overwhelm civilian facilities resulting in rolling brown-outs or worse if the Capellan Confederation’s ill-trained technicians let any of their power plants go critical. Pradhan didn’t care, ComStar needed that power more. The sudden surge fast-charged an array of capacitors buried in the earth beneath each turret. The capacitors were hardly needed for the turret mechanisms, and a light autocannon required so little power to command it was a wonder anyone had believed ComStar’s ruse in the first place. One didn’t need a generator capable of powering half a continent for a turret grid, and light autocannons were hardly an adequate defense. The turret status flashed green as the capacitors beneath reached full charge and dumped their power directly into the carefully disguised weapon ComStar had always pretended were simple autocannons. The turrets sparked as they fired, venting static and flooding the electromagnetic spectrum with omnidirectional noise that would’ve looked to a casual observer like they’d simply been overwhelmed by the excess power and shut down. The shots they fired were nearly invisible to the naked eye, a faint shimmer likely lost in the flashy degaussing. Only Pradhan and the other ComGuards would’ve had a good view of the fusillade, their computers would recognized the telltale discharge of a Tight-Stream EMP and ‘paint’ a beam on the inside of their neurohelmets to properly display the shots. With no frame of reference, the Capellans wouldn’t have the same luxury. Demi-Precentor Pradhan smiled. Five hits and six shots, and at least one Cataphract pilot who’d be wondering what the hell had gone wrong with his machine. Better still the Capellans might not have even realized the turrets were firing on them. They weren’t fools and it wouldn’t take long before they came to associate the “overloading” of the turrets with their machines shutting down but for now, unless someone had been watching very closely, ComGuard still had surprise on their side.   Shooting Phase BattleMaster (Player) - Fires ER PPC at Von Luckner (4 base + 2 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement = 7): rolled 3, miss! - Fires ER PPC at Von Luckner (4 base + 2 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement = 7): rolled 5, miss! - Gains 30 heat, sinks 34 Viking (Player) - Fires Artemis IV LRM-20 at Brutus (PPC) (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement = 8): rolled 8, 16 missiles hit Front (52/57 armor remaining), Front (47/57 armor remaining), Front (42/57 armor remaining), Front (41/57 armor remaining)! - Fires Artemis IV LRM-15 at Brutus (PPC) (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement = 8): rolled 6, miss! - Fires Artemis IV LRM-15 at Brutus (PPC) (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement = 8): rolled 7, miss! - Gains 17 heat, sinks 20 Catapult II (Player) - Fires LRM-20 at Huron Warrior (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement = 8): rolled 6, miss! - Fires LRM-20 at Huron Warrior (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement = 8): rolled 6, miss! - Gains 13 heat, sinks 20! Legacy (Player) - Torso-twists to threaten hex 1928! - Fires Gauss Rifle at Von Luckner (4 base + 2 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement = 7): rolled 8, hit Front (0/41 armor, 0/8 structure remaining)! Vehicle destroyed! - Fires Gauss Rifle at Von Luckner (4 base + 2 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement = 7): rolled 11, hit Front (TAC!)! - Fires ER Medium Laser at Von Luckner (4 base + 4 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement = 9): rolled 5, miss! - Fires ER Medium Laser at Von Luckner (4 base + 4 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement = 9): rolled 6, miss! - Fires Streak SRM-2 at Von Luckner (4 base + 4 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement = 9): rolled 2, fails to lock-on! - Gains 12 heat, sinks 20 “Light Autocannon” Turret 1020 - Fires TSEMP at Brutus (PPC) (5 base + 0 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 12, hit! - Fires TSEMP at Brutus (PPC) (5 base + 0 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 6, hit! “Light Autocannon” Turret 1625 - Fires TSEMP at Brutus (5 base + 2 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement = 8): rolled 7, miss! - Fires TSEMP at Brutus (5 base + 0 range + 0 movement + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 10, hit! “Light Autocannon” Turret 2021 - Fires TSEMP at Cataphract (5 base + 0 range + 0 movement + 2 enemy movement = 7): rolled 10, hit! - Fires TSEMP at Cataphract (5 base + 0 range + 0 movement + 2 enemy movement = 7): rolled 6, miss! Lao Hu - Fires ER Large Laser at Gate 1628 (4 base + 4 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 6): rolled 8, hit (80/140 CF Remaining)! - Fires LRM-15 at Gate 1628 (4 base + 4 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 6): rolled 10, 6 missiles hit (74/140 CF remaining)! - Gains 14 heat, sinks 20! Cataphract - Fires ER PPC at Legacy (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 9): rolled 11, hit head! Edge burned! - - hit Left Torso (17/27 armor remaining)! - Fires LB 10-X Autocannon (Slug) at Legacy (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 9): rolled 5, miss! - Gains 19 heat, sinks 32! Archer - Fires Artemis LRM-15 at Gate 1628 (4 base + 4 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 6): rolled 4, miss! - Fires Artemis LRM-15 at Gate 1628 (4 base + 4 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 6): rolled 9, 15 missiles hit (59/140 CF remaining)! Gains 14 heat, sinks 24! Rifleman II - Holds fire! Huron Warrior - Fires Gauss Rifle at Viking (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 9): rolled 6, miss! - Gains 2 heat, sinks 11! Snake - Torso-twists to threaten hex 0917! - Fires LB-10X Autocannon (Slug) at Catapult (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 1 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 10): rolled 8, miss! - Gains 4 heat, sinks 22! Helios - Fires Gauss Rifle at Legacy (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 1 partial cover = 9): rolled 8, miss! Wolverine - Fires ER Large Laser at Gate 1628 (4 base + 4 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 6): rolled 10, hit (51/140 CF remaining)! - Gained 14 heat, sinks 24! Von Luckner - Fires Autocannon/20 at Gate 1628 (4 base + 4 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 6): rolled 9, hit (31/140 CF remaining)! - Fires SRM-6 at Gate 1628 (4 base + 4 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 6): rolled 7, 2 missiles hit (27/140 CF remaining)! - Fires SRM-6 at Gate 1628 (4 base + 4 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 6): rolled 7, 4 missiles hit (19/140 CF remaining)! - Fires SRM-4 at Gate 1628 (4 base + 4 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 6): rolled 8, 3 missiles hit (13/140 CF remaining)! Brutus - Fires Large Laser at Gate 1628 (4 base + 2 range + 0 movement - 4 enemy movement = 4): rolled 9, hit (5/140 CF remaining)! - Fires Large Laser at Gate 1628 (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 4): rolled 8, hit (0/140 CF remaining)! Gate breached! - Fires LRM-20 at Gate 1628 (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 4): rolled 8, 12 missiles hit! Brutus (PPC) - Fires PPC at Catapult II (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 9): rolled 5, miss! - Fires PPC at Catapult II (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 9): rolled 3, miss! Demolisher (Gauss) - Fires Gauss Rifle at Viking (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 9): rolled 11, hit Right Leg (damage blocked)! - Fires Gauss Rifle at Viking (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 1 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 9): rolled 9, hit Right Leg (damage blocked)! End Phase Brutus (PPC) - Vehicle Shutdown chance: rolled 5, no effect! - Vehicle Shutdown chance: rolled 6 + 1 second hit = 7, Brutus (PPC) suffers heavy interference! Brutus - Vehicle Shutdown chance: rolled 8, vehicle shuts down! Cataphract - Shutdown chance: rolled 10, shuts down! Next Turn’s Movement Phase Wolverine - Activates MASC!   Player Status:  Allied Status  Opposing Force Status:    Mission Objective: - Hurt them (1/3) - - Hurt them more (0/6) - - - Teach them the Word (0/9) Secondary Objectives: - Defend the Turret Control Tower (0/1) - Defend the Administration Building (0/1) - Keep enemy `Mechs out of the `Mechbay (0/1) Special Rules:  Construction Zones – Unless the hex states otherwise, all construction zones count as light woods. Reload Point – ComStar’s technicians are very motivated and have six tons of LRM reloads available. They can reload 2 tons of LRM ammo per turn spent inside the Mechbay. The Legacy isn’t built for quick reloads, but the technicians may be able to supply it with one additional ton of gauss rifle ammo. If only one `Mech is in the Mechbay the technicians will also replace damaged armor plates, restoring the armor on all damaged sections up to the nearest multiple of 5. If a section is already at a multiple of five, its armor cannot be restored. Hidden Assets – The light autocannon turrets are currently in low-power standby mode. ComStar has always maintained up rumors that the power grid supporting them is incomplete or somehow insufficient to power them. They will not open fire until at least two players request their activation on the same turn. This deception may be detected by enemy units with a Beagle Active Probe.Orders Due: Midnight Saturday!
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I hope nobody actually thought I was going to make the players try to hold this off with only 420 BV of AC/5s backing them up. 
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Oct 7, 2015 22:01
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Wait. The turrets were TSEMPs? Haha, that's awesome.
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Heh, nice surprise. Well, you've got a shut down Cat just sitting there begging to die. Why not oblige him?
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Oooooooooooo, that's nice. TSEMPs for everyone!
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Oct 7, 2015 22:07
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Nice! ComStar is just full of tricks.
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Shoot the Cataphract. SHOOT THE CATAPHRACT.
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That Wolverine is going to be in your base, killing your doods next turn.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:14
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's brilliant.
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Oh man that loving Wolverine. I dunno guys you really gotta start landing more hits. Especially now that we've lost 2 points of edge.
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Space AT&T pretending to sell their power generators all over the planet but in reality leaving them linked to the base's power grid and then draining power from an entire continent to turn on the fun while risking brown outs or meltdowns is basically  /  Great fluff!
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 So there is this cataphract just BEGGING to die right now.
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Sooooooo... those "SRM Launchers" guarding the gate....
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Ice Fist posted:Sooooooo... those "SRM Launchers" guarding the gate.... Infernos. If they get that far inside the Sanctuary of the Blessed Blake, bathe them all in sacred flames.
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Tactical nukes.
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Weren't the turrets Gunnery 4 in the previous update? Or are they G5 now to reflect the TSEMP "you just fired byebye aim next turn" penalty? That was some bad rear end fluff for this turn too, drat! So, players, the Cataphract has both tissue paper left and right torso armor, and an XL engine + ammo in the RT. You know what to do!!
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PoptartsNinja posted:ComStar had let slip that the massive power generator they’d installed was simply too much for their incomplete and never-to-be-finished turret grid to handle and that the gun emplacements were more a show to deter pirates than a real defensive tool. That they’d turned around and sold much of the excess power to cities hundreds of kilometers away had lent credence to those rumors, if they didn’t need the power for their turrets they might as well make some money on it. With the press of a button, the Demi-Precentor opened those circuits, cutting power to much of the east coast. The loss of access to ComStar’s generator would undoubtedly overwhelm civilian facilities resulting in rolling brown-outs or worse if the Capellan Confederation’s ill-trained technicians let any of their power plants go critical. Just a nitpick, but nuclear power plants WANT to be critical. The bad state is super critical (technically prompt super critical is the really bad one but every nuclear plant in the world is designed so that can't happen).
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Olothreutes posted:Just a nitpick, but nuclear power plants WANT to be critical. The bad state is super critical (technically prompt super critical is the really bad one but every nuclear plant in the world is designed so that can't happen). These are fusion plants and not fission though, and battletech runs off pure distilled 80s.
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PoptartsNinja posted:I hope nobody actually thought I was going to make the players try to hold this off with only 420 BV of AC/5s backing them up. As soon as I read the description I just bust out laughing HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Gwaihir posted:Weren't the turrets Gunnery 4 in the previous update? Or are they G5 now to reflect the TSEMP "you just fired byebye aim next turn" penalty? They were always G5 (or they were always supposed to be, I might've typo'd. They're just computer controlled so they can't aim well). Olothreutes posted:Just a nitpick, but nuclear power plants WANT to be critical. The bad state is super critical (technically prompt super critical is the really bad one but every nuclear plant in the world is designed so that can't happen). I didn't say anything about nuclear power plants.
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PoptartsNinja posted:I didn't say anything about nuclear power plants. It's still pretty funny to imagine Comstar causing meltdowns across a planet
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AtomikKrab posted:These are fusion plants and not fission though, and battletech runs off pure distilled 80s. The term "critical" as applied to nuclear stuff just means a 1 to 1 replacement ratio of neutrons that cause fission events. Basically each fission releases a few neutrons and on average one of those causes another fission. Fusion doesn't rely on neutrons at all, so the term is meaningless in that context. Also with a fusion plant you just turn off the magnets and the plasma dissipates. Or you shut off the lasers and stop feeding targets into the ICF chamber. However much space 80's there is, I still care about this stuff. PoptartsNinja posted:I didn't say anything about nuclear power plants. Fair point. I just never hear the term used outside of nuclear, and most of the time I hear it misused when applied to nuclear.
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