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Gwaihir posted:The Huron Warrior is probably the best target, since it only got a +2 move mod, has the dangerous Gauss Rifle, and has relatively light armor. Agreed. Also, perhaps I should jump to 1129 instead, since it'll leave me safe from a bunch of nasty crap, like the short range of the Huron's gauss, whilst still being in short range of the Lao Hu with my own gauss and mediums lasers.
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Theantero posted:Agreed. Yea, let the relatively undamaged Viking get exposed to the Huron Warrior for now, your gauss rifle is really important to protect as long as there are shutdown targets for Goonlance to try and drill to incapacitate.
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And now we all know why Comstar won on Tukayyid.
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raverrn posted:And now we all know why Comstar won on Tukayyid. Eh winning because almost all the Clans who showed up were morons makes sense to me too.
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jng2058 posted:Eh winning because almost all the Clans who showed up were morons makes sense to me too. Just think: the Clans that didn't show up are even dumber than that. The Homeworld Clans thought that "the IS troops use dishonorable tactics!" was just something the Invaders made up as an excuse. Just to reiterate, they thought the IS troops fought under Clan rules until the 3060s.
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Defiance Industries posted:Just think: the Clans that didn't show up are even dumber than that. The Homeworld Clans thought that "the IS troops use dishonorable tactics!" was just something the Invaders made up as an excuse. In a sense, they did fight under clan rules. The rear end in a top hat who can get away with the most dodgy bullshit wins. They just didn't think the IS could out bullshit their magic ray guns and PURE RETARD STRENGTH.
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I feel obligated to point out that while the Clans are clearly a league above, several stockpiles of Star League-grade retard strength had indeed managed to survive the Succession Wars throughout the history of the Inner Sphere and were fiercely coveted by mercenaries, noble scions, and ComStar.
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Well, I decided to jump to 1129 and shoot all my remaining weaponry at the Lao Hu, calling shots at the Right Torso.
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Defiance Industries posted:The Homeworld Clans thought that "the IS troops use dishonorable tactics!" was just something the Invaders made up as an excuse. There's kind of a good reason for "honor" based BV caps and bidding and stuff, given the scarcity of Mech resources, until their isn't, at which point you're boned.
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Defiance Industries posted:Just think: the Clans that didn't show up are even dumber than that. The Homeworld Clans thought that "the IS troops use dishonorable tactics!" was just something the Invaders made up as an excuse. To be fair, one of the two wins in the Great Refusal WAS by a Homeworld Clan. Admittedly it was by possibly the most pragmatic Clan of them all, who structures their Touman and tactics in a far more modern military sense than any of the others, but a win is a win. And the other win was by a Clan that did stick to Zellbrigen for that fight, though doing so was very deliberate decision. The fact that both also made wise terrain choices and actually made use of the terrain helped too.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:I feel obligated to point out that while the Clans are clearly a league above, several stockpiles of Star League-grade retard strength had indeed managed to survive the Succession Wars throughout the history of the Inner Sphere and were fiercely coveted by mercenaries, noble scions, and ComStar. I love the idea of "Star League-grade retard strength".  Now if only THAT were canon.
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Just submitted my orders for the Viking. I'm walking to 1330, and firing 2 LRM 20s and 1 LRM 15 at the Huron Warrior, and all of my lasers and machine guns at the Lao Hu.
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Devorum posted:Just submitted my orders for the Viking. I'm really hoping that the MGs make the kill on the Lao Hu here, because machine guns.
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Lord Koth posted:To be fair, one of the two wins in the Great Refusal WAS by a Homeworld Clan. Admittedly it was by possibly the most pragmatic Clan of them all, who structures their Touman and tactics in a far more modern military sense than any of the others, but a win is a win. And the other win was by a Clan that did stick to Zellbrigen for that fight, though doing so was very deliberate decision. The fact that both also made wise terrain choices and actually made use of the terrain helped too. First one sounds like the Hell's Horse, second is... Star Adder? A little rusty on that.
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Star Adder and the Falcons respectively, though I don't follow how the Star Adders are pragmatic, except perhaps politically.
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The Star Adders both encouraged sending the Wolf's Dragoons and actively studied every report. They were just about the only clan to bid like they had a clue and that cost them their invasion slot.
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The Merry Marauder posted:Star Adder and the Falcons respectively, though I don't follow how the Star Adders are pragmatic, except perhaps politically. They don't really have a preference for any single branch of their forces, unlike most with battlemechs, Hell's Horses with mechanized, and Snow Ravens with aerospace. There's still the general battlemech bias that almost all forces in the universe have, but not to the extent that most Clans have. All three are generally integrated together into combined arms forces, and tanks aren't really looked down on. Hell, freeborns aren't particularly looked down on either. They also run one of their Galaxies as an OpFor force for training purposes, who are practicing Inner Sphere tactics by the time of the Great Refusal. In fact, their win was not exactly what you would consider Clanlike, as they baited a trap with a few points of armor and Elementals, then had them fall back in a feigned retreat before slamming into the pursuing forces from the side after they got somewhat strung out. Also, from the wiki and regarding Operation Revival: The Star Adders supported the Dragoon Compromise and studied their reports carefully. They spent less time politicking than other Crusaders and more time training for the return. When Operation Revival was being planned the Star Adders (uniquely among Crusaders) urged caution and bid in a manner that reflected their awareness of how difficult conquering the Inner Sphere would be. Their conservative bidding cost them their place in Operation Revival. And yeah, they tend to be rather politically savvy too. How they led Steel Viper blindly into its own Trial of Annihilation after letting them take the brunt of the wars that gave the Adders effective control of the homeworlds was rather amusing. Lord Koth fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Lord Koth posted:To be fair, one of the two wins in the Great Refusal WAS by a Homeworld Clan. Admittedly it was by possibly the most pragmatic Clan of them all, who structures their Touman and tactics in a far more modern military sense than any of the others, but a win is a win. And the other win was by a Clan that did stick to Zellbrigen for that fight, though doing so was very deliberate decision. The fact that both also made wise terrain choices and actually made use of the terrain helped too. Yeah, they'd been disabused of the notion when the SLDF showed up on Huntress in 3060 and they saw it for themselves. The Merry Marauder posted:Star Adder and the Falcons respectively, though I don't follow how the Star Adders are pragmatic, except perhaps politically. The Falcons, of course, won because if they ever experience a meaningful setback Robert Thurston will publicly kill himself.
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Well someone has to hold the bogeyman ball when the others keep dying.
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Defiance Industries posted:The Falcons, of course, won because if they ever experience a meaningful setback Robert Thurston will publicly kill himself. The first Thurston novel is "The Clans are hosed up, why are you idolizing them?" the novel. The other two are pointless filler involving entirely different characters who happen to share the same names. Edit:  Ok, that just happened.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Edit: 
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PoptartsNinja posted:Edit:
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I feel like falling into a triple engine TAC should be hard to top, but this are poptarts dice being rolled so let's just hold on and see.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Edit: The Dice. They hunger.
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PoptartsNinja posted:
 or  PLACE YOUR BETS NOW, FOLKS!
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Laager: Tactical Update 11 Arakiel didn’t hear the explosion. She didn’t even really feel it beyond the pressure that threatened to pop her eyeballs. The agonizing neural feedback as her Viking’s DI computer poo poo the proverbial brick drove spears of concentrated agony straight into her brain. A Neurohelmet did far more than simply read the workings of the inner ear. BattleMechs responded to thought and intent as much as any physical cockpit command. It wasn’t the severance of that neural link that was painful—it was the DI Computer’s confused attempts to re-establish that broken connection that hurt. A BattleMech ran more processes than Arakiel could name but nearly all of them relied on her brain. Stories had always persisted of pilots who’d burned out their brains using poorly-calibrated neurohelmets. Arakiel had never seen direct proof of that, but pilots died from falls and ammunition explosions all the time, often enough leaving perfectly healthy bodies. Just like the instant a JumpShip crossed into hyperspace an eternity passed in the blink of an eye. She wanted to vomit, to weep, and to pass out all at the same time. But she didn’t. Arakiel had a fight to win. She stared up at Abadan’s purplish sky through the Viking’s front canopy and started rocking her machine through the motions that would let her roll the basically limbless body back onto its feet. Blake willing she’d have time to rest after the fight was won. Or she’d died.   Movement Phase Catapult II (Player) - Must pass a piloting test or fall (jumped with crippled leg) (4 base + 1 actuator damage = 5): rolled 7, succeeds! Shooting Phase BattleMaster (Player) - Torso-twists to threaten hex 1830! - Fires ER PPC at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 0 range + 2 movement - 4 target movement = 2): automatic hit, rolled 9 to confirm. Hits Right Leg (18/28 armor remaining)! - Fires Large Pulse Laser at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement - 4 target movement - 2 pulse laser = 2): automatic hit, rolled 12 to confirm. Hits Left Torso (15/24 armor remaining)! - Fires Medium Laser at at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement - 4 target movement = 4): rolled 6, rolled 5 to confirm. Hits Center Torso (28/33 armor remaining)! - Fires Medium Laser at at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement - 4 target movement = 4): rolled 8, rolled 6 to confirm. Hits Right Torso (14/24 armor remaining)! - Fires Medium Laser at at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement - 4 target movement = 4): rolled 4, rolled 10 to confirm. Hits Left Leg (23/28 armor remaining)! - Gains 36 heat, sinks 34 Viking (Player) - Fires Artemis LRM-20 at Huron Warrior (4 base + 0 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 minimum range = 8): rolled 8, 20 missiles hit Left Arm (6/16 armor remaining), Left Torso (11/17 armor remaining), Right Leg (15/20 armor remaining), Center Torso (2/22 armor remaining)! - Fires Artemis LRM-20 at Huron Warrior (4 base + 0 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 minimum range = 8): rolled 8, 20 missiles hit Right Torso (7/17 armor remaining), Left Torso (6/17 armor remaining), Left Torso (1/17 armor remaining), Left Leg (15/20 armor remaining)! - Fires Artemis LRM-15 at Huron Warrior (4 base + 0 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 minimum range = 8): rolled 5, miss! - Fires Artemis LRM-15 at Huron Warrior (4 base + 0 range + 1 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 minimum range = 8): rolled 7, miss! - Fires Machine Gun at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement - 4 enemy movement + 1 secondary target = 4): rolled 9, rolled 10 to confirm, hit Center Torso (26/33 armor remaining)! - Fires Machine Gun at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement - 4 enemy movement + 1 secondary target = 4): rolled 5, rolled 12 to confirm, hit Left Torso (13/24 armor remaining)! - Fires Machine Gun at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement - 4 enemy movement + 1 secondary target = 4): rolled 11, rolled 11 to confirm, hit Left Arm (21/23 armor remaining)! - Fires Machine Gun at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 2 range + 1 movement - 4 enemy movement + 1 secondary target = 4): rolled 6, rolled 7 to confirm, hit Right Torso (12/24 armor remaining)! - Gains 33 heat, sinks 20 Overheating! Catapult II (Player) - Fires ER Medium Laser at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 2 range + 3 movement - 4 enemy movement + 2 heavy interference = 7): rolled 5, miss! - Fires ER Medium Laser at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 2 range + 3 movement - 4 enemy movement + 2 heavy interference = 7): rolled 9, rolled 9 to confirm, hit Center Torso (21/33 armor remaining)! - Gains 14 heat, sinks 20! Legacy (Player) - Fires Gauss Rifle at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 0 range + 3 movement - 4 enemy movement = 3): rolled 2, miss! - Fires ER Medium Laser at Lao Hu’s Right Torso (4 base + 0 range + 3 movement - 4 enemy movement = 3): rolled 12, rolls 4 to confirm, hit Left Arm (19/23 armor remaining)! - Fires ER Medium Laser at Lao Hu’s Left Arm (4 base + 0 range + 3 movement - 4 enemy movement = 3): rolled 7, rolls 3 to confirm, hit Left Arm (17/23 armor remaining)! - Fires Streak SRM-2 at Lao Hu (4 base + 2 range + 3 movement - 4 enemy movement = 5): rolled 10, 2 missiles hit Center Torso (19/21 armor remaining), Right Torso (10/24 armor remaining)! - Gains 13 heat, sinks 18 SRM-6 Turret 1730 - Fires SRM-6 (Inferno) at Brutus (PPC) (3 base + 0 range + 0 movement + 2 enemy movement = 5): rolled 8, 6 missiles hit Right Side, Turret, Turret, Front, Left Side, Left Side (why does this matter?)! SRM-6 Turret 1530 - Fires SRM-6 (Inferno) at Brutus (PPC) (3 base + 0 range + 0 movement + 2 enemy movement = 5): rolled 7, 4 missiles hit Front, Front, Front, Front (you’ll see)! Lao Hu - Shut down! - Gains 0 heat, sinks 20! Archer - Holds fire! - Gains 0 heat, sinks 24! Rifleman II - Holds fire! - Gains 0 heat, sinks 28! Huron Warrior - Fires Gauss Rifle at Viking (4 base + 0 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement = 6): rolled 6, hit Head (edge burned!) - - Hit Right Torso (0/15 armor remaining (TAC))! - Fires Medium Pulse Laser at Viking (4 base + 4 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement - 2 pulse laser = 8): rolled 9, hit Right Torso (13/19 structure remaining (Crit!))! - Gains 7 heat, sinks 11! Snake - Fires LB-10X Autocannon (Cluster) at Catapult II (4 base + 0 range + 3 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 partial cover - 1 cluster = 9): rolled 9, 6 submunitions hit Right Arm (13/18 armor remaining), Left Arm (17/18 armor remaining), Right Arm (12/18 armor remaining), Right Leg (damage blocked), Left Arm (16/18 armor remaining), Rear Right Torso (5/6 armor remaining)! - Fires Streak SRM-2 at Catapult II (4 base + 2 range + 3 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 12): rolled 8, miss! - Fires Streak SRM-2 at Catapult II (4 base + 2 range + 3 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 12): rolled 4, miss! - Fires Streak SRM-2 at Catapult II (4 base + 2 range + 3 movement + 2 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 12): rolled 9, miss! - Gains 9 heat, sinks 22! Wolverine - Fires ER Large Laser at BattleMaster (4 base + 0 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 7): rolled 10, hit Left Torso (19/28 armor remaining)! TAC! - Fires Medium Pulse Laser at BattleMaster (4 base + 0 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 partial cover - 2 pulse laser = 5): rolled 7, hit Right Arm (2/24 armor remaining)! TAC! - Fires SRM-6 at BattleMaster (4 base + 0 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 partial cover = 7): rolled 9, 4 missiles hit Center Torso (28/40 armor remaining), Right Arm (0/24 armor remaining), Left Torso (17/28 armor remaining), Left Leg (damage blocked)! - Gained 22 heat, sinks 24! Brutus - Holds fire! Brutus (PPC) - Fires SRM-6 at Turret 1530 (4 base + 0 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 2): automatic hit, 4 missiles hit Turret (13/15 armor remaining), Turret (11/15 armor remaining), Turret (9/15 armor remaining), Turret (7/15 armor remaining)! - Fires SRM-6 at Turret 1530 (4 base + 0 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 2): automatic hit, 5 missiles hit Right Side (13/15 armor remaining), Right Side (11/15 armor remaining), Right Side (9/15 armor remaining), Right Side (7/15 armor remaining), Turret (5/15 armor remaining)! - Fires SRM-2 at Turret 1530 (4 base + 0 range + 2 movement - 4 enemy movement = 2): automatic hit, 2 missiles hit Right Side (5/15 armor remaining), Turret (3/15 armor remaining)! Demolisher (Gauss) - Holds fire! End Phase Viking (Player) - Through-armor critical chance in Right Torso! 3 critical hits sustained - - LRM-15 Ammo Hit! Ammo explodes! - - - Viking suffers 2 pilot hits due to ammo explosion! - - - Viking suffers 75 damage to Right Torso (0/19 structure remaining)! Torso destroyed! - - - - CASE vents 62 damage harmlessly! - - - - Right Arm blown off! - - Torso destroyed, Critical Chance transfers to Center Torso! - - - Engine hit! +5 heat/turn! - - Torso destroyed, Critical Chance transfers to Center Torso! - - - Engine hit! +10 heat/turn! - Critical chance in Right Torso! No critical hits sustained! - Must pass a 5+ consciousness test: rolled 7, succeeds! - Must make a piloting test or fall (4 base + 1 massive damage = 5): rolled 3, fails! - - Suffers 9 damage to Center Torso (28/33 armor remaining), Left Arm (26/30 armor remaining)! - Must make a piloting test to avoid pilot damage (4 base + 1 massive damage + 2 avoiding damage = 7): rolled 5, fails! - Must pass a 7+ consciousness test: rolled 11, succeeds! BattleMaster (Player) - Through-armor critical chance in Left Torso! No critical hits sustained! - Through-armor critical chance in Right Arm! 2 critical hits sustained! - - Double Heat Sink hit! - - ER PPC hit! - Must make a piloting test or fall (4 base + 1 massive damage = 5): rolled 4, fails! - - Suffers 8 damage to Rear Left Torso (3/8 armor remaining), Left Leg (23/26 armor remaining)! - Must make a piloting test to avoid pilot damage (4 base + 1 massive damage + 2 avoiding damage = 7): rolled 9, succeeds! Lao Hu - Must make a piloting test or fall (4 base + 1 massive damage + automatic fall = automatic fall): automatic fall! - - Suffers 7 damage to Rear Center Torso (5/10 armor remaining), Rear Left Torso (5/7 armor remaining)! - Must make a piloting test to avoid pilot damage (4 base + 1 massive damage + 2 avoiding damage + automatic fall = automatic fall): automatic fall! - Must pass a 3+ consciousness test: rolled 8, succeeds! Huron Warrior - Must make a piloting test or fall (4 base + 1 massive damage = 5): rolled 9, succeeds! Brutus (PPC) - Inferno Critical chance in Right Side! (7 - 2 = 5) No critical hit sustained! - Inferno Critical chance in Turret! (8 - 2 = 6) Stabilizer hit! - Inferno Critical chance in Turret! (6 - 2 = 4) No critical hit sustained! - Inferno Critical chance in Front! (2 - 2 = 0) No critical hit sustained! - Inferno Critical chance in Left Side! (9 - 2 = 7) Crew Stunned! - Inferno Critical chance in Left Side! (11 - 2 = 9) Engine hit! Vehicle immobilized, energy weapons disabled! - Inferno Critical chance in Front! (2 - 2 = 0) No critical hit sustained! - Inferno Critical chance in Front! (10 - 2 = 8) Stabilizer hit! - Inferno Critical chance in Front! (8 - 2 = 6) Driver hit! +2 Driving! - Inferno Critical chance in Front! (12 - 2 = 10) Commander hit! +1 ToHit! +1 Driving! Physical Combat Phase: Catapult II (Player) - Kicks Lao Hu (4 base + 3 movement - 4 enemy movement - 2 kick + 2 actuator damage = 3): rolled 2, miss!  End Phase: Catapult II - Must pass a piloting test or fall (4 base + 0 missed kick + 1 actuator damage = 5): rolled 9, succeeds! Next Turn’s Movement Phase Lao Hu - Attempts to Stand (4 base = 4): rolled 11, succeeds! Wolverine - Activates MASC!   Player Status:  Allied Status  Opposing Force Status:    Mission Objective: - Hurt them (complete) - - Hurt them more (4/6) - - - Teach them the Word (4/9) Secondary Objectives: - Defend the Turret Control Tower (0/1) - Defend the Administration Building (0/1) - Keep enemy `Mechs out of the `Mechbay (0/1) Special Rules:  Construction Zones – Unless the hex states otherwise, all construction zones count as light woods. Reload Point – ComStar’s technicians are very motivated and have six tons of LRM reloads available. They can reload 2 tons of LRM ammo per turn spent inside the Mechbay. The Legacy isn’t built for quick reloads, but the technicians may be able to supply it with one additional ton of gauss rifle ammo. If only one `Mech is in the Mechbay the technicians will also replace damaged armor plates, restoring the armor on all damaged sections up to the nearest multiple of 5. If a section is already at a multiple of five, its armor cannot be restored. Hidden Assets – The light autocannon turrets are currently in low-power standby mode. ComStar has always maintained up rumors that the power grid supporting them is incomplete or somehow insufficient to power them. They will not open fire until at least two players request their activation on the same turn. This deception may be detected by enemy units with a Beagle Active Probe.Orders Due: Midnight Saturday!
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Holy poo poo. Uh, how did the Wolverine shoot the Battlemaster with a height 2 building directly between them?
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PTN, when you got new dice, did you also get a new box for the dice as well? Because some...thing is hungry and spiteful. Not that I'm complaining though, spiteful dice make for the best updates.
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Gwaihir posted:Uh, how did the Wolverine shoot the Battlemaster with a height 2 building directly between them? Because both the Wolverine and the BattleMaster are standing at level 1, and the level 1 building (combined height level 2) only grants partial cover.
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Wellll poo poo, now I feel bad for giving that advice, I thought the building's heights were in addition to whatever terrain they were on, so like height 1 terrain with a height 2 building on it. I think that explains some things!
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I think I'll just stand still and shoot the Lao Hu. Leaves me safe from the rest of them.
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1 double TAC, one absolutely vicious triple TAC, two failed PSRs needing 5s, and two snake eyes missed attacks that needed 3s. Daaamn.
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