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Magni posted:How could you forget the mother of all LRM-boats, the Viking? Because there's nothing like loading 70 LRM tubes with mine-clearance ammo and firing it all into an infantry company. I have guns on my knees! fear me! The catapult is my favorite, it's a drat fine looking mech.
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W.T. Fits posted:Is it bad that the first thing I thought upon seeing this image was "Who drew fanart of Zaodai as a Death Commando?" Clearly one of the government sponsored historians was contracted to immortalize the glorious victory of our Confederation against our foes. 
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What, nobody thought to mention the best missileboat of all time? Nobody mentioned the Baboon?!
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PoptartsNinja posted:What, nobody thought to mention the best missileboat of all time? Nobody mentioned the Baboon?! Ah, yes. The Baboon, with it's fearsome trio of PooFlinger class LRM-5s. Death by the handful.
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Apr 7, 2011 05:46
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The Arbalest is a fire support, and one of the few new clicky 'mechs I really like.
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PoptartsNinja posted:What, nobody thought to mention the best missileboat of all time? Nobody mentioned the Baboon?!  Why is this even a mech? They have a name for these. It's "LRM Carrier."
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Arglebargle III posted:
Nope, the LRM Carrier is bigger and packs WAAAAAY more LRMs.
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So, the Baboon is what dezgra get to drive? Is that how that machine works?LeschNyhan posted:It is the pride and joy of the Fire Mandrill clan, a totem mech. Man, what'd they do to deserve that? Did they annihilate a creche full of babies or something? Did they cheat in a batchal? Veyrall fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Apr 7, 2011 |
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Veyrall posted:So, the Baboon is what dezgra get to drive? Is that how that machine works? It is the pride and joy of the Fire Mandrill clan, a totem mech. ( I have no idea if this is true.) LeschNyhan fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Apr 7, 2011 |
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Veyrall posted:So, the Baboon is what dezgra get to drive? Is that how that machine works? Yeah, pretty much. "Oh, what's that? You lost your 'Mech to an environmental hazard without ever firing a shot? Pussy. Have a Baboon, go hunt some bandits or whatever. Die well." LeschNyhan posted:It is the pride and joy of the Fire Mandrill clan, a totem mech. ( I have no idea if this is true.) It's not true, the Steel Vipers designed it and are its only manufacturer. Veyrall posted:Man, what'd they do to deserve that? Did they annihilate a creche full of babies or something? Did they cheat in a batchal? Fire Mandril mentality: "Y'know, this system that Nicholas Kerensky laid out is stupid and unsustainable. gently caress it. C'mon, bro, let's go have a beer."
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LeschNyhan posted:It is the pride and joy of the Fire Mandrill clan, a totem mech. ( I have no idea if this is true.) The CFM totem mech is the Mandrill, kind of an uncreative name for a bland machine.
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PoptartsNinja posted:It's not true, the Steel Vipers designed it and are its only manufacturer. Yeah, although I thought the Mandrill's were kind of a joke clan for being even more fractious and uncooperative than your average clan. Also, you can see why I was confused: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Mandrill 4/6/4 for a 30 tonner is not that good. A pair of LRM 20s just ain't worth it.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Fire Mandril mentality: "Y'know, this system that Nicholas Kerensky laid out is stupid and unsustainable. gently caress it. C'mon, bro, let's go have a beer." Fire Mandrills. The Clans answer to the Free Worlds League. "No YOU, quiaff!"
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[Annnnnd I just remembered I promised to do this a week ago.] Crisp, clear three-dimensional picture and twelve-channel surround sound fill the entire room for this one. Unlike the Houses, who play their ads back on the low-definition tri-vid with their low-fi sound systems, ComStar's technology is superior not just in the fields of medicine, manufacturing, communications, computing and physics, but also home theaters. Peace of Blake be with you all, Initiates. As new members of the Com Guard, it is your sacred duty to protect the blessed Hyper-Pulse Generators and their secrets from the Houses who would seek to destroy the knowledge we have kept, And it is my pleasure to introduce you to one of the finest tools at our disposal to do so. BattleMechs are Blessedly Superior Today's Episode: EXC-B* Excalibur  The Excalibur was, like many of the designs fortunate enough to be spared the ravages of the Succession Wars, originally of the forefather of Our Blessed Order, designed by the Star League. Seeking a mobile fire support machine that could keep pace with many of the fast-moving cavalry machines used in their Light Horse regiments, the Star League commissioned Yankee Weapons Systems to design a fast-moving Heavy BattleMech that could provide both direct and indirect fire support. A 70-ton chassis is powered by a Ford 350 XL engine, providing a maximum movement speed of 86.4 km/h. Unlike the primitive engines used in the Great Houses, though, Our Blessed Order has followed the directives of the Blessed Blake and preserved the knowledge necessary to produce the Extra-Light Engine, providing equal engine power at only half the weight. Unlike most of our advanced hardware, the low heat curve of the Excalibur does not require Our Blessed Order to use advanced double-strength heat sinks. For as it is written in the Book of Blake, "Just because I can do something doesn't mean I have to all the time. Maybe I'm tired of doing it right now. Get off my back." The primary armament is likewise far beyond what little knowhow the Successor States have managed to preserve. It's most fearsome weapon is the Ingrid Systems Gauss rifle, one of the most devastating weapons of the modern battlefield. With a range of 660 meters and dealing half-again as much damage as a PPC shot, the Gauss rifle only generates as much heat as walking. It accomplishes this using Our Blessed Order's most holy understanding of superconduction and electromagnetism, propelling metal slugs weighing one-eighth of a ton at supersonic speeds. Complimenting this is Ingrid System's LRM-20 with Artemis-IV Flight Control System, increasing the accuracy of all missiles fired, and an automatic, fast-tracking McArthur Anti-Missile System which helps protect from incoming missile fire. Due to the extreme long range firepower and mobility of the design, it carries only 7.5 tons of armor, an amount deemed acceptable given its ability to dictate range against most targets. As a bonus to its survivability, however, the Excalibur mounts another of the Star League's great lost innovations: Cellular Ammunition Storage Equipment, or CASE. While an ammunition explosion might gut a House machine on a modern battlefield, rendering it entirely unsalvageable and possibly losing precious technology forever, CASE shunts any remaining explosive force out the back of a Mech. While the bulky XL Engine's shielding might be destroyed, the machine itself will remain salvageable, allowing Our Blessed Order to carry out its mission to preserve the Light of Knowledge as the Blessed Blake commanded. While Excalibur is one of the Com Guard's primary fire support units and a common sight in most heavy, assault, and even some medium-weight Level II formations, it is believed extinct elsewhere, as all its weapon systems, its engine, and its cooling systems all feature advanced technology beyond the Houses' ability to maintain. Therefore, any mention of your awareness of this design's continued existence will result in a disciplinary meeting with your posting's ROM representative. Thank you for your time, Initiates. Peace of Blake be with you. ComStar. Yes, we DID hear you say that. Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Apr 15, 2011 |
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PoptartsNinja posted:Yeah, pretty much. "Oh, what's that? You lost your 'Mech to an environmental hazard without ever firing a shot? Pussy. Have a Baboon, go hunt some bandits or whatever. Die well." Also the Baboon with ERPPC + TC is pretty drat lethal for what amounts to an IS mediums BV moving at 7/11..... Bad Moon posted:Fire Mandrills. The Clans answer to the Free Worlds League. Ah well. Defiance Industries posted:BattleMechs are Blessedly Superior 
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Arquinsiel posted:This mech is decidedly dumb and over-sinked. Good job as usual (over-)selling it though Arq, it is never, ever dumb to "over-sink" a 'mech by equipping it with 10 DHS when its actual heat load falls within the 10 heat range that the default 10 SHS are capable of dealing with. Why? Simple. Engine crits! If you take one or two and you're still standing, you don't want to be crippled (more than you already are) by being unable to do anything except standing still without gaining heat. And let's not forget about the Capellan Special......
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I personally like the Excalibur a lot. It has a clearly defined role, at which it excels at.
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ShadowDragon8685 posted:Arq, it is never, ever dumb to "over-sink" a 'mech by equipping it with 10 DHS when its actual heat load falls within the 10 heat range that the default 10 SHS are capable of dealing with. The B2 doesn't come with DHS. KnoxZone posted:I personally like the Excalibur a lot. It has a clearly defined role, at which it excels at. In its base configuration it's basically a worse griffin (can't jump, less armor, more ammo problems, more expensive, even more worthless at close range, slightly higher expected damage). Longinus00 fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Apr 7, 2011 |
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KnoxZone posted:I personally like the Excalibur a lot. It has a clearly defined role, at which it excels at. So does the Baboon. The problem is, it's a second-line 'Mech that should be a generalist like the Watchman, an Inner Sphere 'Mech that fills basically the same role (that role: stand around and get shot at until relief forces arrive). Instead, all the Clan second-line 'Mechs are specialists; and all their front line units are generalists... which is exactly the opposite of what you'd want. Edit: That's also something I'm trying to ameliorate. I want all the Omnis to have a more defined role, so you can't just look at a Mad Dog and go "It's like the Timberwolf, but worse!" or the Summoner and go "It's like the Timberwolf, but worse!" or the Hellbringer and go "It's like the Timberwolf, but worse!" The Timberwolf is a really powerful generalist. That's its thing. That doesn't stop the Hellbringer from being "Like the Warhammer, but better", or the Mad Dog from being "Like the Crusader, but better (and better looking)" Case in point, the Viper. What is it's role? The Viper's only role is to delay the enemy until it either dies, or something bigger can catch up. Is it good at its role? Yeah. Is it a role that a defensive force will find vital in order to hold up attackers and destroy them piece by piece? HELL YES! Is that a role you want in an invasion force? Occasionally. Is that a role you want a lot of in an invasion force? No. And that's why the Ghost Bears couldn't perform in the invasion itself, but couldn't be dislodged afterwards. Edit 2: I'm stupid and waiting for orders from people. I only just now realized that the person I'm waiting for is dead. :C PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Apr 7, 2011 |
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PoptartsNinja posted:The Timberwolf is a really powerful generalist. That's its thing. That doesn't stop the Hellbringer from being "Like the Warhammer, but better", or the Mad Dog from being "Like the Crusader, but better (and better looking)" I don't know, I think the Mad Dog is one of the more focused omnimechs. Prime and C are specialized in long-range combat, A is short-range combat, and B is a generalist. And yeah, the Hellbringer has a wide spread of weapons in all its loadouts, but that's kinda the point; even in canon, it got its Loki reporting name from its "utterly mad configuration" of weapons. I think the reason for the prevalence of super-generalist omnimechs is twofold: 1. zellbrigen means that you fight most combat one-on-one, and so there are advantages to a versatile 'mech that can be expected to deal with any kind of opponent without being extremely handicapped in certain matchups, and 2. FASA simply didn't want every omni to be hopelessly powerful and dominating, if only for variety's sake. So you get oddball designs like the Hellbringer and Gargoyle, if only to make things more interesting, instead of making every enemy a super powerful Stormcrow or Timber Wolf. Edit: not to mention that many omnis are so powerful that they can effectively play several roles at once without losing a lot of lethality. Clan specialist 'mechs tend to be awesome but overkill, like the Nova prime, or the various Night Gyr variants (80 LRMs with FCS, hello). an oddly awful oud fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Apr 7, 2011 |
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ShadowDragon8685 posted:Arq, it is never, ever dumb to "over-sink" a 'mech by equipping it with 10 DHS when its actual heat load falls within the 10 heat range that the default 10 SHS are capable of dealing with.
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Okay yeah. Oversight on my part. Just another C* error, like the Zeus being invented way before the Mackie.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Edit 2: I'm stupid and waiting for orders from people. I only just now realized that the person I'm waiting for is dead. :C Haha.  In the interest of not spamming your PMs, PTN, I'm gonna go ahead and do that thing I was asking you about before. (I'm not the person he was waiting on - I hope!)
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Spencerb posted:Cheers! I'll be sure to die gloriously in your honor. PoptartsNinja posted:L4 Wolfhound critical chance in left leg, limb blown off! Also, my brain made the disney->pirates of the carribean->kraken link, and now I can't get images of 'Mech vs [creature of myth] out of my head, in each case the beasty just being hilariously ruined. edit - illustration added: 
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Mastigophoran posted:I've never been more proud! Atlas (with no ranged weapons) vs. Cerberus, who would win?
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paragon1 posted:Atlas (with no ranged weapons) vs. Cerberus, who would win? My first impulse was that you were talking about the Mech. I always though the name fit the Thunder Hawk better though.
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Mastigophoran posted:I've never been more proud! If only all of our fights were this awesome 
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paragon1 posted:Atlas (with no ranged weapons) vs. Cerberus, who would win? Picturing a battlemech punching a giant dog.
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PoptartsNinja posted:I will be shocked if any of the combatants miss their targets this time around. What the gently caress could this possible meaaaaaan?  Oh man. GG, I think.
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Artificer posted:What the gently caress could this possible meaaaaaan? Everyone's firing at trees!
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Longinus00 posted:Everyone's firing at trees! That's a lie, I held my fire. It would be dishonorable to shoot trees after making a challenge.
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PoptartsNinja posted:I will be shocked if any of the combatants miss their targets this time around. Hmm, this doesn't sound good...
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It's going to be point-blank firing like the cover of the rules PDF. Only probably more one-sided.
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Hell yes, bloodbath. Exactly what I've been cheering for all along in this match!
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PoptartsNinja posted:I will be shocked if any of the combatants miss their targets this time around. I knew trying to shoot off my other leg was the right idea.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Goddamn, I didn't know driving penalties could go that high. I think that signals the Rommel's destruction in the very near future.
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landcollector posted:I think that signals the Rommel's destruction in the very near future. Even if it can't move, it can shoot. 
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