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Yakumo posted:So, what you're saying is the Vedette isn't considered in partial cover here if the Dig Lord's the one attacking it? You mentioned it was both an advantage and a disadvantage, though, so I assume it works both ways and mechs can't get partial cover from height one? I'm pretty sure we saw that when the Vedette shot the Diglord in the leg from behind a 1 height dune; of course, getting a decent hit chance is still pretty difficult, since industrial mechs get a -1 penalty to all their shots, plus gunnery 4 on top of that, so it doesn't take much to reduce the hit chances to "better off not bothering".
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thetruegentleman posted:I'm pretty sure we saw that when the Vedette shot the Diglord in the leg from behind a 1 height dune; of course, getting a decent hit chance is still pretty difficult, since industrial mechs get a -1 penalty to all their shots, plus gunnery 4 on top of that, so it doesn't take much to reduce the hit chances to "better off not bothering". The Dig Lord wasn't behind a hill, it was on one. His special rules say that vehicles can attack and be attacked from behind height 1 hills, so the Vedette would have had a clean shot at anything in that spot, not just the mech. Edit: though that makes me wonder. If only the turret can be shot over height 1, is it only the turret mounted weapons that can shoot from behind a hill or can all weapons? Yakumo fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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Yakumo posted:So, what you're saying is the Vedette isn't considered in partial cover here if the Dig Lord's the one attacking it? You mentioned it was both an advantage and a disadvantage, though, so I assume it works both ways and mechs can't get partial cover from height one? Correct. The advantage being able to shoot down. Also, don't worry about the IndustrialMech penalty. That's what the tracers are for.
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Oct 3, 2016 21:19
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PoptartsNinja posted:Correct. So this is what you meant by the secret advantage, yes?
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Oct 4, 2016 00:52
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Yes, you can shoot targets behind "level 1" hills as if they had no cover, but they can do the same to you.
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Oct 4, 2016 00:56
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Tangent: I had a customer come to work today wearing an old Battletech hat. He even had a Marik pin, so you know he was pretty deep into the fandom. He was a hopeful backer for HBS Battletech.
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Voyager I posted:Tangent: I had a customer come to work today wearing an old Battletech hat. He even had a Marik pin, so you know he was pretty deep into the fandom. Did you tell him to shut up?
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Oct 4, 2016 01:50
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Should have squawked. 
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Oct 4, 2016 02:16
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Looks like you'll have to step on the gas to keep up with the Desert Hawg. No time for backing up or getting to high ground! I wonder if Phelix's crew knows a ruptured chem tank will immediately kill them, or if he told them the protective gear would keep them safe? Little do they realize, the goggles do nothing.
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Oct 4, 2016 05:02
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Zaodai posted:Like that Dutch Gundam that's a giant windmill? I love the fact that thing keeps being brought back up in this thread. Neo Holland's Windmill Gundam, everyone!
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Oct 4, 2016 05:57
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My orders are to move to 0807, and fire 2 HE and the Heavy Rifle at Galleon. If the Galleon is destroyed before the Bulldog can fire any shots at it, shoot 1 HE at the Vedette instead. I have an odd number of HE anyway, so one Hail Mary might be fun.
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GhostStalker posted:I love the fact that thing keeps being brought back up in this thread. Neo Holland's Windmill Gundam, everyone! It's odd how this just came up in the Gunpla thread. It's only $500!
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Oct 4, 2016 21:36
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PoptartsNinja posted:Also, don't worry about the IndustrialMech penalty. That's what the tracers are for. What do the Tracer rounds actually do in-game? The rules I looked up only state that the shots each get a -1 damage penalty and only reduce (or eliminate) environmental penalties; I'm not arguing that the hit chances/damage should be lower, mind, I'm just curious if the tracers have a flat bonus to accuracy (or if everyone else is suffering from environmental problems, for that matter), and if the -1 damage is still there.
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thetruegentleman posted:What do the Tracer rounds actually do in-game? The rules I looked up only state that the shots each get a -1 damage penalty and only reduce (or eliminate) environmental penalties; I'm not arguing that the hit chances/damage should be lower, mind, I'm just curious if the tracers have a flat bonus to accuracy (or if everyone else is suffering from environmental problems, for that matter), and if the -1 damage is still there. "Poptarts is fudging things to make fielding an IndustrialMech not be a total chore." Pretty sure the Dig Lord doesn't have the standard ToHit penalty anyway since it's got a full HUD, but I could be mistaken.
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For those of you wondering, the Dig Lord is powered by a fuel cell engine, not an ICE. So the thing's going to go up like the Hindenburg if that fuel tank eats a crit.
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Bloody Pom posted:For those of you wondering, the Dig Lord is powered by a fuel cell engine, not an ICE. So the thing's going to go up like the Hindenburg if that fuel tank eats a crit. Wait, so it's not belching clouds of diesel smoke every time it moves or attacks? There goes my mental image.
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Grizzwold posted:Wait, so it's not belching clouds of diesel smoke every time it moves or attacks? There goes my mental image. Well it produces water vapor as a waste product, so just imagine billowing clouds of vape instead. 
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Oct 4, 2016 22:16
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Bloody Pom posted:Well it produces water vapor as a waste product, so just imagine billowing clouds of vape instead. I guess that explains the pilot.
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Bloody Pom posted:For those of you wondering, the Dig Lord is powered by a fuel cell engine, not an ICE. So the thing's going to go up like the Hindenburg if that fuel tank eats a crit. I think that might make it less prone to engine damage if it falls, to be fair. ICE engines are REALLY poo poo in mechs.
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Dolash posted:I guess that explains the pilot.  PTN, please confirm. Is the pilot of the Dig Lord a fedora-wearing neckbeard?
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PoptartsNinja posted:It's odd how this just came up in the Gunpla thread. It's only $500! Nope, too rich for my blood... I'll probably find better deals when I'm working at New York Comic Con this weekend, but probably not that particular Gundam, since that was apparently an exclusive to a con in Japan or something? Not sure I'd want it anyway if I did see it for sale, especially not at that price... Also, no bids so far too, so I guess no one else wants it (yet) either. Wonder if anyone will actually put down a bid by the time the auction ends on Saturday, but it looks like it probably won't sell, at least to me. Bloody Pom posted:
He's Space Don Quixote with a suitably (self-given?) pretentious name effecting a posh accent with an invented rank and suffixes for himself, as befitting a crazy man eking out a life salvaging here on this desert hellhole in the back of beyond, in a modded mining industrial mech named Sancho Panzer. I really wouldn't be surprised if he was. GhostStalker fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 06:12
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Need orders for the Marsden II. If I don't get them in time, I'll at least roll you forward five hexes so you're not totally screwed.
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PoptartsNinja posted:"Poptarts is fudging things to make fielding an IndustrialMech not be a total chore." Yeah, the rules really go out of their way to make Industrial Mechs play as terrible as possible, presumably because the writers want people to think that even the shitiest light mech is still far superior to an Industrial: Industrials need an "advanced fire control" to negate the -1 penalty, and get a host of other penalties besides (mainly related to critical hits, especially if falling is possible). I'm not experienced in Battletech enough to give the best advice (obviously, I think), but the Industrial Mech's wonky status seemed worth mentioning on the chance that the rules applied; if they don't, all the better. Also, Terranblade did mention moving to 0807, so at least he'll be in the ballpark if he didn't send orders. thetruegentleman fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Wouldn't a better name fr the dig lord be Rocinante? Being Don Quixote's really lovely horse.
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Grave Digger: Tactical Update 3 “I know that horn,” Ezekial mar Vohrs threw open the Commander’s hatch and rose to his full height. A laser from the Galleon tank flashed a dozen meters in front, but Ezekial barely felt the heat of it as his tank drove through the air stirred by that near miss. His ancient eyes peered through his field glasses at a mass of spikes jutting from the sand like weathered stone. They were black and scarred, and the foremost was gnarled and twisted as if by a great heat. “Scarback,” Vohrs exclaimed, seizing the transmitter attached to his left breast pocket. Sand Whales were voracious desert omnivores with no Terran analog. Theoretically mammalian, they spent most of their lives buried in the sands, connected to the world’s aquifers with a plant-like taproot, siphoning up nutrients and growing to tremendous sizes. They secreted the excess silica they took in, forming glass-like plates of hardened armor able to deflect autocannon shells and lasers. This armor playing was highly prized, and the plating from a particularly large Sand Whale could sell for as much as a light BattleMech. Vohrs had never met a whale bigger than Scarback. Its armor plating was thicker than his wrist and bore the signs of a dozen failed whaling attempts. The rusted, twisted ruin of a half-dozen harpoons still poked from the creature’s back, and Vohrs had personally seen Scarback flip and then crush a Von Luckner. “Sand Whale to the west!” he transmitted. “That fool in the Vedette just crossed her taproot—she’s bound to wake up pissed!”   Shooting Phase Marsden II (Player) - No orders received! Goblin Medium Tank "Diamondback" (Player) - Fires Heavy Chemical Laser at Galleon (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement = 8): rolled 5, miss! - Fires Heavy Chemical Laser at Vedette (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement = 8): rolled 9, hit Front (6/14 armor remaining)! Bulldog Medium Tank (Player) - Fires SRM-4 (High Explosive) at Galleon (3 base + 4 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement = 9): rolled 6, miss! - Fires SRM-4 (High Explosive) at Galleon (3 base + 4 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement = 9): rolled 3, miss! - Fires Heavy Rifle at Galleon (3 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement = 7): rolled 10, hit Turret (12/18 armor remaining)! Thor Artillery Vehicle "Exhumer" (Player) - Holds fire! Dig Lord “Sancho Panzer” (Player) - Fires Autocannon/10 (Tracer) at Galleon (4 base + 0 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 7): rolled 7, hit Right Side (4/13 armor remaining)! CfMSD! - Fires Light Machine Gun at Galleon (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 9): rolled 6, miss! - Fires Light Machine Gun at Galleon (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 9): rolled 10, hit Front (5/14 armor remaining)! - Fires Light Machine Gun at Galleon (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 9): rolled 8, miss! - Fires Light Machine Gun at Galleon (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 9): rolled 7, miss! - Fires Light Machine Gun at Galleon (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 0 enemy movement + 1 light woods = 9): rolled 6, miss! - Gains 3 heat, sinks 3! Vedette - Fires Autocannon/5 at Thor (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 2 enemy movement = 10): rolled 7, miss! Galleon - Fires Medium Laser at Goblin “Diamondback” (4 base + 4 range + 0 movement + 2 enemy movement = 10): rolled 8, miss! End Phase Galleon - Chance for Motive System Damage: rolled 7, minor damage sustained!   Player Status:  Ally Status:  Opposing Force Status:  Special Rules  Drifting: Vehicles may shift one column to the left or right during the movement phase without expending an MP to turn, provided the move does not cross through an enemy unit or terrain that would cost additional MP. Adjacent vehicles may be rammed for low damage with a sideswipe and lighter vehicles may be knocked off course next turn! Half-Height Terrain: All terrain features rise to only half their normal height. Vehicles behind a height 1 hill may still attack and be attacked, but may only receive damage to their turrets. Vehicles without turrets are hidden as normal. Hills only cost 1 MP to climb rather than the additional 2. BattleMech and IndustrialMech units treat height 1 hexes as if they are clear terrain, height 2 as if they are height 1, etc. Oases: Oases are surrounded by boggy soil that will trap ground vehicles and may attract native fauna. Mirages: Heat shimmer can make water appear where there is none. Mirages may be driven through safely but may hide other features. Redline the Engines: The Desert Hawg’s speed cannot be reduced by damage or critical hits.Primary Objectives - Protect the Desert Hawg (0/1) - Disable or destroy the Devil’s Due (0/1) Secondary Objectives - Drive away or destroy Scarback (0/1) - Destroy the ???? (0/1) Orders Due: Midnight Saturday!
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Man that Rotunda is gonna get the poo poo Witnessed out of it,
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Are we able to sideswipe while driving straight forward? If so, that Rotunda is going to get squished.
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Just try not to end your movement too close to the Rotunda unless you feel like getting your tracks blown off and watching the mission pass you by. 6 MGs are a very real threat to a tank on an autoscrolling level.
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^^^ Yea, take it down from the rear if possible. No turret means it can't always get a bead on you with it's front mounted MGs. (Two are still in back, but oh well).
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I think I'll move to 0709/face to 0708 and fire at the Galleon again. All those misses is a good example of why we need volume fire to do anything; might have even killed it if the Marsden had carried out it's originally planned orders. I think we can leave the Rotunda to the Thor, since it actually has the movement speed to catch up after killing the thing. I also can't wait to see what the hell the local fauna is going to do to the Vedette.
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Everyone remember that one scene from Mass Effect 3 where the giant worm had a fight with the giant robot? That's what I'm pretty much picturing right now.
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1107 puts me out of range of the Rotunda and gives me a nice point blank shot at the Galleon's rear end. It's got a clear run out of the bog next turn, so I'd like to try and finish it off now. Gets me away from that beastie too.
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thetruegentleman posted:I think I'll move to 0709/face to 0708 and fire at the Galleon again. All those misses is a good example of why we need volume fire to do anything; might have even killed it if the Marsden had carried out it's originally planned orders. I think we can leave the Rotunda to the Thor, since it actually has the movement speed to catch up after killing the thing. Maybe you should consider moving to 0808 instead? It would put you in a nice place to drift the following turn and the Rotunda won't be able to shoot you.
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Ardlen posted:I don't think you can make that move - you can't drift upslope, so getting to 0709 would leave you facing 0608 or have you stop early in 0710. You're probably right: I was thinking I might be able to drift to 0711 and then move up, but the example shows drifting taking the whole turn, so it seems that isn't the case, so 0808 is the logical next choice. So basically, new orders are second verse, nearly the first: move to 0808, fire 2 HE and Rifle at Galleon. I can't tell if the Rotunda has full-tank LOS on me from there though, which might require yet another change in location, since that's an ugly risk at such a close range.
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I'm thinking I'll go to 0807, get a couple flamers on the Galleon. Path indeterminate, mostly it boils down to "do I want to also maybe shoot the dead-as-gently caress Rotunda."
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PoptartsNinja posted:Need orders for the Marsden II. My bad. I misread the deadline, thanks for not killing my tank. orders are in, forward to 1006, kill the galleon. Now where's that hat. 
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thetruegentleman posted:I can't tell if the Rotunda has full-tank LOS on me from there though, which might require yet another change in location, since that's an ugly risk at such a close range. For future turns though, it would have 50/50 LOS on you, which means that so as long as you didn't shoot at it, you could decline LOS with the bottom half of your tank. I'm not sure how it would still work if you only used turret mounted weapons. Ardlen fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Orders in. Drifting up to 1107 behind the Galleon and unloading everything into it. If it somehow dies before that I'll take a shot at the Rotunda.
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So I pretty much have to run fI've straight up or I'll start getting autoscrolled, right?
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