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PoptartsNinja posted:Osteons don't particularly care if you shoot them in the head. Can the Sins do a chestburster impression instead? Out of interest is there a 'canon' version of the Legion mechs? Are they based on one of the Archangel series or are they a custom creation?
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Just for my mental image I too have been wondering what the closest is to the Legion mechs and the Sins.
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Z the IVth posted:Out of interest is there a 'canon' version of the Legion mechs? Are they based on one of the Archangel series or are they a custom creation? They are a bigger Gestalt
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I’m going to go for the legs of the injured osteon. Hopefully I can snap them right off and then peel out the pilot next round.
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Question: If I go to 2525 and kick the Osteon again it's on the punch table and I could take out the head, but those mechs seat the pilot in the CT? I'll probably do that anyway. Actually I think I can make it to 2625 with enough MP to keep it in a kickable facing and a better defensive move mod. e: Bleh not enough heat for tsm and I'm down to 4/6. I guess I can jump there.
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Affi posted:I’m going to go for the legs of the injured osteon. Hopefully I can snap them right off and then peel out the pilot next round. This is actually the best plan for the battle armor guys tbh. Leg attacks deal some damage to the legs, but have a forced leg crit, and leg crits can be extremely potent against mediocre pilots because pretty much all of them force PSRs.
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MJ12 posted:This is actually the best plan for the battle armor guys tbh. Exactly. The Society are poo poo pilots, so the more piloting rolls you force them to take, the more often they are gonna fall on their rear end and injure themselves, and a Battlemech that has to waste time and MP picking itself up off the ground is a Battlemech that is far less threatening. Also, standing up itself requires a piloting check, so you can have instances of a terrible pilot repeatedly trying to pick himself up off the dirt, only to faceplant repeatedly until they knock themselves unconscious.
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A reminder of the two types of attacks BA can do now that we've got a couple on the field: PTN mentioned that the SIN has a Vibro-claw, so it does an additional +1 damage when swarm attacking or leg attacking. Leg Attacks! If your BA ends it's movement in the same hex as an enemy mech, you can make a Leg attack. You roll using the anti-mech skill (3), in addition to the target's normal move mod. If you hit, it's 4(+1) damage to a leg, and a guaranteed roll for a critical hit. If you roll an 8+, then the leg eats crit(s) according to the crit table. If your 4 damage hits structure or breaches armor, then the leg rolls for crits twice! You don't mount the mech when doing a leg attack though, so when it moves you'll have to catch up. The other thing you can do is a Swarm Attack Swarm attacks use the same anti-mech roll, but with an additional +2 needed for success. If you make the roll, you don't do any damage on that turn, but you do climb up on the mech. On the following turns you can do a guaranteed 2(+1) damage every turn, as well as forcing a roll for crits. So it might take a while, but eventually you will kill the mech if it is unable to shake you off. Here's where the real fun comes in: The unit being swarmed can attempt to use it's arms to dislodge you, but with a +4 penalty. It can make one attempt per arm that didn't fire weapons, and uses any additional modifiers it might have when performing punch attacks (so like if it has no hands it suffers additional penalties). If it makes the roll, then you get dislodged, and take damage as if you got punched by the mech. But in the far more likely situation where it fails the roll to dislodge you, the mech literally punches itself, potentially multiple times, in the front, which has a 1/6 chance of hitting the head. It can also try jumping to shake you off (similar +4 penalty on a PSR), or purposefully throw itself on the ground (and take damage as if it fell naturally). Lastly, when you shoot something being swarmed, there's a1/3 chance that you'll hit the swarming BA instead of the mech it's on, in which case all the damage from your attack is applied to the BA unit first before continuing on to hit the mech. So, uh, friendly fire could be a thing?
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May 8, 2018 15:12
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The Osteons have protected actuators, so it's a little harder to hit them than normal, giving you +1 to hit on them.
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May 8, 2018 15:17
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Gwaihir posted:A reminder of the two types of attacks BA can do now that we've got a couple on the field: Awwwww..... not using the MechAssault rules?  glances at PTN
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dis astranagant posted:The Osteons have protected actuators, so it's a little harder to hit them than normal, giving you +1 to hit on them. I'll have to double-check the BMM, Protected Actuators may only give a penalty to the crit roll for leg attacks now.
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May 8, 2018 16:50
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I feel like I should probably swarm Rusev over there. It just seems right
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May 8, 2018 17:12
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Also, because RWR cyborgs in power armor are so loving terrifying, you guys swarm like an entire squad of elementals.
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May 8, 2018 17:48
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Have I sent my orders yet? Ugh.
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May 8, 2018 21:12
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Orders in: Movement: - Jump 3 to 1211 Combat: - Swarm attack on The Mech in 1211 (Rusev?) Future plans: - Climb into his cockpit, murder him, and use his mech to shoot his friends (but since that's probably not possible, hope he punches himself to death)
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May 8, 2018 22:13
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You'd need a neurohelmet codebreaker and somewhere between 120 and 360 turns of waiting. But it's not ENTIRELY impossible. It does explain why people usually just weld a new head on instead, though.
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Defiance Industries posted:You'd need a neurohelmet codebreaker and somewhere between 120 and 360 turns of waiting. But it's not ENTIRELY impossible. Didn't the Clans operate on a shittier system for trying to lock out their stuff, though? Because Mechs were basically communal property and even your enemies taking your poo poo was part of their whole stupid system? I'm not saying it should necessarily work in this case (especially since the Legion pilots use a neural interface directly instead of the helmet), only that I vaguely recall in the books that the Clans had basically no security at all keeping you from stealing their rides.
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Defiance Industries posted:You'd need a neurohelmet codebreaker and somewhere between 120 and 360 turns of waiting. But it's not ENTIRELY impossible. It's kind of a shame because a terrifying hell robot ripping a guy out of his mech to get a new ride would be awesome.
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Zaodai posted:Didn't the Clans operate on a shittier system for trying to lock out their stuff, though? Because Mechs were basically communal property and even your enemies taking your poo poo was part of their whole stupid system? I'm not saying it should necessarily work in this case (especially since the Legion pilots use a neural interface directly instead of the helmet), only that I vaguely recall in the books that the Clans had basically no security at all keeping you from stealing their rides. The neurohelmet codebreaker isn't to crack the passcode, it's to remodulate the system on the fly to match the new pilot's brainwaves. Otherwise you risk neural trauma.
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Defiance Industries posted:The neurohelmet codebreaker isn't to crack the passcode, it's to remodulate the system on the fly to match the new pilot's brainwaves. Otherwise you risk neural trauma. Counterpoint: rule of cool Edit: Hey PTN can I climb into Rusev's cockpit, knife him, throw his bleeding body out of the mech, and then shoot his teammates with his mech? Follow up: will the roll for that be harder than a 9? Mezzanon fucked around with this message at 23:57 on May 8, 2018 |
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Defiance Industries posted:The neurohelmet codebreaker isn't to crack the passcode, it's to remodulate the system on the fly to match the new pilot's brainwaves. Otherwise you risk neural trauma. On the other hand, the Clan systems just take little cards that match a mech to the new pilot, and since the NRWR knows about Clan tech it's possible they'd be able to emulate the tech. 
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Mezzanon posted:Counterpoint: rule of cool People's brains exploding out of their eye holes is very cool
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Defiance Industries posted:People's brains exploding out of their eye holes is very cool I feel like we can all agree on this point.
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I wonder if the Legionnaires' Buffered Direct Neural Interface and Pain Shunt implants could facilitate stealing a new ride; just yank out the old neurohelmet and plug the wires into your DNI slots. I mean, if I was PTN, I'd allow it under Rule of Cool, maybe by saying "okay, you can do it, but you lose your immunity to pilot hits and if your new ride gets popped you don't come back out in your battle armor; also you get a slight penalty to piloting and gunnery skills because you're using unfamiliar and not-entirely-compatible equipment." So... it's probably a good thing I'm not PTN.
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Hey for anyone who does BT minis, does a glossy or matte clear sealer look better?
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Matte looks better, clear seals harder. Coat with clear, then matte.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I wonder if the Legionnaires' Buffered Direct Neural Interface and Pain Shunt implants could facilitate stealing a new ride; just yank out the old neurohelmet and plug the wires into your DNI slots. First you'd have to get around the fact that you're trying to cram a 2 ton suit of power armor with claws for hands into a compartment that barely fits a 200 pound gorilla and then expecting it to fiddle with the controls meant for said 200 pound gorilla.. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 08:25 on May 9, 2018 |
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Cut out the original seat Replace with this hot new upgrade for the Sin Armor  For that special cyborg psychopath in your life
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dis astranagant posted:First you'd have to get around the fact that you're trying to cram a 2 ton suit of power armor with claws for hands into a compartment that barely fits a 200 pound gorilla and then expecting it to fiddle with the controls meant for said 200 pound gorilla.. I'm not seeing how this impacts the rule of cool.
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Stravag posted:Hey for anyone who does BT minis, does a glossy or matte clear sealer look better? You can use both. Do a coat of gloss (because it's much more durable), then once that's dry (and you've done any final washes you want) do a matte finish.' Edit: Just in case there's confusion, the infantry can't stop you from killing all of them if the 'Mechs are all dead. Just saying. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 17:29 on May 9, 2018 |
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Shoot the mechs!!
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Tactical skidding action! Trading 4 MP for... four extra hexes of movement.
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Guess that means the pot shots at the hovertank didn't kill it.
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Oh, poo poo. I think I forgot to submit orders, argh, today is wednesday... e. Yuup I did, sorry crew, I have no good excuse I just didn't think about it yesterday. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 21:44 on May 9, 2018 |
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Leperflesh posted:Oh, poo poo. I think I forgot to submit orders, argh, today is wednesday...
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Ardlen posted:Might as well try and submit them now, PTN might not have gotten to the point of no return yet. Combat dice have been rolled. It's no big, Legion 6 is in a safe spot and most people pulled back this turn.
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Yeah if you're moving that tank, the combat stuff is over. Fair enough. For the record, I was gonna jump to 2412 facing 2313 and shoot PPC and 2x AP Gauss at 1611.
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Rabbit Warren Update 11 “There’s something strange about this,” Pete Fisher brought his Legion to a stop. “If the enemy has some sort of underground ferry system, they could have simply evacuated with it and collapsed the tunnel behind them. We’d never have known how they escaped, only that they’d abandoned the base entirely.” Pete loved puzzles of all sorts. Physical ones, intellectual ones, they were all the same to him. This one didn’t make sense. Even with the Legion deploying immediately, it had still taken hours to reach the mine. That was enough time for an evacuation—the small fry could’ve occupied them for a while while key personnel and research was removed. So why hadn’t the Society done it? “They underestimated us, that’s all.” Came Syd’s immediate answer. “They thought we’d be easy prey.” Pete shook his head. It couldn’t be that simple. “I don’t like to assume our enemy is less intelligent than we are. We’ve lost three BattleMechs and—” he blinked in sudden revelation, “they’ve lost nothing of long-term value. They’re collecting combat data. Ours, their own small fry, everything. They’re iterating.” “I think you mean ‘irritating,’” Syd growled. “You’re getting there yourself.” “No,” Pete pressed. “They’re studying us—like we’re test subjects. Watching what we do, how we do it, and learning what it takes to break us. This is bad—we need to win quickly or leave.”     Shooting Phase Sin #1 (Player) - Fires AP Gauss Rifle at Thunderbolt IIC (2 base + 0 range + 1 enemy movement - 1 cybernetics = 2): rolled 9, hit Left Leg (25/28 armor remaining)! Legion #2 (Player) - Fires rHeavy PPC at SM1 Tank Destroyer (2 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 3 enemy movement + 1 heat - 1 cybernetics = 9): rolled 5, miss! - Fires AP Gauss Rifle at SM1 Tank Destroyer: automatic miss! - Fires AP Gauss Rifle at SM1 Tank Destroyer: automatic miss! - Gains 24 heat, sinks 24! Overheating! Legion #3 (Player) - Fires rHeavy PPC at Clan MPP #3 (2 base + 0 range + 1 movement + 0 enemy movement + 2 heat - 1 cybernetics = 4): rolled 6, hit! 2 troopers killed! - Fires AP Gauss Rifle at Clan MPP #3 (2 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 0 enemy movement + 2 heat - 1 cybernetics = 6): rolled 8, hit! 2 troopers killed! - Fires AP Gauss Rifle at Clan MPP #3 (2 base + 2 range + 1 movement + 0 enemy movement + 2 heat - 1 cybernetics = 6): rolled 4, hit! 4 troopers killed! Clan MPP #3 destroyed! - Gains 23 heat, sinks 24! Overheating! Sin #4 (Player) - Attacks the Osteon D’s legs (3 base + 0 surviving troopers + 2 enemy movement + 1 protected actuators = 6): rolled 10, hit Left Leg (7/36 structure remaining)! Crit! Crit! Legion #5 (Player) - Thunderbolt IIC declines Line of Sight! - Fires rHeavy PPC at Mithras #10 (2 base + 0 range + 3 movement + 0 enemy movement - 1 cybernetics = 4): rolled 6, hit Front (0/16 armor, 0/3 structure remaining)! Vehicle destroyed! - Gains 25 heat, sinks 24! Legion #6 (Player) - No orders received! - Gains 0 heat, sinks 24! Sin #7 (Player) - Initiates a Swarm Attack on Thunderbolt IIC (3 base + 2 surviving troopers + 1 enemy movement = 6): rolled 7, swarm attack successful! Legion #8 (Player) - No Line of Sight to primary target! - Fires rHeavy PPC at SM1 Tank Destroyer (2 base + 4 range + 2 movement + 3 enemy movement + 2 EMP - 1 cybernetics = 12): rolled 10, miss! - Gains 24 heat, sinks 24! Overheating! Legion #9 (Player) - Fires Large R-e Laser at Thunderbolt IIC (2 base + 2 range + 3 movement + 1 enemy movement - 1 cybernetics - 1 laser = 6): rolled 7, hit Right Arm (13/22 armor remaining)! - Fires Large R-e Laser at Thunderbolt IIC (2 base + 2 range + 3 movement + 1 enemy movement - 1 cybernetics - 1 laser = 6): rolled 6, hit Right Leg (19/28 armor remaining)! - Fires Light PPC at Thunderbolt IIC (2 base + 2 range + 3 movement + 1 enemy movement - 1 cybernetics = 7): rolled 9, hit Left Arm (17/22 armor remaining)! - Gains 20 heat, sinks 24! Legion #10 (Player) - No Line of Sight to Osteon D! - Gains 5 heat, sinks 24! Legion #11 (Player) - Fires Large R-e Laser at Osteon D (2 base + 0 range + 3 movement + 2 enemy movement - 1 cybernetics - 1 laser = 5): rolled 9, hit Center Torso (31/40 armor remaining)! - Fires Large R-e Laser at Osteon D (2 base + 0 range + 3 movement + 2 enemy movement - 1 cybernetics - 1 laser = 5): rolled 9, hit Right Torso (15/24 armor remaining)! - Fires Light PPC at Osteon D (2 base + 0 range + 3 movement + 2 enemy movement + 2 minimum range - 1 cybernetics = 8): rolled 6, miss! - Gains 30 heat, sinks 24! Legion #12 (Player) - Fires Large R-e Laser at Mithras #9 (2 base + 0 range + 3 movement + 0 enemy movement - 1 cybernetics - 1 laser = 3): rolled 6, hit Front (0/16 armor, 0/3 structure remaining)! Tank destroyed! - Fires Large R-e Laser at Mithras #9 (2 base + 0 range + 3 movement + 0 enemy movement - 1 cybernetics - 1 laser = 3): rolled 4, hit Front! - Fires Light PPC at Mithras #9 (2 base + 0 range + 3 movement + 0 enemy movement + 2 minimum range - 1 cybernetics = 6): rolled 5, miss! - Gains 30 heat, sinks 24! Osteon C - Holds fire! - Gains 5 heat, sinks 22! Osteon D - Torso-twists to threaten hex 2725!! - Fires Large Pulse Laser at Legion #11 (5 base + 0 range + 3 movement + 3 enemy movement - 2 pulse laser = 9): rolled 2, miss! - Fires Large Pulse Laser at Legion #11 (5 base + 0 range + 3 movement + 3 enemy movement - 2 pulse laser = 9): rolled 11, hit Left Arm (16/24 armor remaining)! - Fires Large Pulse Laser at Legion #11 (5 base + 0 range + 3 movement + 3 enemy movement - 2 pulse laser = 9): rolled 11, hit Left Torso (16/24 armor remaining)! - Gains 33 heat, sinks 36! SM1 Tank Destroyer - Holds fire! Mithras #9 - Fires ER Large Laser at Legion #12 (5 base + 0 range + 0 movement + 3 enemy movement = 8): rolled 9, hit Left Arm (11/24 armor remaining)! - Fires AP Gauss Rifle at Legion #12 (5 base + 0 range + 0 movement + 3 enemy movement = 8): rolled 10, hit Left Arm (9/24 armor remaining)! Mithras #10 - Fires ER Large Laser at Legion #5 (5 base + 0 range + 0 movement + 3 enemy movement = 8): rolled 7, miss! Hellstar 2 - Holds fire! - Gains 1 heat, sinks 50! Thunderbolt IIC #1 - Fires ER PPC at Legion #9 (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 2 enemy movement = 10): rolled 5, miss! - Fires LRM-20 w/Artemis IV at Legion #9 (4 base + 2 range + 2 movement + 2 enemy movement = 10): rolled 8, miss! - Gains 23 heat, sinks 32! Highlander IIC - Holds fire! - Gains 2 heat, sinks 24! King Cobra - Holds fire! - Gains 0 heat, sinks 20! End Phase: Osteon D - Critical chance in Left Leg: rolled 5, no critical hits sustained! - Critical chance in Left Leg: rolled 7, no critical hits sustained! Physical Combat Phase: Legion #11 (Player) - Kicks Osteon D (3 base + 3 movement + 2 enemy movement - 2 kick - 1 cybernetics = 5): rolled 7, hit Right Torso (0/24 armor, 29/36 structure remaining)! Crit! End Phase: Osteon D - Critical chance in Right Torso: rolled 7, no critical hits sustained! - Must pass a piloting test or fall (5 base + 1 massive damage + 0 kicked = 6): rolled 10, succeeds! Next Turn’s Movement Phase SM1 Tank Destroyer - Must pass a driving test to avoid skidding (6 base - 1 distance = 5): rolled 10, succeeds! - Must pass a driving test to avoid skidding (6 base + 0 distance = 6): rolled 6, succeeds! - Must pass a driving test to avoid skidding (6 base + 2 distance = 8): rolled 7, fails! Unit skids into hex 1635!    Upper Level Lower Ground Floor Unless otherwise stated, all buildings are Heavy and rise 2 hexes above the underlying terrain PTN’s Note: This should make things easier. Player Status:     OpForce Status:      Special Rules  Cybernetic Implants The Legion is equipped with the Pain Shunt, Dermal Myomer Armor, Triple-Strength Myomer, Stimulant Injector, and Buffered Direct Neural Interface implants. As such they are immune to pilot hits, and when forced to eject their Sin BattleArmor count as a full squad for the purposes of Swarm and Leg attacks and deal one additional point of damage while making a swarm or leg attack.Primary Objectives - Kill Everyone and Everything (0/1) Secondary Objectives - Prevent the Enemy Land Train from Escaping (Complete!) - Prevent the Society from finishing the Turkina Z’s Repairs (Complete!) - Win before Turn 15 (4 turns remaining)! Orders Due: Midnight Saturday! PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 22:15 on May 9, 2018 |
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PoptartsNinja posted:Physical Combat Phase: What happened with this crit chance?
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