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T.G. Xarbala posted:EDIT: Wait, gently caress. Those're missiles. I've been snickering about this line for hours. I concede defeat, good sir.
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Apr 9, 2012 14:40
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Hey, DCB, you're a bright kid and you've got some talent... Don't think that we don't know that you know that you could have illustrated this entire thing to great effect. Still, it's hard to write humor--if your little drawing thing doesn't work out, you should think of writing.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Hey, DCB, you're a bright kid and you've got some talent, but you oughta know that while every artist has his or her own folder filled with pornography they drew/painted/sculpted themselves, it's really not a great idea to air it out on the internet. This goes double for tentacle porn. Especially when you're still in elementary school--what if the faculty at your school found out? You could get pulled aside by a guidance counselor or the nearest public school equivalent for a stern and very awkward talking to. And once that happens you can be pretty darn sure they'll contact your parents, young man. Take the awkwardness from the previous scenario and multiply it tenfold. There's a great many ways such a situation could play out, and among the worst could be the possibility that your father might take the time to explain exactly how invertebrates reproduce, and you really don't want him to get started on snails. Or he might go another route and talk about ducks. Do you really want your father to give you a birds-and-the-bees talk vis a vis duck physiology? You're a precocious kid, I'm fairly certain you've already googled the subject in the middle of reading this post and are thoroughly horrified, I'm sure. Now imagine your father trying to explain it to you and realizing he's lost the entire point of his lecture in his misguided attempt to deliver an inappropriate joke only to realize that your mother was standing right behind him the entire time and that you'd probably only understand the broad strokes of it (thereby ruining half the humor, which would be both a shame and a waste of a good joke, even if it wasn't really his to begin with, but Uncle Chuck didn't mind him taking it, bless his heart). And all this time, your mother would be staring. And judging. She's not torn up about her little baby being corrupted by the internet, oh no, she's already well aware that you're far too worldly for your own good and their parental content locks were never a match for your craftiness and has long since come to terms with it when she found you meatrolling Clan players at the tender age of 2. No, she's not torn up at all. She's just judging. So harshly. Because she knows you know she knows you like to challenge the limits of society with your youthful audacity and devil-may-care attitude, but deep down inside your confidence was built around a core of insecurity, of fear of a world that constantly shuns your wit and intelligence solely because of your age. And she knows you know what people will say about a six-year old found proliferating indecent material in public. She knows you know what they'll say about your family. Deep down, that's what you're really afraid of. You're afraid of what this will do to your family's reputation. In a moment of poor judgment you went and besmirched your own family's honor, all because for a brief second you felt your pride was worth the shot. In the middle of the entire scandal, you just know your big sister is going to go out right this instant, buy a stuffed octopus, and leave it in your room as her idea of a joke. That plebian. It'll probably be one of those kissy-face octopi, you've seen them around, I'm certain. You probably even bought one to bully that cute girl at school you always wanted to have notice you, because you're smarter than those other dorks and you know that cooties are just an urban myth, or perhaps a conspiracy. If I hadn't already bought you an avatar, I'd do it now.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Hey, DCB, you're a bright kid and you've got some talent... Holy gently caress, I am rolling here. So glad I caught this before going to do other stuff, this is hilarious. Looking forward to seeing your drawings of the Mechs that win and some that don't, Xarbala. We all know that they'll be very good art going off of what you've given us so far.
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b0lt posted:Head mounted ammo is a booster for your ejection seat Quikscell PR guy, is that you? T.G. Xarbala posted:You're the best Its Rinaldo fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Apr 9, 2012 |
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Bad Moon posted:Quikscell PR guy, is that you? Even Quikscell doesn't head-mount ammo bins.
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So what you're saying is that there's room for someone below Quikscell.
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Apr 9, 2012 19:22
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It's not ammo: it's a fancy lostech ER ejection seat.
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Apr 9, 2012 19:26
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The clan version generates half as much heat. Which doesn't do much of anything, but it's the thought that counts.
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Apr 9, 2012 19:38
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Explosive bolts are lostech, they just use machine gun rounds instead. You can tell the quality manufacturers from the cheap ones by looking at which end of the round points into the cockpit.
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Nevets posted:Explosive bolts are lostech. Based on a lot of the early fiction, `Mechs weren't designed with ejection seats at all. The first person to mention those is Stackpole IIRC (and the Spider's entry stating explicitly that it doesn't have an ejection seat), and that only after he realized he'd need to have Phelan Kell shot out of his `Mech.  VVV I wish I still had my copy of Sword and Dagger. Was it a Battlemaster, by any chance? PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Apr 9, 2012 |
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^^^ Nope, Ardan Sortek's Victor. They're mentioned before the Blood of Kerensky trilogy. The Wolfhound is one of the first with a whole-head ejection system (Along with the Hatchetman) Edit: Yeah, actually they're mentioned as early as The Sword and the Dagger. Taerkar fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Apr 9, 2012 |
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Taerkar posted:They're mentioned before the Blood of Kerensky trilogy. Yeah, Dan Allard in the first Warrior book for one. He punches out of his Valkyrie and breaks his shoulder going through the canopy. They bring that up in the next one when they give Allard his Wolfhound, since the 'hound has the "whole head ejection system" that the Hatchetman uses. Of course that's ALSO the scene where Dan's able to set his 'mech to self-destruct to take out Yorinaga's Warhammer so arguably the scene creates more problems than it solves. But yeah, they had ejection seats at least as early as Warrior: En Garde. EDIT: PoptartsNinja posted:VVV I wish I still had my copy of Sword and Dagger. Was it a Battlemaster, by any chance? Wouldn't that have been Ardan Sortek's Victor? He gets shot out of his 'mech and then ends up going to Tharkad to recuperate before heading back to save Hanse and all that. jng2058 fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Apr 9, 2012 |
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Someone needs to come up with a design that actively seeks to kill it's pilot. I'm thinking multiple tons of MG ammo spread evenly through the Mech, including the head. Two PPCs, only the minimum heatsinks, only one actual machine gun. Jump jets, low armor. But what to call it? paragon1 fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Apr 9, 2012 |
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I think it makes sense to have no ejection seats during the Succession Wars (at least for the regular line mechs). People are a renewable resource, mechs are not. Anything you can do to encourage a pilot to retreat with his priceless war machine rather than waste it in a futile gesture of defiance is a good idea. So maybe you have to use the oven cleaner a couple times after a mech loses it's engine shielding, big deal.
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There is no superior mech to the Quasit. LRM ammo, SRM ammo, Machine Gun ammo, industrial armor, and no ejection seat. God bless the militia.
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paragon1 posted:Someone needs to come up with a design that actively seeks to kill it's pilot. I'm thinking multiple tons of MG ammo spread evenly through the Mech, including the head. Two PPCs, only the minimum heatsinks, only one actual machine gun. Jump jets, low armor. 
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Why does that mech have it's solid waste ejection port on the front? It's going to have to clean it's legs after every extended mission.
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Nevets posted:Why does that mech have it's solid waste ejection port on the front? It's going to have to clean it's legs after every extended mission. Leos don't live long enough to have to worry about that. Ever. That is the joke.
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ActionZero posted:I should think the answer is obvious. Ah, the Leo. Redshirt mobile suit of the Wing series. Only armed with a handheld beam rifle, though I have no idea what that would translate to in BattleTech terms. Small Laser, maybe? Medium Laser at most. I believe Leo's can also mount a shoulder-supported Dobergun if you forgo the Beam Rifle, though I think that weapon has no BTech analogue.
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Nevets posted:Why does that mech have it's solid waste ejection port on the front? It's going to have to clean it's legs after every extended mission. It is designed to poo poo itself when it goes up against UNSTOPPABLE MECHA.
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GhostStalker posted:Ah, the Leo. Redshirt mobile suit of the Wing series. Only armed with a handheld beam rifle, though I have no idea what that would translate to in BattleTech terms. Small Laser, maybe? Medium Laser at most. Perhaps the BT analogue to the Dober Gun might be the Heavy Rifle?
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Nevets posted:I think it makes sense to have no ejection seats during the Succession Wars (at least for the regular line mechs). People are a renewable resource, mechs are not. Anything you can do to encourage a pilot to retreat with his priceless war machine rather than waste it in a futile gesture of defiance is a good idea. So maybe you have to use the oven cleaner a couple times after a mech loses it's engine shielding, big deal. Yeah, but up until of the Hatchetman the Mech designs came from the Star League era, where traditional military considerations (i.e. "machines are replacable, experienced pilots are not") were in play. Besides, while from a practical standpoint it might be worth making the pilot more concerned with coming back with his machine, A. simple orders to retreat at certain levels of damage would work about as well as no ejection seats to encourage protecting the mech (let's face it, most sane people will choose an "honorable retreat" over death if it's permitted), B. ejecting is more likely to preserve a Mech intact for salvage since the enemy will stop shooting a harmless target, and C. we're not just talking about machines but people, and people are likely to have all sorts of morale issues about being asked to risk death without need. Unless you're talking Kuritan "honor before reason" types (who I think probably were outnumbered by the more sane Kuritans at any rate), your pilots aren't going to be terribly happy with you effectively saying they're worthless to you compared to their mechs. And while Mechwarriors are easier to come by than new Mechs, that doesn't mean they grow on trees; it takes a great deal of training to make a good Mechwarrior, throwing it away with the Mech is tossing good money after bad. Probably the only reason there was a pool of Dispossessed to draw on was the fact they could eject when a battle went south.
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For what it's worth, the Annihilator 3A has ammo in its head and legs, and pretty much everywhere else.
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I had the idea on my Lancer that the SRM-4 was mounted rather low on the torso and, since it was a quad, putting the ammo into the leg was reasonable. I tend to go with Heatsinks either in the side torsos or with hot weapons.
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landcollector posted:Perhaps the BT analogue to the Dober Gun might be the Heavy Rifle? I'm kinda surprised those didn't stay in general production. If it weren't for the low ammo per ton (mostly made up for by the lower weight) and higher heat, I'd take it over an AC/10 most any time.
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It's more comparable to the AC/5, not the AC/10. The Rifles do -3 damage vs 'modern' armor.
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paragon1 posted:Someone needs to come up with a design that actively seeks to kill it's pilot. I'm thinking multiple tons of MG ammo spread evenly through the Mech, including the head. Two PPCs, only the minimum heatsinks, only one actual machine gun. Jump jets, low armor. In MW3, I had a few mechs like this, called Grenade. The idea was to purposely cook off the mech's reactor since they'd actually go nuclear with a mushroom cloud if you pushed it far enough.
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landcollector posted:Perhaps the BT analogue to the Dober Gun might be the Heavy Rifle? Forgot about the Heavy Rifle. I guess it could fit, though the whole -3 damage thing to modern armor is a whole lot of bullshit. You can design better ammo types that can penetrate better armor, I would think. Some kind of HEAP, HEAT, or Squash Head round would probably work. Though I think that's more getting into the modern weapons vs BTech armor derail, and I don't want to reopen that derail...
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MadDogMike posted:Unless you're talking Kuritan "honor before reason" types (who I think probably were outnumbered by the more sane Kuritans at any rate), Chronojam posted:In MW3, I had a few mechs like this, called Grenade. The idea was to purposely cook off the mech's reactor since they'd actually go nuclear with a mushroom cloud if you pushed it far enough.
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The stock Supernova from MW3 would go critical if you did an alpha-strike, reliably.
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Leperflesh posted:I don't even get how ammo would get fed from a leg-mounted bin into a upper-body-mounted weapon. The torso actuates, remember. I guess you'd need some kind of flexible ammo-tube thing that bends when the torso twists. sounds unreasonably complicated to me. It's probably lostech, but the AH-64 Apache has this for its underslung turret, and you can see the same principle in play in the feeds for the minigun used in Predator and the M61 carried by Vulcan Raven in Metal Gear Solid. It's really not all that much more complicated than what would be required for any arm-mounted autocannon, and it's a hell of a lot simpler than what it's implied the Wolverine does.
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Political Vote 10: Operation Backstab A trio of massive DropShips descended on pillars of white fire. Stowing his field binoculars, Colonel Ahmad Karim slammed his hand on the top of the hastily-repainted Draconis Suns logo atop his Demolisher. “Radio regimental—the horses are coming down right where we predicted.” Ahmad smiled darkly. The damned Clanners were in for a nasty surprise this time. Asgard wasn’t a high-value target, yet three full regiments of troops stood in wait for the expected Clan regiment. It had rankled at first, when they had left the Clanners’ challenge unanswered. It wasn’t honorable, but wasn’t that precisely what the rest of the DCMS had always said about the Arkhab legions? Well, this time, the Hell’s Horses weren’t going to have things their way. Even if they dropped with a full regiment, Ahmad was confident the Arkhab Legions had enough troops on Asgard to crush the invaders as they’d nearly done on Luthien. The thought brought a smile to Ahmad’s face—the mighty House Kurita laid low in a single blow. The Arkhabs had always been loyal, and they weren’t great fans of House Davion either, but Ahmad did know war. He approved of Hanse Davion’s planned counterattack: a massive offensive aimed not where the Clans were concentrated heavily, but at their periphery holdings the Prince had dubbed Operation: Bulldog. On the surface, it certainly seemed sound— a core of regular DCMS troops would continue to hold the line against the Clan invaders, while Federated Suns forces carried by something the Prince had called ‘Command Circuits’ would smash into Clan-held worlds with what would hopefully prove to be overwhelming force. The silver-white eggs of the Clan DropShips descended in the distance. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Fyodor Moller kept his eyes low; and busied himself with his work. The bondsman sat hunched on the floor, arms-deep in the guts of a communications console. He’d been taken by the Hell’s Horses, then gifted to the Snow Ravens when they’d inherited Alshain. Fyodor had been an acolyte with the local ComStar office, slated to be cycled away from his home world next month; and yet, here he was. A slave, useful for his skills yet otherwise ignored. Khan Gregory Lankenau stormed back and forth, staring with fury at the map of the Inner Sphere hovering in the holotank. “This is intolerable!” The Khan barked at one of his aides. Fyodor crouched lower, burying his head in his equipment. “How long did Kerensky hope to keep this information from us? Technician!” He threw something small and metal at Fyodor’s back—Fyodor tried not to flinch. “I want that equipment working immediately! And you,” his voice shifted as he turned away, “Prepare a message for the Ghost Bears enclave and our Sea Fox brothers as well! They must know of this immediately! Then, prepare our forces for mobilization!” * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Romano Liao sat, resplendent in the robes of state, upon the Celestial Throne. Trimmed in gold thread, her plum robes matched perfectly her dark hair. If the color was perhaps a bit warm for her cold beauty, none could complain—none would dare, save the man in simple black who stood at her side. Justin Xiang would dare a great many things. Several Dukes and Duchesses stood before her—their endless bickering had been publically silenced long ago by order of the Celestial Throne: none but the Capellan State and her appointed mercenaries could own `Mechs. Stripped of all but the money their stations and privilege brought, the Capellan nobility could offer no resistance as the state had seized more and more power; yet still they served as a form of council; even if its purpose was largely defunct. Today’s argument was about the virtues of continuing the war on House Marik, with the Haseks so close—and clearly restless. Although the Haseks controlled somewhat less than one fifth of the Federated Suns’ military, their troops were highly skilled; and they had nothing to fear from their border with the Draconis Suns. Romano frowned at that, and the conversation ebbed momentarily as the speaker silenced himself—feeling duly chastened for raising a point Roman simply hadn’t cared enough to hear. “Celestial Wisdom,” Justin Xiang addressed her directly. To him and him alone she listened. “Gong Han raises an excellent point: We have made vast gains against the Free Worlds League. Perhaps we should consider consolidation, and reinforcing our borders with New Syrtis. Morgan Hasek is no fool—if we remain weakened, he will strike. If we show the Lion only strength, then he must find another to test his claws upon.” She nodded then, her expression thoughtful. “Perhaps we should show Marik some modicum of mercy?” she mused wryly. “After all—Marik is ours.” Political Vote 10: Capellan Confederation A) Consolidate, redirect forces to repel the Duchy of New Syrtis B) Press the assault on the Free Worlds League C) Abandon the war with the League, assault the Duchy of New Syrtis.
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Come on Come on Come on Come on Arkhab Legions! Voting for A and following the wisdom of Justin Xiang. How well can you trust a noble who has turned on his own lord to not look greedily at the lands around him? The Lion hates the Confederation and he would not hesitate to strike it if it was weak.
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A Who are we to doubt the wisdom of our most favored advisor?
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We won but the Cappies rolled all the way to Marik? What would have happened if Rolling Thunder lost? Anyway, C seems like the thing to do. If Hasek is going to come for you, attack him before he can.
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B: Don't stop until the Mariks are just a bad memory!
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Defiance Industries posted:We won but the Cappies rolled all the way to Marik? What would have happened if Rolling Thunder lost? Marik's not all that far from the Capellan Confederation's borders.
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