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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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I'm sick of buying all-in-one 5.1 surround sound systems for my PC where one component breaks and the whole thing is shot, so i'd like to upgrade to a home theater type system with front and back speakers, subwoofer, and receiver, so I can keep using my desktop for music and movies and games and so forth.

Does this thread have any particular recommendations? I'd posted in this thread first: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3444077&pagenumber=42#post509699392 but they directed me here instead.

Particularly looking for receiver recommendations, ideally a small one that can fit on my desk.

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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So I got a new video card and ran a hdmi cable from the video card to.my Denon receiver and it shows up as "denon" on my windows speaker option list on the bottom right.

Problem: at semi random intervals the sound "hiccups" or "pops" and cuts out for a second. Happens with mp3s or YouTube videos, even when the video card isn't otherwise busy.


When I use the optical cable direct from the motherboard the sound doesn't hiccup.

In a sense it's a solved problem since I can just use the optical cable, but I thought I'd get better sound quality with the hdmi -- what's the problem and is there any better workaround than just using the optical cable?

Edit: im running a surround setup with a subwoofer out of the denon.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jan 20, 2021

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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ufarn posted:

The PS5 has had similar issues. I think it had to do with insufficient throughput capacity - meaning the cables needed to be proper 48Gb/s, or the TV/audio device couldn't run the chosen format.

Another thing that can cause audio hiccups is an audio buffer size that's too high, but since everything is just going through the GPU, I don't think that's something you've manually configured. Go to your Windows audio settings and see if you can choose something like 24 bit 48000 Hz or 44000, just so you at least know you're using the same settings.

Welp, tried these and still getting the problem.


Got the 48gbps HDMI cable.

Plugging it into graphics card, AMD Rx5600xt, latest drivers, the computer detects that it's plugged into "Denon AVAMP" (Denon AVR-S540BT ) and I get the option to configure for 5.1 sound, and surround works, but I get random hiccups where the sound cuts out for a second, which is profoundly annoying. This happens no matter what I set the bit rate to in setings -> advanced settings.

Plugging the HDMI cable directly into the motherboard, it detects it as "Acer Xf270HU" but it seems to be coming out in mono through the center channel only. edit: nope this is just coming out the monitor, d'oh

Running it through the optical cable, everything works except surround (I think because the optical format isn't compatible with surround).

Tempted to try to figure out how to just go back to analog cables. The mobo has jacks for it, and so does the Denon, but they don't really seem to match up as far as I can figure out ("front" and "rear" vs "left" and "right"). (this is the receiver back panel: http://manuals.denon.com/AVRS540BT/NA/EN/WBSPSYjsdhemcn.php)

ANy other ideas?

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Jan 23, 2021

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
um . . . nevermind. Something I did seems to have fixed it (for now?)

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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KozmoNaut posted:

I would highly recommend listening to any speakers in person before throwing down cash, or at least buying from a vendor that lets you do a home trial or free returns.

Klipsch speakers have a rather divisive sound signature, it's very forward*. Some people enjoy that in-your-face presentation, others find it grating, shouty and harsh. It's very first-row-at-a-concert.

*As a comparison, another brand with a very well-known sound signature is Sennheiser, who are famous/infamous for their very laid-back, middle-to-rear-seating-in-the-venue type of sound. Again, some people love it, some people think it throws a veil over the sound.

That's what I love about Klipsch. They make you feel *there*.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Ok, I have a weird question.

I 've got a five point surround klipsch audio setup with subwoofer run through a Denon amplifier and connected to my desktop PC.

I got a 4k display for the PC and i've started watching movies through it and (recently) listening to music with deeper, more resonant bass tracks than I'd generally listened to before.

I have a glass-front bookcase on the wall to the right of the PC. The glass panels are inset into wooden frames.

Problem: when watching movies or listening to audio with heavy bass, the glass fronts of the bookcase rattle and resonate with the music. They're quite loud and significantly clash with the rest of the audio.

I've tried wedging some kleenex into the frames but that doesn't dampen them enough. Any other ideas? Maybe put little bits of felt on the glass? Any thoughts?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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KS posted:

You can move the sub around and see if it helps. If you want to tinker you could try applying film to the glass panels or even clear mass loaded vinyl but I doubt it will work or look good aesthetically.

Beyond that, take the doors off or turn down the sub. Single pane glass resonates super easily.

what sort of film or vinyl? link?

The location of everything is kinda locked in unfortunately due to space constraints, and there's no way to remove the glass short of breaking it. Turning down the subwoofer doesn't actually seem to help much even -- it doesn't take much woof at all to make them rattle, as you say, resonates super easily.

edit: something like this? https://acousticalsolutions.com/product/audioseal-clear-sound-barrier/ ? except not a thousand dollar roll? I only need, like three square feet? I guess six if I cover both sides.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Nov 11, 2021

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Yeah, I'm not sure if the rattle is the frames rattling in the bookcase, the glass panels rattling in the frames, or both.

Any specific caulk y'all would suggest? Any clear silicone caulk?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Tacier posted:

I need a bigger TV stand and it’s hard to find a nice looking mid-century one with space for a full size center channel and ventilation for a receiver and game console. I could ditch the center, but I don’t like my floorstanders that much anyway (Klipsch Icon series).

Atmos and simulated surround sound look fun too, and I never listen above 70db anyway.

Edit: Does anyone else actually prefer the sound of a small speaker (<5”) for casual listening? If that’s heresy I’ll just show myself out…



I have an irrational love of the Klipsch La Scala II floor speakers on purely aesthetic grounds and one day I'll have a house large enough to justify them.

What I use at my desk is the klipsch 5.1 reference pack and I'm overall very happy with it. I did have to buy an aftermarket monitor stand to lift my LG c1 OLED screen up a few inches to fit the center channel beneath it.


TheMadMilkman posted:

Is the sound from the glass itself or is it a rattle between the glass and the frame?

If it’s the latter, a flexible silicone caulk can help. The difficult part is that you would want the caulk to go fully around the shelf, which means shimming it up partially, caulking it, removing the shim, and caulking the rest.

Your Kleenex idea was basically doing a less effective version of this. Make sure the caulk is flexible so that the glass can have some movement. I’d hate for you to shatter the shelf.

If it’s the glass itself, your only option is really to load down the shelves to where they aren’t noticeable. Mass loaded vinyl works great for this. The stuff you found is the right stuff. It can be found WAY cheaper… if you don’t mind black.

I’d try clear silicon caulk first, personally. What you describe sounds more like a frame rattle instead of a glass resonating sound.

trip report: a little clear silicone lining the edges of the bookcase so that the window frames rest against it when closed completely solved the rattle issue, thanks!

It didn't take a full seal or fancy work with shims. Just a little blob in the corners was enough to dampen the rattle.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Nov 15, 2021

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Crossposting from the high-definition televisions thread since it turned out to be more of an audio system problem:

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Ok, tech support question.

I've got a 48" C1 OLED I'm using as my monitor.

Graphics card is a AMD Radeon 5600 XT

I'm routing it through a Denon receiver using HDMI cables so I can also have it drive five point surround sound system.


Porblem:

WHen playing games, if the screen shifts to black for a moment (e.g., scene transitions, loading, etc.) or sometimes randomly mid-gameplay, the C1 will suddenly shift to "no signal" and show the default random impressionist art for five seconds or so.

It only happens when the game is taking up the full screen; if playing in a window with another part of the screen showing, so that the whole screen isn't blacked out, then everything proceeds normally.

Leads me to think it's something with the c1 oled settings that's making it freak out and think the computer is disconnected when it isn't.

Anyone familiar with this issue or know of a fix?


Ok, I think I figured out the problem here; it's the Denon receiver messing up the HDMI handshake. I think I need a HDMI splitter so I can split the signal from the GPU and send it to both the stereo and the c1 oled monitor independently, instead of routing to the monitor through the reciever.
Any suggestions on a good 4k HDMI splitter?

Comically, my GPU has one HDMI out and 3 displayport outs, while the tv and reciever have no displayport ins.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Aug 20, 2022

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

CloFan posted:

Get a DisplayPort --> HDMI adapter to run the video signal, maybe? Cheap to try at least

Hrm, yeah, this seems worth trying. Thanks.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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intheflesh posted:

This is almost exactly what was happening to me. I had computer w/3060ti output to older Onkyo Tx-NR838 to a samsung q70, and many times with transitions in browser, it would lag and go to black screen when switching beteen pages, video to not video, changes in ad playing vs text browsing, like it couldn't handle the viedo parameters changing without doing another HDMI handshake and the screen going to black for a couple seconds. Oddly, it would work just fine if I set the output resolution from the computer to 1080p instead of 4k. But gently caress that I spent all this money on 4k TV gimme
Switched to computer>TV>earc to reciever, and it works beautifully now

Yeah, I couldn't figure out how to make eArc passthrough from the tv to the receiver actually work, but buying a $20 DisplayPort in to HDMI out cable and having the TV display that feed while the receiver gets its sound from the hdmi out via a hdmi cable worked.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
So, question.

I currently have a Klipsch 5.1 surround system set up to run from my desktop --> Denon AVR S540BT reciever -- > speakers, over HDMI cables. It's all adjacent each other in a compact space and works fine.

Issue: we're moving soon and in the new house there's more room, but also things are going to be spread out a bit by necessity. I'm going to want to have the stereo receiver and desktop etc. in different locations, and maybe connect up to a tv in a different room also if possible.

I'm wondering about maximum cable lengths and so forth, but I also don't particularly want to loop giant length HDMI cables across the house. Is this a situation where HDMI over ethernet would work? Could I simply run ethernet to each room in the house through the crawlspace, and then plug the various devices into that network? Would I need to get a different receiver for that? Any suggestions? I feel like I'm not quite asking the right questions.

Goal would be to preserve 5.1 surround throughout the house without degrading the signal due to distance or conversion to lower fidelity formats.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jun 10, 2024

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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mariooncrack posted:

What are you trying to display on the receiver from the PC? There may be a better solution than running cables everywhere if we know this first.

Good question.

The PC has a 55 inch OLED I run at 3840 x 2160 and use for limited gaming and streaming shows. Once we're done with the house move I might even upgrade my graphics card enough to power 4k gaming, in theory.

The way I currently have the wiring set up, a HDMI cable goes from the PC to the receiver and then from the receiver to the OLED.

I had also thought about maybe setting up a 77 inch screen in a living room and running HDMI to that also, stream things through the desktop to that, but that's a maybe-if-feasible option not the main thing. The main difficulty is that the computer room / library, the computer desk can go in one spot and the stereo can only really fit in another, and there's more than fifteen feet of distance between those two spots, and I'm told that's the limit for HDMI cables. But I don't want to lose five-point surround for gaming, and the other sound cable options I'm aware of (optical, etc.) won't carry 5.1 surround information.

If there's a better way to do this (it certainly seems like there should be!) I'm all ears. This is just how I've cobbled things together.

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Jan 30, 2009


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mariooncrack posted:


Comedy option: put your PC next to the receiver and buy a computer for non-gaming things for another room.

Thought about it.

The difficulty is that where I want to put the computer and where I want to put the receiver are on opposite ends of a giant window. I don't want to stretch two cables across my nice view, and even better I'd like to run the cables under the floor.

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
fake edit: wait, are hdmi cables better now than they used to be?

What about something like this? https://www.amazon.com/RUIPRO-Fiber-48Gbps-Dynamic-Samsung/dp/B081SDZZ14/?th=1 ?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Is there a good way to run those through a floor or wall without making a giant hdmi port shaped hole in my floor or wall

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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mariooncrack posted:

What games are you planning to play? If your games are available on Xbox or PS5, it'd be a lot easier to just buy one of those and play the games there then stretch cords around the house. Some of these portable handhelds like the Steam Deck also have the ability to be docked and display on TV.

Ask me in a few months once we've finished this move :P I'm generally just way, way more comfortable with mouse and keyboard on a PC than with any console. I play one or two big RPGs per year depending on what comes out (BG3, Cyberpunk, etc.), whatever Obsidian puts out, and various indy games like dwarf fortress or rimworld etc.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Ok, audio question. Also a PC question.

I have my desktop PC routing through to my stereo receiver for 5.1 surround sound in gaming and music etc.

Receiver is a Denon AVR S540BT. (Speakers are Klipsch).

PC's GPU is a 5070ti.

Monitor is a LG OLED model OLED48c1PUB.

Problem(s):

If I connect the receiver and the display separately to the PC using separate HDMI (or DisplayPort to HDMI for the display) cables, that creates a "phantom" monitor that reduces my FPS by like 10% (even if just set to duplicate display) and reduces my maximum resolution for some reason also.

If I try to daisy-chain from the display to the receiver or from the receiver to the display, I don't have the phantom monitor issue, but the surround sound is lost, and the speaker setup defaults to just stereo.


Is there any way I can avoid this issue? My understanding was optical cables can't carry a surround signal -- is that improved now? Is this something I'd need to get an updated receiver to fix, and if so, what would be recommended?

Hieronymous Alloy
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HKR posted:

eARC is needed for lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master. ARC can do lossy Dolby Atmos/other surround formats. Optical can do 5.1. There are many options to accomplish the goal, but ARC is best for modern 4k gaming. That graphics card, TV and AVR will absolutely do surround sound over HDMI and ARC, but settings may need to be adjusted on all ends to make it work.

Thank y'all, I finally seem to have this working. I couldn't get it to work going pc -> TV > receiver, perhaps because the TV's arc port was HDMI in not out, but I got it to work going pc > receiver > TV after about a half hour of fiddling with the TV and receiver settings and menus, which I'd always given up on previously.

Thanks! This is something I'd been fiddling with for a long time and hadn't solved. I've now got everything running at 75 fps at 4096x2048 with 5.1 when before I was capped at around 60 fps at 3480x 2160.

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Hieronymous Alloy
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Listerine posted:

A good sub is one of those things that once you've got it, you can't believe you ever lived without.

If you can ever get your hands on one of these, don't hesitate:

https://www.klipsch.com/products/rp-1600sw-subwoofer

I grabbed one at like half off, for some reason I don't have the order email anymore so I can't remember. Might have been adorama? Anyway it's fantastic, highly recommend.

I don't think I've ever heard a bad Klipsch speaker. That said, the subwoofer that came with the Klipsch 5.1 reference pack I got for my computer to do surround sound is strong and clean enough to rattle the house just fine when I want it to, and the whole package was less than $500 on sale.

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Hieronymous Alloy
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qirex posted:

You must have just started recently. Their 90s-2000s stuff was harsh as hell.

If I was going to spend 2 large on a sub it would probably be this, just because it's weird. [I'd actually spend it on 2 $1000 subs instead, room modes are a dick]

All I've heard are modern ones and vintage stuff from the 80s and before. One day Ill get pair of classic wooden cabinet klipschorns.

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