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punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

I will NEVER become THE PIRATE KING!!! I am just a lazy, hypocritical idiot.


Watched this documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB-CDGsHJ8I

Man the tagline of "New York won't allow the UFC but allows street gangs" sure is... yeah...

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BrotherJayne
Nov 27, 2019

Cum Catapultae Proscriptae Erunt Tum Soli Proscripti Catapultas Habebunt


Is there a thread for discussing betting and/or a bet history contest? (like everybody participating starts with 100 units and then tracks outcomes over the year type thing... I don't remember what that's called tho)

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Pillbug

There's a bet on MMA thread, and someone occasionally will run a contest called GOONWEIGHT but the former has been dead for a while and the latter died due to

BrotherJayne
Nov 27, 2019

Cum Catapultae Proscriptae Erunt Tum Soli Proscripti Catapultas Habebunt


CommonShore posted:

There's a bet on MMA thread, and someone occasionally will run a contest called GOONWEIGHT but the former has been dead for a while and the latter died due to

Found 'em, thank you!

Memento
Aug 25, 2009




Clapping Larry

If you resurrect them I'd be up for playing a betting game like that.

Watch me go broke three rounds in though

Spokes
Jan 9, 2010

Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!

Memento posted:

If you resurrect them I'd be up for playing a betting game like that.

Watch me go broke three rounds in though

Ditto and major ditto

BrotherJayne
Nov 27, 2019

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Spokes posted:

Ditto and major ditto

Hells yes! This is the perfect time to start one too, with the first UFC event of 2020 a week out.

Definitely need someone else to start it tho

Artelier
Jan 23, 2015




Crossposting from the general thread before I was pointed to this one:

I peeked into the fitness forums and couldn't find a boxing/martial arts thread, so I thought I'd just ask here: are there any issues to using Muay Thai gloves as boxing gloves?

Just joined a martial arts gym (boxing for me, though there's muay thai, bjj, and taekwondo too). Been borrowing gloves for a week but would much rather have my own! Found some Venum Challengers nearby that doesn't break the bank for me.

Also, I found these Fairtex limited edition gloves, which is, most importantly, ON SALE and is therefore cheaper than the Venum Challengers in the end. And has 16oz in stock, making it a decent all rounder if my understanding of gloves is correct. But! Because they're limited edition, I can't find reviews of this particular model.

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008

A group of very serious old men sat around and discussed whether or not I had the requisite dignity and grace of a grand champion.


16oz gloves are widely considered to be the standard training size. You're fine.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012





CommonShore posted:

There's a bet on MMA thread, and someone occasionally will run a contest called GOONWEIGHT but the former has been dead for a while and the latter died due to


This is about a month late, but I resurrected the Goonweight thread for those that are interested. It's here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3911163

We are 2 events into the season but anyone reading this is free to join in whenever. The next season will begin in May or so.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him



Artelier posted:

Crossposting from the general thread before I was pointed to this one:

I peeked into the fitness forums and couldn't find a boxing/martial arts thread, so I thought I'd just ask here: are there any issues to using Muay Thai gloves as boxing gloves?

Just joined a martial arts gym (boxing for me, though there's muay thai, bjj, and taekwondo too). Been borrowing gloves for a week but would much rather have my own! Found some Venum Challengers nearby that doesn't break the bank for me.

Also, I found these Fairtex limited edition gloves, which is, most importantly, ON SALE and is therefore cheaper than the Venum Challengers in the end. And has 16oz in stock, making it a decent all rounder if my understanding of gloves is correct. But! Because they're limited edition, I can't find reviews of this particular model.

There is such a thread:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3790003

Feel free to post in there for ongoing training commentary / advice / commiseration.


When you're starting out, it absolutely won't be a problem to use kickboxing gloves for boxing.
Boxing gloves have padding concentrated over the knuckles, prioritizing punching (duh). Kickboxing gloves have some extra structure/padding to help shield your hands from kicks, which thins the knuckle padding a bit, but not in a way that would be noticeable when you're starting out.

amenbrotep
Jul 31, 2013



The thumbs of the glove will usually be more flexible in MT too, which is not a huge difference at an entry level, but if you want to get into MT it does effect clinching. In my experience it's way easier to use MT gloves to train boxing than it is the other way around.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009




Clapping Larry

This is probably already being talked about in other threads but for those not following them, a bunch of elite combat sports instructors have made their online instructional videos free while the Corona is keeping everyone home.

https://twitter.com/JackSlackMMA/st...236821101060103

https://twitter.com/Carbazel/status/1239911420000702465

Zomblified
Feb 17, 2011

Guess what? You got it for free! Are you proud of yourself?



We were talking about the prominence of low calf kicks and oblique kicks in MMA on Discord and I linked this video.
I've done lots of striking in my life but savate is really where my base is. The martial art definitely has some flaws, mostly due to where the kicks are landing, with a lot of kicks landing with the instep, and everything to do with punching. We condition our feet and compete in reinforced shoes for anyone worried about impact. When I was young I'd think the same thing about shin kicks not realizing they were conditioned. I think savate has a lot to offer and it's interesting that it's techniques have been coming to prominence lately in MMA.

It's an old video and a victim of YouTube compression but I've always liked this one for how it shows practical applications of savate against conventional kick defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKYIzHxs9A

Here's another one showing an oblique kick variation, Chassť Bas. It's gained prominence being thrown from a frontal position by fighters like Jon Jones which would just be referred to as a Chassť.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuv7JcHjGxY

Balayage kicks, especially effective with shoes on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9NLCagQ7vs

The first UFC runner-up, Gerard Gordeau, a specialist in savate and eye-gouges.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQtemIenEsA



These are the shoes you wear in savate competition. They have felt reinforcement in the toes and heels. Some also have leather reinforcement on the instep though most avoid them as that reduces power but prevents injury. Minor broken bones are pretty common to get from competition as a result, especially the ribs, toes, and small bones of the foot until the latter two have been conditioned. Reinforced toes to the ribs will always suck.

e:spelling and more videos

Zomblified fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jun 7, 2020

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kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him



Zomblified posted:

It's an old video and a victim of YouTube compression but I've always liked this one for how it shows practical applications of savate against conventional kick defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKYIzHxs9A

Yall can skip to 1:50 to start the techniques. And will prob need to crank the sound up. #1 seems pretty familiar tactically, at least feinting into a teep or front kick instead of a more committed sidekick.
#3 seems pretty standard, just a minimally commited high kick that skims along the guard so you don't have to turn over as much to use it.

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Here's another one showing an oblique kick variation, Chassť Bas. It's gained prominence being thrown from a frontal position by fighters like Jon Jones which would just be referred to as a Chassť.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuv7JcHjGxY
All of these look very familar to how we use sidekicks in Sanshou. Stepping off line and firing back into that lane, jamming the attacker with a sidekick, is a common high level tactic.

His students at 3:45 aren't bothering to chamber their kicks. I've never talked theory with any of my coaches on chambering vs not. My gut is that people who are fast can benefit from fully chambering and getting a really linear foot extension to generate more power. But if you're not fast, then you might as well fudge the chambering and move your foot forward as you execute.

One of the areas that makes drilling sidekicks hard, imo, is the big weight shift difference between landing the kick and not. We were taught to throw the sidekick with a bigger forward/sliding step compared to the advancing chasse bas, but it's hard to drill that by yourself with no pad/bag in front of you to check your momentum. Basically just didn't train linear kicks with as much finesse as savate has.

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Balayage kicks, especially effective with shoes on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9NLCagQ7vs
I've experimented with the coup de pied bas for a while (don't remember where I first saw it), but never got it to really work for me. It's slow because it comes from the rear, and is not that disruptive if your opponent doesn't have much weight on the front foot. You can keep them at punching range when you throw it, but of course they can punch right over the kick. Usually, if my goal is to disrupt their base, I'll wait for them to step in and do a low inside kick as the front leg is moving.

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