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Memento posted:Just watched Lomachenko/Rigondeaux and it was a boring shitshow. Couple of questions. Context matters. It wasn't a particularly entertaining match in a vacuum, but it should not have been possible to do what lomachenko did to Rigondeaux. That's what was so amazing. The ducking is a major part of Rigondeaux's defence and was very effective even in this fight. No idea if the excuse was legit, I'd love to think so so I don't have to live in a reality where someone is that much better than Rigondeaux, but funnily enough I think he was just outclassed, and quit out of frustration. No it was not all I expected.
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# ? Dec 10, 2017 11:56 |
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It was like Cruz vs Cody. Even if you could see Loma winning it was hard to imagine it would be that dominant, so even if the minute to minute stuff was boring, it was really mindblowing at the time Like, between the two there were 4 gold medals and a combined amateur record of like 800 and 12. It was a fight between the greatest amateur boxers ever and it was a blowout As for the ducking thing, I can write a longer post if you want but basically Loma took away his other options and the only adjustment Rigo made was to try to blow Loma harder vainman fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Dec 10, 2017 |
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Memento posted:Why did Rigo keep ducking so low? If you're the smaller fighter, and the bigger fighter keeps coming in on you, ducking is a workable way to get under his weapons to his waist. It's hard to punch that low and at short range with power. Loma had to pivot out to land those lead uppercuts on Rigo. quote:Please educate me as to whether this fight was all it was cracked up to be or if people who know what they're watching agree with my bad takes. Even so, the fight was not boring just to be able to see Loma stay balanced every step of every movement, coming in and out, side to side, with incredible precision, anticipation, and orchestration of his opponent's actions.
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 04:29 |
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kimbo305 posted:As soon as I saw them close in on the opening bell, I wrote Rigo off. really? i gave rigo the first (just) and it looked like the beginning of exactly the fight i thought it'd be. from the second on though, nadda
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 06:16 |
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kimbo305 posted:Even so, the fight was not boring just to be able to see Loma stay balanced every step of every movement, coming in and out, side to side, with incredible precision, anticipation, and orchestration of his opponent's actions. This is a really good paragraph to me. I get that my appreciation of any boxing match is always going to be tempered by my lack of knowledge of the sport and I simply couldn't see what was going on at anywhere near this level. Thanks for the explanation on the bending over as well, coming from watching a sport where doing that will get you kneed into the shadow realm it just seemed bizarre to me.
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 06:22 |
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Memento posted:I don't really know where to put this, but the BONE BREAK pictures in the new MMA and Wrestling Picture thread have reminded me of a kickboxing fight I saw maybe 15 years ago. One dude was wearing a grass skirt in this fight, and six seconds after it started, the other guy went down with a broken fibula. Like seriously, fighters close in, couple of punches to test the water, low roundhouse kick, guy falls over, ref call for the bell. Also I went through my old posts in this thread because I'm waiting for code to compile and I figured out what this fight was. Stan Longinides vs. Dennis Alexio. Dennis was wearing the grass skirt and had his leg broken in a handful of seconds. December 6th, 1992. I didn't make it up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu1lbRfdQfY
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 06:28 |
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Marching Powder posted:really? i gave rigo the first (just) and it looked like the beginning of exactly the fight i thought it'd be. from the second on though, nadda Rigondeaux definitely held his own in the first as both were probing, but I saw that size distance and knew he wouldn't be able to get out of it on skill.
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# ? Dec 11, 2017 16:14 |
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I've always liked watching BJJ in MMA matches but I only just started watching actual BJJ matches regularly and related things. What the hell was up with this Eddie Bravo and Renato Laranja thing going on years ago? I know who the actor is but what is happening with any of these interactions, including what is obviously a worked fight at Eddie's gym. Is it just Eddie being loving insane?
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# ? Dec 15, 2017 09:53 |
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Aesop Poprock posted:I've always liked watching BJJ in MMA matches but I only just started watching actual BJJ matches regularly and related things. What the hell was up with this Eddie Bravo and Renato Laranja thing going on years ago? I know who the actor is but what is happening with any of these interactions, including what is obviously a worked fight at Eddie's gym. Is it just Eddie being loving insane? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhnh3uURuGY
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# ? Dec 15, 2017 18:17 |
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Yeah I saw that I was just wondering if there was ever an explanation for what the impetus of the relationship and worked rivalry was
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# ? Dec 15, 2017 19:15 |
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Entertainment
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# ? Jan 10, 2018 02:13 |
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Just doing some moderately-drunken Fightpass watching, and tracking some Bantamweight title fights. Couple of questions: What happened to Renan Barao? Just couldn't cut it once the level of competition stepped up? And what's the thing that Brazilians in the crowd chant when their dude is fighting?
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# ? Jan 19, 2018 13:34 |
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Memento posted:Just doing some moderately-drunken Fightpass watching, and tracking some Bantamweight title fights. Couple of questions: They're chanting something to the equivalent of "you're gonna die" at the non - Brazilian fighter.
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# ? Jan 19, 2018 13:46 |
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UH, VAI MORRER
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# ? Jan 19, 2018 14:21 |
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Memento posted:Just doing some moderately-drunken Fightpass watching, and tracking some Bantamweight title fights. Couple of questions: My hypothesis is that Barao declined for psychological reasons, damage, and the weight class move. TJ - Bathtub - TJ would have been rough on his brain, rough on his health, and rough on his confidence.
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# ? Jan 19, 2018 15:13 |
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He was good but not bathtub good
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# ? Jan 19, 2018 16:58 |
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manyak was dead on about barao before the precipitous fall even happened. he called him an attributes fighter it bears out in the fights. he gets tagged and dropped but his chin, endurance, recovery, speed, power etc. get him back in the fight and he won over the long term
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# ? Jan 19, 2018 22:49 |
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Bundt Cake posted:manyak was dead on about barao before the precipitous fall even happened. he called him an attributes fighter additionally, he had extremely good takedown defense. the writing was on the wall in the eddie wineland fight. eddie took him to school in the first, but everyone except for manyak just forgot about it when renan landed that cool spinning back kick in the second.
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# ? Jan 19, 2018 23:42 |
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Marching Powder posted:additionally, he had extremely good takedown defense. I was very proud of my boy Eddie for winning that round and very angry at the judges and writers who thought Barao won the round.
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# ? Jan 19, 2018 23:43 |
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Bundt Cake posted:manyak was dead on about barao before the precipitous fall even happened. he called him an attributes fighter i like those kinds of fighters the most
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 07:46 |
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Most elite fighters are attribute fighters. Who're the physically least gifted fighters in this era who get by on wiles and technique? For a long time, I woulda said Joe Lauzon. Mike Pyle?
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 08:16 |
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kimbo305 posted:Most elite fighters are attribute fighters. Who're the physically least gifted fighters in this era who get by on wiles and technique? For a long time, I woulda said Joe Lauzon. Mike Pyle? Maia?
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 08:19 |
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LobsterMobster posted:Maia? Darren the Damage Elkins is on a 6 fight winning streak.
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 08:26 |
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Darren the Damage Elkins is on a 6 fight winning streak. his attribute is "takes punches really well"
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kimbo305 posted:Most elite fighters are attribute fighters. Who're the physically least gifted fighters in this era who get by on wiles and technique? For a long time, I woulda said Joe Lauzon. Mike Pyle? Connor mcgregor, unironically. Well his attribute could be crazy weight cutting
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 15:16 |
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LobsterMobster posted:his attribute is "takes punches really well" His body morphs like Doomsday, explains why he's so goddamn ugly.
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 15:28 |
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Wild Horses posted:Connor mcgregor, unironically. Well his attribute could be crazy weight cutting Conor mcgregor had like a foot of reach on guys at fw
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 16:27 |
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When i think non attribute fighter i think jon fitch, jake shields, donald cerrone, etc
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 16:43 |
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kimbo305 posted:Most elite fighters are attribute fighters. Who're the physically least gifted fighters in this era who get by on wiles and technique? For a long time, I woulda said Joe Lauzon. Mike Pyle? Machida in his prime wasn't much of a physical specimen. I think Fedor is the ultimate example of this. When my dad saw him fight he said he looked like a used car salesman. Also the Diaz brothers. They've got reach and good chins, but had way less muscle than their opponents. None of these guys is close to the top these days though.
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 16:45 |
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david carmichael posted:When i think non attribute fighter i think jon fitch, jake shields, donald cerrone, etc Forrest Griffin.
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 17:31 |
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George Sotiropoulos was a spoiled oil magnate's son trapped in a 70 year olds body
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 17:36 |
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david carmichael posted:Conor mcgregor had like a foot of reach on guys at fw See: nutso weight cut He’s a lot less impressive at lightweight. Diaz brothers are retardedly tough and have cardio better than anyone.
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 17:45 |
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Wild Horses posted:See: nutso weight cut He's fast, hits hard even at 155, and has chin to make up for his undeveloped defense.
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 18:09 |
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Jeremy Horn was the ultimate skills only fighter and it showed. Chael? He seems decently strong but it's hard to tell.
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 18:10 |
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Wild Horses posted:See: nutso weight cut He still has a big reach for lightweight, and an average reach for welter
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 18:50 |
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kimbo305 posted:Jeremy Horn was the ultimate skills only fighter and it showed. Chael was incredibly physically weak until he got on the secret sauce
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 18:51 |
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david carmichael posted:Chael was incredibly physically weak until he got on the secret sauce Has he said if he was juicing for the first Anderson fight?
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 19:40 |
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kimbo305 posted:Has he said if he was juicing for the first Anderson fight? He was juicing for every fight.
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 19:48 |
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kimbo305 posted:Has he said if he was juicing for the first Anderson fight? He did and he failed the gently caress out of that drug test anyway.
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# ? Jan 20, 2018 19:49 |
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Fozzy The Bear posted:He was juicing for every fight. he is definitely off the juice now that he is in bellator though
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