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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



NikkolasKing posted:

Why do people hate Don King? I'm not saying there aren't a million reasons, I just legit don't know. He's been the subject of parody and scorn since Rocky V all the way back in 1990 but apparently he was still working with Tyson and stuff well after that. So if he was a crook and everybody knew it, why were they hiring him so he could rip them off?

Boxers aren't that smart, he had a ton of promotional power, he's charismatic, and he'd get people into these contracts when they were young and vulnerable.

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mewse
May 2, 2006




NikkolasKing posted:

Why do people hate Don King? I'm not saying there aren't a million reasons, I just legit don't know. He's been the subject of parody and scorn since Rocky V all the way back in 1990 but apparently he was still working with Tyson and stuff well after that. So if he was a crook and everybody knew it, why were they hiring him so he could rip them off?

The whole sport was (and to a lesser extent, still is) incredibly corrupt.

CarlCX
Dec 14, 2003

and she walked in
looking like dynamite




When you work your way into a position of power people tend to need/use you even if you're a scumbag who's ripped off everyone who came before you and has quite literally stomped people to death for fun. If you analogize anything from wrestling, it's how very, very easy it is for people, especially people in athletic fields with disproportionate senses of self-confidence, to say "well, that won't happen to me" even when all available evidence indicates that, yes, it absolutely will.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009




Bleak Gremlin

A more focused question about Don King would be "did anyone he promoted who had any success not end up suing him?"

MysteryNad
Dec 5, 2003

Here in my guard
I feel safest of all
I can lock up my guard
It's the only way to fight
In guard


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKzh18yGKo0

SA Forums Poster
Oct 13, 2018

You have to PAY to post on that forum?!?


Anyone have the videos of the goon that did a parody of that promo?

The Golden Gael
Nov 12, 2011



I'm new to these parts so I apologize if this isn't the right place or this is opening a can of worms. I wanna tell you about a fellow I've been researching though, named George Dillman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfyuAM3ieAI

George claims he can perform no-touch knockouts and swears by pressure points as the deadliest place to strike a foe. He's taken a lot of flack in the last few decades by the next generation of martial artists that don't buy his bullshit. But what if I told you he was once one of the most revered karateka around, even training with Bruce Lee and Muhammad Ali?

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005



He'd get wrecked by pretty much any amateur fighter let alone a professional one.

Here's a Chinese MMA fighter that was at best OK at MMA, but he's found a niche going around clowning every 'master' that says the same types of things you say in your post. He literally gets hosed with by the CCP because he shits all over their state martial arts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycu7dvHBzk0

DumbWhiteGuy
Jul 4, 2007

You need haters. Fellas if you got 20 haters, you need 40 of them motherfuckers. If there's any haters in here that don't have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me


Mr. Nice! posted:

He'd get wrecked by pretty much any amateur fighter let alone a professional one.

Here's a Chinese MMA fighter that was at best OK at MMA, but he's found a niche going around clowning every 'master' that says the same types of things you say in your post. He literally gets hosed with by the CCP because he shits all over their state martial arts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycu7dvHBzk0

i've been following this guy for awhile and all his videos really kick rear end because he just beats the poo poo out of these wushu masters

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

He is I, and I am him



The government came down really hard on him, and the one interview he gave about it, he sounded as spooked as Ai Wei Wei did after the secret police visited him.

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Mr. Nice! posted:

He'd get wrecked by pretty much any amateur fighter let alone a professional one.

Here's a Chinese MMA fighter that was at best OK at MMA, but he's found a niche going around clowning every 'master' that says the same types of things you say in your post. He literally gets hosed with by the CCP because he shits all over their state martial arts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycu7dvHBzk0

that dude has some massive balls. holy poo poo

Memento
Aug 25, 2009




Bleak Gremlin

The Golden Gael posted:

But what if I told you he was once one of the most revered karateka around, even training with Bruce Lee and Muhammad Ali?

The most important word in this sentence is once. It's an all-too-common trope. Sure, once he was a highly respected instructor and worked with legitimate martial artists and combat sports athletes. Then, he swallowed his own bullshit, hook, line and sinker, and decided he was some mystical dim mak expert who could make the bottom brick explode by hitting the top brick. And because he was previously the highly regarded expert, either people weren't willing to tell him to knock it off, or he was surrounded by students of his who either believed along with him or were too polite/afraid for their positions to say anything.

One of the best gold exploration experts in Australia is also a proponent for the Expanding Earth theory. Which is utter bullshit. But he is good enough at the thing he really does in his job to be tolerated in his wackiness. Happens in a wide variety of disciplines.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



Best way to beat George Dillman is just to be a non-believant and also move your tongue in the wrong spot. He said so himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0

also never forget the time Stephan Bonnar was in a news report about the chi KO not working

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdrzBL2dHMI

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Oct 12, 2020

knox
Oct 28, 2004



NikkolasKing posted:

Why do people hate Don King? I'm not saying there aren't a million reasons, I just legit don't know. He's been the subject of parody and scorn since Rocky V all the way back in 1990 but apparently he was still working with Tyson and stuff well after that. So if he was a crook and everybody knew it, why were they hiring him so he could rip them off?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUVcv4i_SLg

King also destroyed Tyson's career once he became his mentor after Cus D'Amato died, making him fire his trainer Kevin Rooney & anybody left over. He lost 18 months later to Buster Douglas in one of the biggest upsets ever.

knox fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Oct 25, 2020

knox
Oct 28, 2004



edit;doublepost

Cheese Thief
Oct 30, 2020



Not sure where to post this: I started watching UFC when the very first came out on PPV and watched it all through the 90s when it was still a Gracie infommercial. Does ESPN streaming service provide every UFC, 1 on? I am thinking about reliving my childhood with those early spectacles, binging them all until I'm caught up to today. Where is it available.

CarlCX
Dec 14, 2003

and she walked in
looking like dynamite




Cheese Thief posted:

Not sure where to post this: I started watching UFC when the very first came out on PPV and watched it all through the 90s when it was still a Gracie infommercial. Does ESPN streaming service provide every UFC, 1 on? I am thinking about reliving my childhood with those early spectacles, binging them all until I'm caught up to today. Where is it available.

ESPN doesn't, you have to subscribe to the UFC's own streaming service, https://ufcfightpass.com/. This used to be a better deal because it was also where they'd host live prelims and fight nights, but that's all on ESPN now, so Fight Pass is $10 a month for access to the vault of old events and occasionally they'll host cards for smaller orgs like Invicta. On the plus side, the Fight Pass vault also has Pride and Strikeforce and othersuch stuff on it, so there's basically a lifetime's worth of MMA on it, depending on how hard you want to binge.

Spokes
Jan 9, 2010

Thanks for a MONSTER of an avatar, Awful Survivor Mods!

Also it probably doesnít use your PC to mine cryptocurrency anymore! So thatís nice.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013



CarlCX posted:

ESPN doesn't, you have to subscribe to the UFC's own streaming service, https://ufcfightpass.com/. This used to be a better deal because it was also where they'd host live prelims and fight nights, but that's all on ESPN now, so Fight Pass is $10 a month for access to the vault of old events and occasionally they'll host cards for smaller orgs like Invicta. On the plus side, the Fight Pass vault also has Pride and Strikeforce and othersuch stuff on it, so there's basically a lifetime's worth of MMA on it, depending on how hard you want to binge.

It also includes a lot of non MMA stuff, like professional kickboxing and BJJ.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


CarlCX posted:

ESPN doesn't, you have to subscribe to the UFC's own streaming service, https://ufcfightpass.com/. This used to be a better deal because it was also where they'd host live prelims and fight nights, but that's all on ESPN now, so Fight Pass is $10 a month for access to the vault of old events and occasionally they'll host cards for smaller orgs like Invicta. On the plus side, the Fight Pass vault also has Pride and Strikeforce and othersuch stuff on it, so there's basically a lifetime's worth of MMA on it, depending on how hard you want to binge.

Not sure if this is relevant to Cheese Thief or not, but if you're non-US then FightPass still does all the prelims and fight nights so it's still a good deal.

Cheese Thief
Oct 30, 2020



I think it's interesting, and I love the old fights. But I'm not sure if it's something I'd want to do. I went to Jiu Jitsu for a week, then I got a nasty staph infection on my foot and just stopped going. I don't want my joints all hosed up either. It's a shame, I wish there was some kind of sport I could do other than lifting weight in my living room.

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Nov 1, 2020


Mekchu posted:

Best way to beat George Dillman is just to be a non-believant and also move your tongue in the wrong spot. He said so himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0_n7tGnK0

Or study at an actual martials arts school.

cough

Profighting tips; Asymmetry and you!

No matter what forms and functions are taught, it will regard being even with yourself. Left arm to right arm, left leg to right leg, all that.

However! Everyone on earth has something a lil off about them. It makes us special~

For example; I have a "trick knee" in my right leg. When kicking with my left, I still use proper fight form to swing it up, or inside and out. With my right, it doesn't have a normal hinge, and I can whip and flail it like a wrecking ball or a mace.

Use what is wrong with you to benefit in battle!

~Signed, former Tokusentai JET-O-MAN Hero.

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