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But how much of their total earnings are they paying their manager and training camp and all the related costs, like travel? I imagine it's usually a smaller percentage at the top level as the training costs don't scale with income, but I wonder what Freddie Roach charges by the hour for boxing lessons.
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I can't answer that I know some agents take in the vicinity of 4%, some more some probably less by the same token though, being trained by Freddie Roach and being managed by someone like Ed Soares probably means you're going to be making more and more money as time goes on.
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Mar 17, 2011 08:34
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Halloween Jack posted:But how much of their total earnings are they paying their manager and training camp and all the related costs, like travel? I imagine it's usually a smaller percentage at the top level as the training costs don't scale with income, but I wonder what Freddie Roach charges by the hour for boxing lessons. UFC pays for travel.
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Mar 17, 2011 08:51
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Halloween Jack posted:But how much of their total earnings are they paying their manager and training camp and all the related costs, like travel? I imagine it's usually a smaller percentage at the top level as the training costs don't scale with income, but I wonder what Freddie Roach charges by the hour for boxing lessons. This is actually less true than you'd think. Low level guys are mostly training at their local gym where they're also teaching at, whereas many UFC star types are running their own personal camp and bringing in personal coaches, training partners, etc.
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Mar 17, 2011 09:19
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The real issue is not guys in the UFC, its the fighters who are coming up that make like 500 bucks a fight. Your early years are when you develop skills, so the less time a pro fighter has to spend not training, the better he will be, long term. This is not really the UFC's problem or anything one person can fix, but if we want to see athletes on par with sports like Baseball, basketball, football, there needs to be a system for fighters to work to the top.
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Mar 17, 2011 15:09
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jeffersonlives posted:This is actually less true than you'd think. Low level guys are mostly training at their local gym where they're also teaching at, whereas many UFC star types are running their own personal camp and bringing in personal coaches, training partners, etc.
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Mar 17, 2011 15:29
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ufc should pay by the hour
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Mar 17, 2011 16:18
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Tezcatlipoca posted:UFC pays for travel. This btw includes hotel and a perdiem for food for the fighter and his cornermen.
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Mar 17, 2011 16:21
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OH WORD SON posted:ufc should pay by the hour Todd Duffee would make more at Dairy Queen 
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Mar 17, 2011 16:41
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fawker posted:This btw includes hotel and a perdiem for food for the fighter and his cornermen. I wonder what the top guys are paying to fly somebody in as part of their training camp. Just the lodging and per diem to have somebody come to a city to lecture or whatever for a few days gets pretty expensive pretty quickly.
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Mar 17, 2011 16:59
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BlindSite posted:If you think these guys are making just a base wage from their published payouts you're way off. I think you can't read bolded text. It's right there in my post that you quoted - the question of whether they earn *enough* isn't what I'm interested in so much, nor am I unaware that the potential income sources are manifold. I specifically don't really "get" (I do get it now that it's been explained better, but I don't like it) the UFC's semi-secret locker-room bonuses. On the other hand, if you do want to talk about whether the fighters earn enough or not... well, frankly, I don't think $50,000/yr is much of an income for a bus driver, let alone someone who is getting punched in the face, choked, or generally roughed up on television.
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Mar 17, 2011 17:15
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Xguard86 posted:The real issue is not guys in the UFC, its the fighters who are coming up that make like 500 bucks a fight. Your early years are when you develop skills, so the less time a pro fighter has to spend not training, the better he will be, long term. I wish at the amateur level, promoters had enough cash to cover per diems and bus fare or gas money. That would take the edge off of people scraping just to be able to fight.
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Mar 17, 2011 17:38
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kensei posted:Todd Duffee would make more at Dairy Queen "Okay Guys, that fight lasted 2 minutes. I have you both at 16.50 an hour, so
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Mar 17, 2011 18:02
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Five Cent Deposit posted:frankly, I don't think $50,000/yr is much of an income for a bus driver, let alone someone who is getting punched in the face, choked, or generally roughed up on television. I am assuming the cost of living where you live is very high, because 50k per year for someone with a HS level education is enormous. I looked it up, that is more than double the average for bus drivers in my area. A UFC fighter should def make more than 50k though, considering they are at the top of their sport.
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Mar 17, 2011 18:06
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Xguard86 posted:I am assuming the cost of living where you live is very high, because 50k per year for someone with a HS level education is enormous. I looked it up, that is more than double the average for bus drivers in my area. I get really sad when I see the new guys on the UFC undercards make 5000/5000 (Im sure Dana rewards them with extra stuff but still...)
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Mar 17, 2011 18:30
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being a bus driver in toronto requires way more skills and training than being mac danzig
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Mar 17, 2011 18:34
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Xguard86 posted:I am assuming the cost of living where you live is very high, because 50k per year for someone with a HS level education is enormous. I looked it up, that is more than double the average for bus drivers in my area.
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Mar 17, 2011 18:43
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kimbo305 posted:I wish at the amateur level, promoters had enough cash to cover per diems and bus fare or gas money. That would take the edge off of people scraping just to be able to fight. Just move to Vegas, duh.
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Mar 17, 2011 18:52
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The bus driver is driving the bus 8 hours a day 5 days a week. UFC Fighters might spend 45 minutes a year fighting on TV. Medical and travel expenses associated with these fights are covered. If you count sponsorships and bonuses, UFC fighters who make it on TV/PPV probably earn more in 15 minutes than a bus driver does in a year. If they're successful it's going to be a LOT more. I know the fighters spend a lot of time and money on training, but I seriously doubt many of them spend 8 hours a day at it. I bet a lot of them make as much as the bus driver just from their day jobs as engineers, head bouncers, MMA instructors, shady real estate agents, etc.
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Mar 17, 2011 19:09
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preliminary research suggests that very few bus drivers are currently mac danzig. that's encouraging.
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Mar 17, 2011 19:30
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OH WORD SON posted:ufc should pay by the hour They do that is why GSP makes the most money.
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Mar 17, 2011 19:35
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MassRayPer posted:They do that is why GSP makes the most money. The Charles Dickens of MMA.
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Mar 17, 2011 19:49
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Thermos H Christ posted:The bus driver is driving the bus 8 hours a day 5 days a week. UFC Fighters might spend 45 minutes a year fighting on TV. Medical and travel expenses associated with these fights are covered. If you count sponsorships and bonuses, UFC fighters who make it on TV/PPV probably earn more in 15 minutes than a bus driver does in a year. If they're successful it's going to be a LOT more. bus drivers dont get parkinson's from driving a bus
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Mar 17, 2011 20:29
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so what you are saying is that bus drivers are twice as smart as fighters
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Gomi Pile posted:so what you are saying is that bus drivers are twice as smart as fighters Bus drivers in Toronto anyways, seem capable of texting and driving a bus full of people at the same time. Chuck Liddell struggles to form sentences.
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Mar 17, 2011 22:34
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chucks hook would be stellar on the swinging arm used to open and shut doors. WHOOSH record time opening and shutting them bitches
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Mar 17, 2011 22:36
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Pneub posted:Just move to Vegas, duh. Thanks for the flip response to a general issue, I guess? I've known guys who couldn't accept an amateur fight out of state because they couldn't get a ride.
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kimbo305 posted:Thanks for the flip response to a general issue, I guess? I've known guys who couldn't accept an amateur fight out of state because they couldn't get a ride. No, seriously. All fighters should move to Vegas.
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kimbo305 posted:Thanks for the flip response to a general issue, I guess? I've known guys who couldn't accept an amateur fight out of state because they couldn't get a ride. A Cagepotato.com poster asked for bus fair to get out to TUF tryouts a week or so ago. And the internet provided. It should set a precedent for PSP guys. mobn, willie_dee, and those who come after you: If you'll fight on tape and post it for the internet's amusement, we'll chip in.
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Mar 18, 2011 07:08
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Pneub posted:No, seriously. All fighters should move to Vegas. at least you don't have to find a sauna, just wrap yourself in trashbags and stand outside for 30 minutes.
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kimbo305 posted:Thanks for the flip response to a general issue, I guess? I've known guys who couldn't accept an amateur fight out of state because they couldn't get a ride. agreed. there is no more serious and unfunny problem than somebody not getting his mom's sonata for the weekend.
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Gomi Pile posted:agreed. there is no more serious and unfunny problem than somebody not getting his mom's sonata for the weekend. If I had said judo tournament you would be flipping out.
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judo is for children. i don't think mothers should be letting children drive themselves.
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words of wisdom from a child. While it doesn't bother me that amateur fighters have to pay to fight, since most of them won't have long careers, I did wish the distinction between pro and am was more than "here's $50 for this last-minute rescheduled bout, now gently caress off." By the time you're making $5k on the untelevised part of a UFC event, you've probably sunk a couple years pay just trying to make it in the sport. Again, those bus driving jobs must be tempting.
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kimbo305 posted:words of wisdom from a child. that's literally the same as every other sport. except most of them have parents footing the bills. hockey, football, wrestling, driving, golf,boxing whatever. all very expensive and you don't get any money for years and years and years.
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For sure, all sports are money sinks. But many of them are structured through schools and are just outlets for physical activity. So I imagine way more kids are doing it for fun, and the proportion considering turning pro is much lower.
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so what is your point? what is your solution? these people participating in this activity (which costs money, just like every other similar activity) with a very high barrier to the professional level (just like every other similar activity) should get paid to play their game? everyone else in a beer league isn't getting paid.
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i really like your softball league ed, but i know guys in AAA ball who are getting paid 500 bucks a game. i'm gonna have to sit until you make a better offer.
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Is baseball slide-kicking someone on the ground specifically illegal in most major promotions? I can't think of many good applications, it would at least be a funny way to kick dudes in that loving flipped-over turtle defense.
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Pneub posted:Is baseball slide-kicking someone on the ground specifically illegal in most major promotions? I can't think of many good applications, it would at least be a funny way to kick dudes in that loving flipped-over turtle defense. No, you can soccer kick people in the legs and body when they're on the ground.
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