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I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


do amateur fighters cut weight too? if i had to guess, probably some do depending on the sport, but its not necessarily required to be competitive as an amateur right? like maybe its more important in grappling than say kickboxing or something. anyway, id like to know for sure.

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I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


thank you all for the answers

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


vainman posted:

Yeah, the guy in my av, Shamwow Shamhalaev. Before:



and after. He needed half a pound to make weight.



haha. did it work?

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Liquid Communism posted:

On the subject of stoppages, why did the ref in the Kimbo Slice 'fight' recently let it go as long as it did?

he was just doing his job

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


most of the classics in cycling are at least 50 years old, some over 100. except for the prudential ridelondon-surrey classic but thats a stupid name for a stupid race.

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


omg chael crash posted:

What's the USADA policy on caffeine? I have a friend who INSISTS that anything more than 2 cups a coffee isn't allowed/banned and that seems crazy to me. He says this is both in and out of completion which is certainly not true, but there can not be that strict regulations on caffeine leading up to a fight ...right?

max allowed is based on ur body weight. i cant remember the exact amount per kg but u wont reach it without pills or powder

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Jerusalem posted:

I don't know much about MMA but in terms of moderation the principles are pretty universal. I'll keep an eye on what is going on and if any of you have issues PM me or use the Report button and I'll help out.

probably like 2 people were probated in the mma chat thread in the last year so i wouldn't worry too much about it

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Your Personal Muse posted:

Hello friends,

I'm looking for some good MMA fights between a submission expert and stand up guy. I understand that people are more well rounded than that, but I'd like some fights that essentially devolve into the dichotomy. Could anyone help out?

fedor vs big nog, i think either of the fights that went to a decision happened in similar ways but im not sure. but at least one of them was very good. assuming u want close fights and not 1 or the other winning in minutes which is generally how fights seem to go between specialists

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


oh and my favourite fight ryo chonan vs anderson silva. although theyre both reasonably well rounded fighters

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Bundt Cake posted:

those are both grapplers inri

well yeah but dont u think that the fight was very much striking vs grappling? at least the one i know which is where noguiera was constantly trying to submit fedor from guard while fedor was defending and trying to knock him out

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Stairmaster posted:

does boxing gently caress up your brain more than football?

i should think it depends on how many concussions you get while doing them

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


...and the pitch! posted:

Which sort of indicates the question is about concussion rates

I would have to say that depends on how many hard impacts your head takes

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


theres fairly new technology in cycling helmets called MIPS, basically its like a shell inside the helmet that rotates with your skull a little on impact. i guess the principle involved is similar to hitting the ground sliding instead of directly in a bike crash

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Jeb! Repetition posted:

Why is the McGregor vs. Mayweather fight such a big deal?

conor mcgregor and floyd mayweather are fighting in it

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


white belt here but generally speaking in a fight it seems to me like a bad idea to get yourself tied up in a position like that unless youre threatening a submission. if for whatever reason you lose control while youre mounted like that its harder to stand up from

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


02-6611-0142-1 posted:

I think by the very definition of s-mount you're threatening submission. It's like mount except they can't move either shoulder and you have two armbars 75% finished. I'm leaning towards that transitional idea, that it's bad because it snaps you out of the mount/technical mount/back control flow.

ill defer to you there. but either way i think the answer is simpler, its harder to stand up from and easier to compromise

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Bundt Cake posted:

manyak was dead on about barao before the precipitous fall even happened. he called him an attributes fighter

it bears out in the fights. he gets tagged and dropped but his chin, endurance, recovery, speed, power etc. get him back in the fight and he won over the long term

i like those kinds of fighters the most

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Grifter posted:

Isn't this basically every fighter who is good though? Anderson used a great chin, insane reflexes and his long body type to great effect. He also happened to have amazing pinpoint striking and good jiu jitsu but it's hard to deny that his physical gifts enabled his style. Mighty Mouse has a great well rounded skill set but it wouldn't work if he wasn't also quick as hell and generally athletic. This mostly sounds like a way of putting down fighters that people don't like. "Oh yeah, Jon Jones won a lot but he just did it with his attributes unlike the hard working Randy Couture".

even if it was true the fighters who have the best bodies are the hardest workers anyway. like yoel romero and souza etc.

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Bundt Cake posted:

If Barao's recovery and chin weren't amazing combined with fantastic cardio and power, he'd have been poo poo

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


fedor was really good, his fights against nogueira showed his character well

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


02-6611-0142-1 posted:

Speaking of attributes, what’s the deal with heavyweights like Fedor who seemed to move impossibly fast for their size? Do you think that’s a trainable attribute or can it only be granted by the direct blessing of Zeus?

it is a trainable attribute, put simply its the result of a lot of high intensity intervals, which are basically short explosive efforts done rapidly at an intensity that cant be maintained for more than a specific amount of time, 1 minute, 5 minutes, 15 minutes, even 45 etc. anyone can develop above average speed if they specifically focus on it, but if your work as an athlete doesnt require it either due to your style or your discipline within the sport you compete in then it doesnt make sense to devote a full program of training to it. fedor no doubt spent a lot of time on it since it suited him to do that

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Aesop Poprock posted:

What the hell is Combat Challenge North East? It says they’re based out of England and looks like there are children matches which doesn’t seem legal

they're probably local to me. i doubt they're breaking any laws, you can fight at 16 (in boxing for sure, dunno about mma) and maybe younger with safety considerations. honestly i wouldnt look down on it anyway, council estate kids in the north east badly need something worthwhile to do with their time

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Jerusalem posted:

This reminds me that I heard people genuinely saying a few years ago saying that Ronda could beat Floyd Mayweather in a boxing match

it happened in here all the time until ronda lost to holm, people were just getting carried away cos she looked strong in her fights. kinda funny to see fatherdog saying it though since hes a bjj black belt and stuff

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


kimbo305 posted:

I could imagine him saying she could beat him in an MMA match.

all that kind of stuff is basically the same thing. theres some sports where i believe women can be superior to men at the top level such as ultramarathons but fighting isnt one of them and nobody should ever try to find out either

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Mr. Carlisle posted:

I appreciate all the answers and examples. I looked up a lot of them and especially with things like the Rothwell example drat - it seems insane that someone can break an arm during a fight and still gut through it to pull off a win. Adrenaline is a hell of a thing. Just thinking about how many fighters have broken a hand during a fight and continued to throw punches with it anyway makes me cringe on how much that had to have hurt.

i have personal experience with this, with breaking a collarbone and finishing a bike race (it was something like an hour from where i crashed to the finish line). it takes the edge off your performance but its true you dont feel the pain too badly. frankly speaking a broken bone isnt too bad on the pain scale and luckily the roads were reasonably smooth or i might have cried like a little girl. if a fighter is throwing punches with a broken hand or something its probably just to try and hide it from his opponent, theres no way they will be throwing anything they intend to land with it

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Tezcatlipoca posted:

This isn't true.

well, i personally sure wouldnt do it. obviously im not a fighter but if i threw a punch with a broken hand it would just be for the sake of going through the motions. since even if the mind is willing, theres always going to be some subconscious barrier or something making you pull back a bit. i suppose it comes down down to how you think

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011



cant argue with that ... good work mister franklin

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I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


Mr. Carlisle posted:

Reminds me of that one Tyson documentary from years ago that talks about how he never visualized punching a guy, he visualized punching through his head and into whatever was behind him and that's why he hits so hard. I don't remember the exact quote but the dead eyed serious way he said it was pretty terrifying. Tyson is a scary dude when he wants to be - then you see him holding his pigeons and laughing and making jokes.

isnt that common sense that all strikers are taught? though i dont disagree that he is a ferocious person

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