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RandallODim posted:The single page in Secret Wars #1 with Frank was a better Punisher comic than Edmondson's entire run. Yeah, i was really hoping that's what this issue would be about. I don't get why they didn't.
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RandallODim posted:The single page in Secret Wars #1 with Frank was a better Punisher comic than Edmondson's entire run. RandallODim posted:I'd say the former issue is a significant part of the latter. Oh in general Punisher news I found an old issue with a fan letter specifically recommending a .44 magnum with a specific bullet grain for Frank. It's hilariously specific and still kind of wrong factually. I have to scan it. site posted:Yeah, i was really hoping that's what this issue would be about. I don't get why they didn't. Ditto. Even worse is that loving confined it to one panel to just flat out tell you it's not going to happen. Like a kick in the dick for added fun.
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Jun 29, 2015 19:00
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gfanikf posted:Well I can't disagree with that. Same. My loyalty to Frank has been pushed to the limit with this run. Edmunson should've just made a new comic for dealing with his personal animosities instead of making GBS threads on not only an established character, but one whose entire history runs counter to how he is portrayed here. And yeah, I've been enjoying how much they've been using The Punisher in Secret Wars. Was very pleasantly surprised. Thought they would just have the Frank/Strange arc, but he (or at least The Punisher) has been in like half of the different series put out for the event. I wonder why they even started this new "arc"since it's only two issues long too.
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Jun 29, 2015 20:29
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It's kind of weird to me that I saw the conversation on here about Edmundson being personally somewhat right-wing, and then #19 came out. It struck me as very much Chuck Dixon-era war porn up until this point, but holy poo poo #19 is John Ringo's Ghost levels of tone-blind.
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Jun 29, 2015 21:39
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I can't wait until he takes on evil activist judges for perverting natural laws. "What's a bullet with out a chamber Judge Binsgurg?"
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Jun 29, 2015 22:38
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If it were The Activity feat. Frank Castle that would've been cool. Apparently Greg Rucka's plans for Frank post War Zone would've been to have SHIELD draft him from his prison into a seriously black wet works groups and to see how things fell from there. That would've been loving awesome. #19 wasn't The Activity, though. Team Omaha killed a lot of brown people, yeah, but they were professionals about it and the tone was never so right wing spergy, and not just because the closest thing to a point of view was a female rookie brought in from Army Civil Affairs, and not a musclebound white uberman worshiped by all Right Thinking Americans for killing evil nonwhites en masse.
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Jun 30, 2015 06:38
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Mars4523 posted:If it were The Activity feat. Frank Castle that would've been cool. Apparently Greg Rucka's plans for Frank post War Zone would've been to have SHIELD draft him from his prison into a seriously black wet works groups and to see how things fell from there. That would've been loving awesome. Ennis already showed in his first MAX arc how this ends for everyone, though.
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Jun 30, 2015 07:31
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TheJoker138 posted:Ennis already showed in his first MAX arc how this ends for everyone, though. I have a lot of faith in Rucka to do things in a readably different way than that.
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Jun 30, 2015 07:43
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Well, for what it's worth you can stop worrying about the quality of Edmondson's Punisher #19. Because the preview for #20 is out and it looks 100x worse. Dear god.
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Jul 18, 2015 12:59
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Well it really says something that I stuck with this for so long and we're like one issue from the end and I'm like "yeah, no, I don't care there's one issue left i'm out."
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Jul 18, 2015 14:38
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The GBS suicide squad thread got me wondering, is there a DC equivalent to The Punisher?
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Jul 21, 2015 22:07
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site posted:The GBS suicide squad thread got me wondering, is there a DC equivalent to The Punisher? Hitman, Puppy Welder and the Red Lanterns
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Jul 21, 2015 22:10
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site posted:The GBS suicide squad thread got me wondering, is there a DC equivalent to The Punisher? Wild Dog
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Jul 21, 2015 22:11
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redbackground posted:Wild Dog In the same way that Lobo is DC's answer to Venom or Wolverine.
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Jul 21, 2015 22:31
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Red Hood probably qualifies.
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Jul 22, 2015 10:39
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Lurdiak posted:Red Hood probably qualifies. Thinking about it, this is probably the right answer
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Jul 22, 2015 16:09
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Hell Frank isn't even the only Punisher like figure in 616. Just most of them are inactive or dead, like Scourge.
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Jul 22, 2015 17:21
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Yeah, Red Hood is pretty much Literally Punisher, right down to having a really similar relationship to Batman as Punisher does to Daredevil.
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Jul 22, 2015 17:40
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notthegoatseguy posted:Hell Frank isn't even the only Punisher like figure in 616. Just most of them are inactive or dead, like Scourge. Or Solo.
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Jul 23, 2015 19:19
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ruddiger posted:Or Solo. I mean the guy killed Greedo in a cold manner, but I dunno about him being on the Punisher's level
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Jul 23, 2015 19:55
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ruddiger posted:Or Solo. WHILE I LIVE TERROR DIES! Y'know in retrospect that character's nuttyness about terr'rism was pretty loving prescient.
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Jul 24, 2015 22:45
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I started out liking Edmondson's run, but with each issue I liked it less and less until the most recent issues, which I haaaaated.
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Jul 24, 2015 23:03
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Little Mac posted:I started out liking Edmondson's run, but with each issue I liked it less and less until the most recent issues, which I haaaaated. Yeah. What really tipped me was when I went away and came back and picked up like 5 comics and read them and it was pretty much frank gets captured, escapes, gets captured, escapes, ~politics~ and read as whole like that it was so empty.
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Jul 25, 2015 14:36
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How much interest would there be in doing a Lets Read thread with the Punisher. I did a similar one with Constantine, but have been reading the Punisher for as long as I can remember. Start at the beginning and hit everyone, even 2099.
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Count me interested!
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Jul 26, 2015 13:26
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Hell yeah.
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Flaggy posted:How much interest would there be in doing a Lets Read thread with the Punisher. I did a similar one with Constantine, but have been reading the Punisher for as long as I can remember. That is a massive endeavor and I support it. It'll be interesting to look at how Punisher was written before Ennis redefined the character.
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Aug 2, 2015 18:14
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i'd be very down, i've been chippin away at Essential Punisher v.1 over the past month or so.
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Aug 2, 2015 18:20
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I read through all the early Punisher stuff in high school, and while I fully support you doing this, just beware that a lot of it is a slog of unmemorable or flat out bad stories. Like sure, every once in a while there's a highlight like Frank becoming black for two issues to team up with Luke Cage, but there's a ton of boring generic mobster stuff in between that stuff.
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Aug 3, 2015 01:51
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I can't wait until we get to the story where Batroc repeatedly beats the poo poo out of Punisher.
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Aug 3, 2015 02:28
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There was a funny article I read a long time ago, where somebody made the point that until Ennis, the problem with the Punisher was that he was the perfect guest star but a lousy protagonist. If he were to show up in another book, the sales bump from the guest appearance would often push that book's sales up above the Punisher's own book.
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Wanderer posted:There was a funny article I read a long time ago, where somebody made the point that until Ennis, the problem with the Punisher was that he was the perfect guest star but a lousy protagonist. If he were to show up in another book, the sales bump from the guest appearance would often push that book's sales up above the Punisher's own book. His presence always invites the "should superheroes kill" discussion and people still can't get enough of it.
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Lurdiak posted:I can't wait until we get to the story where Batroc repeatedly beats the poo poo out of Punisher. Well, he should, though. There was a one-shot after the Death of Cap story where Batroc's fighting Bucky and he says to some scrub mercs that despite all the jokes about him losing to Captain America, he can at least put up a good fight, which is more than 99.9% of soldiers could do. He only sucks compared to the literal best soldiers alive who have been enhanced with super-drugs or bionics. Against regular dudes like Frank Castle, he should wipe the floor.
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Lurdiak posted:I can't wait until we get to the story where Batroc repeatedly beats the poo poo out of Punisher. Or where he runs Wolverine over with a steam roller.
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Gaz-L posted:Well, he should, though. There was a one-shot after the Death of Cap story where Batroc's fighting Bucky and he says to some scrub mercs that despite all the jokes about him losing to Captain America, he can at least put up a good fight, which is more than 99.9% of soldiers could do. He only sucks compared to the literal best soldiers alive who have been enhanced with super-drugs or bionics. Against regular dudes like Frank Castle, he should wipe the floor. Yup. But it's still really funny to see Mr. Badass lose to a bounding frenchman in purple. notthegoatseguy posted:Or where he runs Wolverine over with a steam roller. Nah, that was lame.
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notthegoatseguy posted:Or where he runs Wolverine over with a steam roller. That was the most realistic portrayal of Wolverine and is now canon.
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Lurdiak posted:Nah, that was lame. No, the lame thing was when the writer of Wolverine went out of his way to "get back" at that comic by having Frank show up and Wolverine totally clown him and also imply he was super gay by having his ammo bag be full of gay porn.
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TheJoker138 posted:No, the lame thing was when the writer of Wolverine went out of his way to "get back" at that comic by having Frank show up and Wolverine totally clown him and also imply he was super gay by having his ammo bag be full of gay porn. Man, no argument here.
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Lurdiak posted:Yup. But it's still really funny to see Mr. Badass lose to a bounding frenchman in purple. Well, even Ennis' Mr. Badass version of Frank lost to "The Mongolian" at first in Mother Russia.
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Ennis's version gets the poo poo beat out of him whenever he's up against somebody who's even close to his level. That's probably a more important detail than people realize.
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