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JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



I mean, let's not poo poo on him for wanting to practice.

Go check out some solo drills stuff on Youtube and do that.

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Pocket Billiards
Aug 29, 2007
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You've been training like 5 weeks? Cancel your vacation maybe.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...


I honestly don't know why you'd even bother going back to class after taking a whole week off.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Pocket Billiards posted:

You've been training like 5 weeks? Cancel your vacation maybe.

Priorities, right?!

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



Newbie enthusiasm us cool. I suggest yoga and also consider supplementing your training once or twice a week with it when not vacationing. Helps with injury prevention and strengthens you in subtle ways.

I.N.R.I
May 26, 2011


vaginal facsimile posted:

I'm going on vacation for a week. Are there any suggestions to keep from falling off too hard? Plan now is to keep up cardio, maybe do some yoga.

thats really all id do myself. do more cardio than usual if you have energy to spare. rent a bike in that case cos you can get injuries from suddenly running more than youre used to

Neon Belly
Feb 12, 2008

I need something stronger.


JaySB posted:

I mean, let's not poo poo on him for wanting to practice.

Go check out some solo drills stuff on Youtube and do that.

Didn't mean to come off that way. Watching some vids is always good.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

I don't promote fights, I pick fights. I'm better than Jon Jones. I'm better than Sean Combs. I am even better than John Holmes.



Fun Shoe

Good to see this thread pop back up -

Who did cool things in the past few months? Do we have any new blues, purples, brown, or black belts? Anyone crush a tourney?

I can't even mountain bike until March. I need some happy or funny training stories as sustanence while I attempt loving yoga.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014



Captain Log posted:

Good to see this thread pop back up -

Who did cool things in the past few months? Do we have any new blues, purples, brown, or black belts? Anyone crush a tourney?

I can't even mountain bike until March. I need some happy or funny training stories as sustanence while I attempt loving yoga.

A whole ton of promotions including a guy who popped up in the martial arts thread to show his pictures of getting a black belt from jjm

Digital Jedi
May 28, 2007

Wow....that feels good



Fallen Rib

Captain Log posted:

Good to see this thread pop back up -

Who did cool things in the past few months? Do we have any new blues, purples, brown, or black belts? Anyone crush a tourney?

I just went back to class last week for the first time in month and 1/2. Party due to shoulder injury I got during a competition In June and part being lazy.

Good to be back!

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...


I'm rounding in on 10 years of grappling and I'm still a white belt and my knee hurts

omg chael crash
Jul 8, 2012



Captain Log posted:

Good to see this thread pop back up -

Who did cool things in the past few months? Do we have any new blues, purples, brown, or black belts? Anyone crush a tourney?

I can't even mountain bike until March. I need some happy or funny training stories as sustanence while I attempt loving yoga.

yoga is good, my dude

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

I don't promote fights, I pick fights. I'm better than Jon Jones. I'm better than Sean Combs. I am even better than John Holmes.



Fun Shoe

CommonShore posted:

A whole ton of promotions including a guy who popped up in the martial arts thread to show his pictures of getting a black belt from jjm

Who is the new black belt? I thought we only had two. Three would be awesome.

omg chael crash posted:

yoga is good, my dude

I've been an athlete since I was thirteen and struggle to touch my toes. It will sure as hell be helpful but I dread it more than sparring a guy with fifty pounds on me.

It's my lower back. It isn't messed up at all (I can switch kick at head level) but it's always extremely tight.


Mechafunkzilla posted:

I'm rounding in on 10 years of grappling and I'm still a white belt and my knee hurts

My brother.

Drewjitsu
Sep 2, 2007

Muay Thai is great but Buttscoot-Shin-to-Balls Style is undeniably better.


Mechafunkzilla posted:

I'm rounding in on 10 years of grappling and I'm still a white belt and my knee hurts

Same, but blue belt.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014



Captain Log posted:

Who is the new black belt? I thought we only had two. Three would be awesome.


I've been an athlete since I was thirteen and struggle to touch my toes. It will sure as hell be helpful but I dread it more than sparring a guy with fifty pounds on me.

It's my lower back. It isn't messed up at all (I can switch kick at head level) but it's always extremely tight.


My brother.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...0#post474872545

Wangsbig
May 27, 2007



Captain Log posted:

Good to see this thread pop back up -

Who did cool things in the past few months? Do we have any new blues, purples, brown, or black belts? Anyone crush a tourney?

I can't even mountain bike until March. I need some happy or funny training stories as sustanence while I attempt loving yoga.

i went to very cool event in Austin this past weekend that involved two of my fav things, drinks & grapples. it was held at the back of a brewery, $20 got you two pints and 3 hours on the mat. very talented fightmen and dece booze. they might make it a regular thing and heck, ill try to be there.

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



Wangsbig posted:

i went to very cool event in Austin this past weekend that involved two of my fav things, drinks & grapples. it was held at the back of a brewery, $20 got you two pints and 3 hours on the mat. very talented fightmen and dece booze. they might make it a regular thing and heck, ill try to be there.



that's cool

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

I don't promote fights, I pick fights. I'm better than Jon Jones. I'm better than Sean Combs. I am even better than John Holmes.



Fun Shoe

I'm four years booze sober but I KNOW slightly buzzed me could wreck poo poo. For about thirty seconds until the gas runs out.

Don't spar hammered, friends.

(I'd so go to that event. I'm west coast now so I literally might start with Team Quest if my body heals correctly. They are pretty drat friendly.)

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014



Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

I don't promote fights, I pick fights. I'm better than Jon Jones. I'm better than Sean Combs. I am even better than John Holmes.



Fun Shoe


: saves picture in folder marked "Future Avs for Horrible Website" :

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

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Captain Log posted:

Don't spar hammered, friends.
We have a very well known "no drunk jiu-jitsu" rule at my gym. Sometimes we even follow it.

Today was a weird day. It just felt like I was trying to teach a mindset to a group of people that were there to learn techniques. I think I'm going to need to chat with some folks and see how today's lesson went down.

Seltzer
Oct 11, 2012


Crumps Brother posted:

Today was a weird day. It just felt like I was trying to teach a mindset to a group of people that were there to learn techniques. I think I'm going to need to chat with some folks and see how today's lesson went down.

Are you a new instructor?

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



abstract concepts are much harder to convey to a large group of people than techniques. if you don't have a real gift for explanation, being able to verbalise the concept of 'mindset' so that a class of >3 will understand it might be tough.

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

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Seltzer posted:

Are you a new instructor?
Nah, been teaching for many years now. Long enough to know I wasn't capturing their attention like I would have preferred. My main goal now is to roll with everyone that was in class today as soon as possible so they can get a feel for what I was talking about before it's completely off their radar.

Basically, I was trying to stress to them that "position before submission" is more than a cliche they hear at seminars. I then told them all the ways they're pissing away good positions because they're chasing subs. Then followed that with the non-sexy non-submission moves they're better off doing instead. We're in the middle of a series right now where a bunch of different upper belts are teaching all sorts of cool tips and tricks and I don't think people were ready for the abrupt change of pace for my turn in the spotlight.

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



Crumps Brother posted:

Nah, been teaching for many years now. Long enough to know I wasn't capturing their attention like I would have preferred. My main goal now is to roll with everyone that was in class today as soon as possible so they can get a feel for what I was talking about before it's completely off their radar.

Basically, I was trying to stress to them that "position before submission" is more than a cliche they hear at seminars. I then told them all the ways they're pissing away good positions because they're chasing subs. Then followed that with the non-sexy non-submission moves they're better off doing instead. We're in the middle of a series right now where a bunch of different upper belts are teaching all sorts of cool tips and tricks and I don't think people were ready for the abrupt change of pace for my turn in the spotlight.

i've posted this in the ufc thread recently, but chris weidman truly acknowledging the 'position before submission' concept led directly to subbing kelvin and making it look loving easy. here's the breakdown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JbVYedTgnA

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

I don't promote fights, I pick fights. I'm better than Jon Jones. I'm better than Sean Combs. I am even better than John Holmes.



Fun Shoe

I've thought this since I started with MMA stuff in 2008 but there really needs to be wrestling schools or some sort of intermediate step.

The body economy requires to do a Jiu Jitsu well can realistically take years to master.

If I heal up decently, I'm literally going to look for some wrestling exclusive instruction. The only gym I ever went to that focused on wrestling was waaaaay too chute box in their approach to things to start a career there.

Do any sports outside of football and judo transfer to BJJ decently?

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



Captain Log posted:

Do any sports outside of football and judo transfer to BJJ decently?

anything where you wrestle a dude in some form or another seems to give you a leg up.

from there i see not much difference between soccer players or karate dudes to normal people except for being naturally fitter and more athletic / aware of their bodies.

Seltzer
Oct 11, 2012


Crumps Brother posted:

Nah, been teaching for many years now. Long enough to know I wasn't capturing their attention like I would have preferred. My main goal now is to roll with everyone that was in class today as soon as possible so they can get a feel for what I was talking about before it's completely off their radar.

Basically, I was trying to stress to them that "position before submission" is more than a cliche they hear at seminars. I then told them all the ways they're pissing away good positions because they're chasing subs. Then followed that with the non-sexy non-submission moves they're better off doing instead. We're in the middle of a series right now where a bunch of different upper belts are teaching all sorts of cool tips and tricks and I don't think people were ready for the abrupt change of pace for my turn in the spotlight.

I didn't mean to sound rude I was just curious. My instructors occasionally talk about mindset which I enjoy, they'll use a concept as a framework and then use moves and reactions as the examples of the concept. I thought maybe you were getting at that. For instance we might do a whole thing with offbalancing as a concept or deception/feinting as a concept and drill around that. It usually goes down well, I don't think position before submission is that advanced of a concept?

Seltzer fucked around with this message at Aug 22, 2017 around 04:15

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

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Seltzer posted:

I didn't mean to sound rude I was just curious. My instructors occasionally talk about mindset which I enjoy, they'll use a concept as a framework and then use moves and reactions as the examples of the concept. I thought maybe you were getting at that. For instance we might do a whole thing with offbalancing as a concept or deception/feinting as a concept and drill around that. It usually goes down well, I don't think position before submission is that advanced of a concept?
It's all good. I didn't think you were being rude. I know I don't really post in this thread much (just counted! gonna be 5 posts after this one) so it's not like I have a rapport with you guys. It certainly isn't an advanced concept or anything like that. I've been chatting with some of my guys tonight and I'm kinda settled on the idea that if we were in the middle of a "cool tricks" series then everything would have felt better. My entire game is basically trickless so it was going to be different even if I had the extra day of prep.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

I don't promote fights, I pick fights. I'm better than Jon Jones. I'm better than Sean Combs. I am even better than John Holmes.



Fun Shoe

Crumps Brother posted:

It's all good. I didn't think you were being rude. I know I don't really post in this thread much (just counted! gonna be 5 posts after this one) so it's not like I have a rapport with you guys. It certainly isn't an advanced concept or anything like that. I've been chatting with some of my guys tonight and I'm kinda settled on the idea that if we were in the middle of a "cool tricks" series then everything would have felt better. My entire game is basically trickless so it was going to be different even if I had the extra day of prep.

Keep posting! I love hearing the coaching side of things. I've taught women's self defense but only legit coached fencing. I like to absorb things from a coach standpoint because my BJJ is just a stalling game.

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



Crumps Brother posted:

It's all good. I didn't think you were being rude. I know I don't really post in this thread much (just counted! gonna be 5 posts after this one) so it's not like I have a rapport with you guys. It certainly isn't an advanced concept or anything like that. I've been chatting with some of my guys tonight and I'm kinda settled on the idea that if we were in the middle of a "cool tricks" series then everything would have felt better. My entire game is basically trickless so it was going to be different even if I had the extra day of prep.

as mentioned above, position over submission is a basic concept but black belt world champion chris weidman went on a three fight losing streak partly because he wasn't adhering to this 'basic' premise. what are your thoughts on position > submission? what did you want to get across to your class?

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



I like forcing scrambles or movement to catch guys in transition just about as much as I do securing a position and grinding away to a sub.

Here's a cool d'arce variation/detail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUNVvR6xy-U

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

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A couple examples from yesterday. First being back mount. Watching and rolling with my students leaves me with the impression they think they need to hit that choke right now before their opponent escapes. But they totally ignore how much control they have back there if only they were to slow down a bit and solidify that position before rushing off for a sub. If a person is able to get on their hands and knees then you should be working to flatten them back out using hip pressure and concentrate on not falling too far up their body instead of giving up on the position and trying to grab an armbar as you fall over their head. I talked about seatbelt and how to properly rest your choking arm so you can maintain the back mount longer without blowing up your grips.

I had a student ask me about a particular choke. Hell if I know a name for it, but from side mount when you slide your own lapel cross body, grab it with your top hand that's under their head, then post at their inside hip and pivot your body so you can lower your head to their side while applying pressure with that arm that's holding the lapel. Anyways, that choke is pretty easy to stop if you know it's coming and just get an arm up inside their lapel. So anyways, the student wants to know what to do if the person gets their arm in there. I tell him to just go back to side mount.
"But what can I do to finish the choke?" (still chasing subs on a hope and a prayer)
"You lost the choke. Now you're two feet away from your opponent and at best you *might* be grabbing their pants at the hip, but probably not. Go back and make sure you still have your side mount."

It seems like a lot of them are totally ok with having every failed submission attempt end in a scramble and just assuming it will work out. I'm certainly not against a good scramble, but if you originally had control and now you don't it means you screwed up somewhere.

Odddzy
Oct 10, 2007
Once shot a man in Reno.

Great discussion going on here. I was at a grappling seminar a few months back and I was definitely in the "gotta catch subs" mindsets and see the attractiveness of the bag of tricks way of grappling. The instructor of the camp made the "old school" or unflashy grappling style kinda cool to me by saying that basically, his plan, when grappling now, is to basically manhandle guys and crush them. He was a submission guy in the early part of his career and can still catch a bunch of flying whatever's but comes at grappling with a mindset of "I'm going to make you feel like i'm huge and you're small". The way he explained that vision of grappling made it very alluring and has helped in making me focus more on getting on top and flattening guys out as you (Crumps Brother) explained.

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Neon Belly
Feb 12, 2008

I need something stronger.


On the flip side, my instructor very rarely teaches subs. I don't hit subs very often, and when I do, it's from a YouTube video.

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