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spb
Nov 11, 2013


Mel Mudkiper posted:

Did anyone else ever have a period as a white belt where they felt like learning more made them worse? I feel literally like I am doing worse than I was 2 months ago and I feel like its because I now know what I should be doing and I am trying to do it and failing instead of just flailing about and hoping for the best

Only judge yourself against yourself. You are improving but everyone else in your class is improving too so it can be hard to see. Just ask yourself if you could win against your year ago self and that is good enough.

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02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004



Do you guys ever have weeks or months when you just feel great about your grappling? I feel so great lately. Everybody is scared of my favourite submissions, and my coach seems to be showing me off and using me as an example a lot. It seems like everything we do in class lately is applicable to my A-game. Every week it gets a little bit stronger. I seem to be learning at a greater rate than I have been for many years. Feelin goooooood.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012



I do. Those usually last a week max then I encounter something that throws me back into a confused state.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013



How long does it take to get a blue belt?

Back when I started training, the gyms I was at all took their time: 2-3 years was pretty normal, but more wouldn't be unusual. Sometimes it went faster, but that was if say a guy had extensive judo experience.

I ask because back then I'd read online about people fretting over the dilution of belts. That ~back in the day~ it used to take real work, but nowadays (5+ years ago now) gyms were becoming more mcdojo-ized, belts were being handed out like candy, making the belts worth less than they were in the past.

Now that I'm back at training, I'm wondering if this has been borne out. At the gym I train at, it seems like it hasn't. The blues have all been training for years. Whites with several stripes are 2-3 years in. I'm a blue myself, and so far all the blues I've faced have, well, felt like blue belts. Purple belts are consistently better; sometimes a great deal better.

What do you guys think?

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"


Ramrod XTreme

There comes a time as a white belt where you start to think about what you should do in certain situations instead of just spazzing around and that causes hesitation because you don't actually know much. I'm just a blue belt, but I know it happened to me and I see it all the time with new white belts. Everyone starts out just pushing really hard, but when they realise they should think about what they're doing a bit more they ease way back to think about things.

It's a good sign, just keep rolling and things will start to come together.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"


Ramrod XTreme

Count Roland posted:

How long does it take to get a blue belt?

Back when I started training, the gyms I was at all took their time: 2-3 years was pretty normal, but more wouldn't be unusual. Sometimes it went faster, but that was if say a guy had extensive judo experience.

I ask because back then I'd read online about people fretting over the dilution of belts. That ~back in the day~ it used to take real work, but nowadays (5+ years ago now) gyms were becoming more mcdojo-ized, belts were being handed out like candy, making the belts worth less than they were in the past.

Now that I'm back at training, I'm wondering if this has been borne out. At the gym I train at, it seems like it hasn't. The blues have all been training for years. Whites with several stripes are 2-3 years in. I'm a blue myself, and so far all the blues I've faced have, well, felt like blue belts. Purple belts are consistently better; sometimes a great deal better.

What do you guys think?

Obviously it depends how much time you spent on the mat, but it took me 11 months (after getting back into bjj after a 10+ year break) and I don't feel like it was too fast. Firas Zihabi says he feels like someone is ready for their blue belt when they can roll with someone new to grappling who is bigger than them and still take charge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXRstwdZ4Fo

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008

duckin 4 cover lol. u don't get to see the good fight b*tch



Count Roland posted:

How long does it take to get a blue belt?

Back when I started training, the gyms I was at all took their time: 2-3 years was pretty normal, but more wouldn't be unusual. Sometimes it went faster, but that was if say a guy had extensive judo experience.

I ask because back then I'd read online about people fretting over the dilution of belts. That ~back in the day~ it used to take real work, but nowadays (5+ years ago now) gyms were becoming more mcdojo-ized, belts were being handed out like candy, making the belts worth less than they were in the past.

Now that I'm back at training, I'm wondering if this has been borne out. At the gym I train at, it seems like it hasn't. The blues have all been training for years. Whites with several stripes are 2-3 years in. I'm a blue myself, and so far all the blues I've faced have, well, felt like blue belts. Purple belts are consistently better; sometimes a great deal better.

What do you guys think?

i think the internet is skewing things. enthusiastic people can have unlimited seminars on youtube whenever they're not actively at class and so i'd be stunned if a 1 year fresh blue belt nowadays wasn't at least as talented as a 3 year fresh blue belt from back in the day

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006





It took me 3 months to get my blue belt so I'm not really an accurate gauge on the subject.

Digital Jedi
May 28, 2007

Wow....that feels good





Fallen Rib

Took me 2 1/2 years since the day I started. With all the time off I had to take for various reason I probably only trained 1 3/4 of that whole time.

spb
Nov 11, 2013


Most people get it in 3 years at my gym. I agree with Firas's take on things and think that training so much for blue is unnecessary

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014




It took me 2.5 with solid judo experience to get my blue, but my club is really lazy and there was a two-year period where literally nobody at my club got any belts, and then 12 blue belts went out at once.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

This is cyber bulling and I will not stand for it.


I mean ultimately I dont think it really matters that much. If you get your blue belt from a mcdojo then you will still get choked out by a white belt at a better program. The belt is the signifier, not the sign.

Then again, my school does an unofficial green belt just so white belts dont get frustrated for those first 2-3 years

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013



JaySB posted:

It took me 3 months to get my blue belt so I'm not really an accurate gauge on the subject.

What were the circumstances behind this?

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"


Ramrod XTreme

Count Roland posted:

What were the circumstances behind this?

someone who has done wrestling before starting bjj?

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003


Drewjitsu posted:

You're doing better all the time. Trust me.

Ok I have a question about this: Do you get better from a series of classes like going consistently for a few months or can you get better from a single class?

I want to think that you can get better from a single class like if you are drilling something you like over and over (like I did with triangles today). But not if you go to a class where you learn something that you will never add to your game.

Thoughts??

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

This is cyber bulling and I will not stand for it.


I mean there are miles of difference between drills and rolling for me. I could drill moves for months but until I get a feel for using them in an actual situation its not really helpful for me

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013



Tacos Al Pastor posted:

Ok I have a question about this: Do you get better from a series of classes like going consistently for a few months or can you get better from a single class?

I want to think that you can get better from a single class like if you are drilling something you like over and over (like I did with triangles today). But not if you go to a class where you learn something that you will never add to your game.

Thoughts??

Its all about consistency.

I've had classes where a technique finally clicked with me. But it wasn't that one class that was special, it was all those other times I'd practiced the move, and this was the day it came together on the mat.

If you often are in individual classes that work for you, then you'll probably progress more quickly. And one-offs like seminars, or private lessons can be very beneficial. But if you're not training regularly it isn't going to matter too much.

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003


Count Roland posted:

Its all about consistency.

I've had classes where a technique finally clicked with me. But it wasn't that one class that was special, it was all those other times I'd practiced the move, and this was the day it came together on the mat.

If you often are in individual classes that work for you, then you'll probably progress more quickly. And one-offs like seminars, or private lessons can be very beneficial. But if you're not training regularly it isn't going to matter too much.

Yeah I think im figuring that out too. A friend and training partner and I have been consistently drilling triangles and then live sparring attempts to catch it. I feel like all those classes where I (and he) didnt feel like I was getting it or it wasnt "my move" kind of led to a moment where both of us decided that after class we are going to spend another 15 minutes until we both finally feel like we got it down. Its been about a week but consistently drilling it has gotten both to a point where we are pretty comfortable with setting it up and finishing it.

Tacos Al Pastor fucked around with this message at Sep 21, 2018 around 17:43

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006





Count Roland posted:

What were the circumstances behind this?

I was training twice a day 5 to 6 times a week when I first started.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

This is cyber bulling and I will not stand for it.


How do you guys use DVDs and videos to develop? I feel like seeing it doesn't really help me learn a move. I always tell my partner when we practice that I want to feel the move first. Having someone hit me with it does way more for me than seeing it

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003


Mel Mudkiper posted:

How do you guys use DVDs and videos to develop? I feel like seeing it doesn't really help me learn a move. I always tell my partner when we practice that I want to feel the move first. Having someone hit me with it does way more for me than seeing it

Break the move down to individual components. At least thats what helps me. I was just watching one on the Ghost escape and fortunately we went over it in class, but watching the video and breaking down where this arm goes, and where this leg is positioned and understanding the mechanics is necessary because those little details go a long way.

Just an opinion.


JaySB posted:

I was training twice a day 5 to 6 times a week when I first started.


Ok another question: Are you promoted faster based on how much you are coming in and how fast you are improving or are most instructors like: "Nope you havent been a white belt for a year yet (despite all that), Im not giving you your blue belt"??

Tacos Al Pastor fucked around with this message at Sep 21, 2018 around 18:53

butros
Aug 2, 2007

I believe the signs of the reptile master

Tacos Al Pastor posted:

Ok another question: Are you promoted faster based on how much you are coming in and how fast you are improving or are most instructors like: "Nope you havent been a white belt for a year yet (despite all that), Im not giving you your blue belt"??

It's going to depend on the instructor. My school doesn't formally test, you just one day get smacked with your new belt by our head instructor while you're rolling. He deliberately fucks with guys too - a close training partner of mine started at the same time as I did and is a much better grappler than I am, largely because he puts in twice as many mat hours as I do. Yet for some reason our instructor gave me my blue a month and a half before he gave my buddy his, and was pretty open about the fact that the only reason for the delay was because he was loving with my buddy. I like that approach because it emphasizes that it doesn't matter what color your belt is. Are you better at choking people than you were yesterday, and are you better at not getting choked than you were yesterday? If so, great, and who cares what color fabric you tie around your waist if you're even a big enough nerd to train in the gi in the first place.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006





Tacos Al Pastor posted:

Ok another question: Are you promoted faster based on how much you are coming in and how fast you are improving or are most instructors like: "Nope you havent been a white belt for a year yet (despite all that), Im not giving you your blue belt"??

The Gracie Humaita system does stripes and tracks hours. Each 25 classes you train as a white belt you get one stripe. After you get 4 stripes you're eligible to test for your blue belt., the blue best test is a demonstration of knowledge, for blue belt it's 2 sweeps, subs, and escapes from every position, 2 takedowns, and 5 self defense moves.

I'm missing my purple belt test because I'm in Europe right now

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Worst decision I ever made.


My coach kinda just gives you stripes/belts whenever in a sort of consistent manner, unless you're a competitor, then he tends to promote you quicker if it starts to look kinda like you're sand bagging your division or you medal at pans or something. You can, however; tell when you are gonna grab a belt promotion, because you'll end up rolling with him near the end of class and it'll feel like a century before times up.

omg chael crash
Jul 8, 2012




JaySB posted:

The Gracie Humaita system does stripes and tracks hours. Each 25 classes you train as a white belt you get one stripe. After you get 4 stripes you're eligible to test for your blue belt., the blue best test is a demonstration of knowledge, for blue belt it's 2 sweeps, subs, and escapes from every position, 2 takedowns, and 5 self defense moves.

I'm missing my purple belt test because I'm in Europe right now

Iím at a Humaita school now and we donít use that system. My coach just kind of promotes people whenever, I believe. Iím only allowed to wear blue and white gis, though, so I guess he didnít toss out everything

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013



Count Roland posted:

How long does it take to get a blue belt?

Back when I started training, the gyms I was at all took their time: 2-3 years was pretty normal, but more wouldn't be unusual. Sometimes it went faster, but that was if say a guy had extensive judo experience.

I ask because back then I'd read online about people fretting over the dilution of belts. That ~back in the day~ it used to take real work, but nowadays (5+ years ago now) gyms were becoming more mcdojo-ized, belts were being handed out like candy, making the belts worth less than they were in the past.

Now that I'm back at training, I'm wondering if this has been borne out. At the gym I train at, it seems like it hasn't. The blues have all been training for years. Whites with several stripes are 2-3 years in. I'm a blue myself, and so far all the blues I've faced have, well, felt like blue belts. Purple belts are consistently better; sometimes a great deal better.

What do you guys think?

Its a lot about mat time at my gym. We had a guy go from white to blue at our gym in 6 months from nothing, but he was training 5 days a week for two 2-hour sessions a day for 6 months, not to mention going to multiple other open mats nearby. I've been training maybe 5 hours a week on average for 11 months and have about a third the mat time he has gotten since he started and I'm not at all surprised he is better and also got promoted sooner. The average seems to be ~2.5 years to blue for most people at my gym who only train a couple days a week. We also dont do stripes at all, our instructor thinks theyre silly and we should just train for the sake of training.

On the bright side, I'm getting better too, and caught the newly promoted guy with 2 ezekiels in a single roll last week and I felt really good about myself after.

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000
Old Man of the Forums

I got my blue in exactly one year. I was training 5 to 6 times a week and even doing double classes some days. One year was definitely faster than average at that time.

butros
Aug 2, 2007

I believe the signs of the reptile master

Yuns posted:

I got my blue in exactly one year. I was training 5 to 6 times a week and even doing double classes some days. One year was definitely faster than average at that time.

Yuns I forget did you get your black from Renzo? Have you been at Renzo's the entire time you've trained?

Wangsbig
May 27, 2007



I got my blue in a year thru the time honored method of having done no-gi for some time before. I'm making up for it with purple by moving to new gyms very often

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000
Old Man of the Forums

butros posted:

Yuns I forget did you get your black from Renzo? Have you been at Renzo's the entire time you've trained?
Yes, I got my black belt directly from Renzo. I've been at Renzo's the entire time.

heeebrew
Sep 6, 2007

Weed smokin', joint tokin', fake Jew of the Weed thread


Any one actually have cervical disk replacement surgery or fusion and return to training? More neck pain than training lately...

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Yuns
Aug 19, 2000
Old Man of the Forums

heeebrew posted:

Any one actually have cervical disk replacement surgery or fusion and return to training? More neck pain than training lately...
Some of my teammates have.

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