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Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

CommonShore posted:

That's basically what happened every time I saw it recently - either the fighter on the bottom flowed through to a dogfight-ish single, or stood up.

Thinking about the position: It's almost like a judo throw really. You need the 3 elements together and have a coordinate a series of movements in one flowing attack. Versus the more isometric crawl and creep of many bjj positions.

(Not that judo has a monopoly on that but it's very codified/systematic.)

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Drewjitsu
Sep 2, 2007

Muay Thai is great but Buttscoot-Shin-to-Balls Style is undeniably better.



Quick hypothetical question for the thread:

I have signed up a member to Gym X (a million years ago, I'm old ). One of the nice things that they do, is that if you sign a contact (initially it was a year, but then after that it's just month to month, with a month notice to cancel the contract), you continue to pay the same rate for as long as you stay with the Gym X. I'm an OG so I pay 90 dollarydoos a month for this.

Furthermore, during the plague season, they sent out an email pleading all members to continue supporting the gym, and all members who do so will be given some freebies, t-shirt, seminar access in the future, and a SPECIAL RATE FREEZE for memberships (value TBA) when the gym reopens. They did the same thing that every other gym did by having zoom workouts and the like during the COVID closure, so it's not like they just straight up took people's money. But I digress.

Fast-foward to now, when the gym is opening on Monday, and now there's going to be a rate increase for all members to $160 dollarydoos.

Aside from the "gym owners can charge whatever they want, blah blah blah," what do you guys think? I'm basically out the door with this gym anyway, but it would be good to get other people's input on this business decision. My understanding is that this price is 30-40 dollars more than most gyms charge in town.

Are any of you seeing increased fees to offset the lowered numbers of members they can put into a single class?

Brut
Aug 21, 2007

Герой Советского Союза



Drewjitsu posted:

Fast-foward to now, when the gym is opening on Monday, and now there's going to be a rate increase for all members to $160 dollarydoos.

Including members such as yourself who were grandfathered in to the old rate, and including members who weren't locked in, but were specifically promised a rate freeze due to this? If so, that seems hosed and double hosed.

Wangsbig
May 27, 2007



if they treat you like a customer treat them like a business

butros
Aug 2, 2007

I believe the signs of the reptile master




My think is man I wish my gym was only $160/mo.

Also man I wish I was feasibly going to train this calendar year.

ihop
Jul 23, 2001
King of the Mexicans

Yep if I had other options I'd walk for sure. That's a pretty big gently caress you. lovely thing is he treated the business like family and supported them when they needed it.

ihop
Jul 23, 2001
King of the Mexicans

butros posted:

Also man I wish I was feasibly going to train this calendar year.

And this

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes


Drewjitsu posted:

Quick hypothetical question for the thread:

I have signed up a member to Gym X (a million years ago, I'm old ). One of the nice things that they do, is that if you sign a contact (initially it was a year, but then after that it's just month to month, with a month notice to cancel the contract), you continue to pay the same rate for as long as you stay with the Gym X. I'm an OG so I pay 90 dollarydoos a month for this.

Furthermore, during the plague season, they sent out an email pleading all members to continue supporting the gym, and all members who do so will be given some freebies, t-shirt, seminar access in the future, and a SPECIAL RATE FREEZE for memberships (value TBA) when the gym reopens. They did the same thing that every other gym did by having zoom workouts and the like during the COVID closure, so it's not like they just straight up took people's money. But I digress.

Fast-foward to now, when the gym is opening on Monday, and now there's going to be a rate increase for all members to $160 dollarydoos.

Aside from the "gym owners can charge whatever they want, blah blah blah," what do you guys think? I'm basically out the door with this gym anyway, but it would be good to get other people's input on this business decision. My understanding is that this price is 30-40 dollars more than most gyms charge in town.

Are any of you seeing increased fees to offset the lowered numbers of members they can put into a single class?

They might be doing it to survive or recoup personal savings they dumped to pay rent?

Wangsbig
May 27, 2007



Postess with the Mostest posted:

They might be doing it to survive or recoup personal savings they dumped to pay rent?

landlords should try this and call the apartment complex a family or community or whatever as pretext so we can speed up the mao zedonging

Wangsbig
May 27, 2007



instead I've seen unemployed two stripe white belts proudly paying their $230/mo for biweekly yoga classes on zoom so ~we have a home to come back to~

Wangsbig
May 27, 2007



oss

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Gurpgork?



Fun Shoe

$160 CAD (assuming it's cad) doesn't seem totally crazy depending on where in the country you are

quidditch it and quit it
Oct 11, 2012




Wangsbig posted:

instead I've seen unemployed two stripe white belts proudly paying their $230/mo for biweekly yoga classes on zoom so ~we have a home to come back to~

Finally making themselves useful

Drewjitsu
Sep 2, 2007

Muay Thai is great but Buttscoot-Shin-to-Balls Style is undeniably better.



Brut posted:

Including members such as yourself who were grandfathered in to the old rate, and including members who weren't locked in, but were specifically promised a rate freeze due to this? If so, that seems hosed and double hosed.

One of the members is even more OG than I and paying 70 a month. Can you imagine that your budget for BJJ, which has been stable for 10+ years doubles overnight?

Anyway, I'm glad to see that this is as big of a gently caress you that I thought it was, I'm glad I left (before this snafu even! I must be prescient). It's funny that everyone is coming out of the woodwork about why I left the gym, and everyone tends to agree with my assessment of the situation and the head coach.

Life is too short to train at a lovely club, even though it's cheap.

Wangsbig posted:

if they treat you like a customer treat them like a business

Yep, I wonder if the COVID situation put a real crimp on their earnings, and now they are way overextended. Their vacation property might have to go!

ihop posted:

Yep if I had other options I'd walk for sure. That's a pretty big gently caress you. lovely thing is he treated the business like family and supported them when they needed it.

The rate increase for long term students is really bad, but when you promise everyone to stick with you during the bad times, and then turn around and gently caress over the people that actually stuck with you during the bad times, that's a really bad look.

butros posted:

Also man I wish I was feasibly going to train this calendar year.

I think I'm going to start training in about a month - that gives everyone who plans to spit in each other's mouths 2 weeks to contract it/demonstrate a second wave/etc before I have to make a decision to go back (or have that decision made for me). If there's no second wave, then I think I'll be okay. I have O type blood, I'm basically immune from COVID, right?

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes


Wangsbig posted:

instead I've seen unemployed two stripe white belts proudly paying their $230/mo for biweekly yoga classes on zoom so ~we have a home to come back to~

I paid for the year in November fml. I do want them to be there when I get back, the location is really really convenient and I hate the second closest gym.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Pillbug

If it were a situation where the place needed money to restabilize after Covid, (and shark tanking the landlord is out of the question), I'd much rather see a drive for donations or selling Tshirts than a rate hike.

Like if my head instructor were to come up to my tomorrow and say "Commonshore, we're short on cash. Can you donate $100 to the club so we can keep the lights on?" I'd say yes.

(He'd probably actually do something like smoke some brisket and sell it to raise the funds)

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes


Wonder if insurance is getting jacked for clubs, seems like there'd be increased liability

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004



I think in no-gi and MMA, imagine deep half as an obscure move instead of a position, one that you would only use in particularly rare circumstances, and youd want to be out of it in two seconds. Youd practice it as part of your half guard just as an occasional troubleshooting tool when your half guard sweeps get shut down. And itd either turn into a single leg or youd do that move where you do a turkish getup underneath them and then shoulder throw them.

In gi you can take it more seriously as a position because it becomes dangerous when lapels are involved.

Hellblazer187 posted:

I don't want to google "communist superhero with huge dick" not sure what will come up.

coward

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012







From the TUF season where GSP was the coach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6uhuSimf-A

Drewjitsu posted:

Quick hypothetical question for the thread:

I have signed up a member to Gym X (a million years ago, I'm old ). One of the nice things that they do, is that if you sign a contact (initially it was a year, but then after that it's just month to month, with a month notice to cancel the contract), you continue to pay the same rate for as long as you stay with the Gym X. I'm an OG so I pay 90 dollarydoos a month for this.

Furthermore, during the plague season, they sent out an email pleading all members to continue supporting the gym, and all members who do so will be given some freebies, t-shirt, seminar access in the future, and a SPECIAL RATE FREEZE for memberships (value TBA) when the gym reopens. They did the same thing that every other gym did by having zoom workouts and the like during the COVID closure, so it's not like they just straight up took people's money. But I digress.

Fast-foward to now, when the gym is opening on Monday, and now there's going to be a rate increase for all members to $160 dollarydoos.

Aside from the "gym owners can charge whatever they want, blah blah blah," what do you guys think? I'm basically out the door with this gym anyway, but it would be good to get other people's input on this business decision. My understanding is that this price is 30-40 dollars more than most gyms charge in town.

Are any of you seeing increased fees to offset the lowered numbers of members they can put into a single class?

I'd just find another gym. That's nearly doubling your rate despite you being grandfathered in.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jun 13, 2020

HamsterPolice
Apr 17, 2016



$160 is about what I've paid for every gym I've been a member.

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

Ozzy and Zakk!



Cases spiking locally, looks like that August return I'd planned might be later than expected. Silver lining I guess is I have more time to work on my strength and conditioning and surprise dudes who remember me as the fat gringo.

"Hey, look at him, he's merely a chubby gringo now!"

Cyber Sandwich
Nov 16, 2011


Ryan Hall shows an overhead Shaolin Sweep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlu_sc2AzVg

Definitely unfamiliar territory for me but a good Idea. I don't really know what to do with knee shields besides scissor sweep and transition to triangle.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013



Pocket Billiards posted:

Might be able to find some wrestling instructions on the 'short' arm drag.

I forgot to say thanks to the people who responded. We drilled the short arm drag yesterday and it seems promising, though I have yet to try it in rolling.

Now for another question.

I've been getting good at tripod-sickle sweeps paired together. I basically just grab a foot then switch my feet and hips back and forth, spamming them both. I'll sometimes grab uke's other leg to switch the side of my attacks. Works pretty well.

I run into a couple problems though. They all come up when I put my foot on uke's hip. Obviously people don't like this and strip it away ASAP. I'll switch my hips and try again with my other foot. I do this quickly to maintain distance. I'm vulnerable to leg drags here: as I swing my other foot up to uke's hip, he'll just move his hips back and push the foot along, closing the distance after. One guy goes straight for a standing toe hold.

I suspect what I need to do is control one of Uke's arms, though this is easier said than done.

Looking for any tips on this position. Either ways to avoid these counters, re-counter, or to set up something else I can transition to.

ihop
Jul 23, 2001
King of the Mexicans

How's your SLX game?

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006





Count Roland posted:

Looking for any tips on this position. Either ways to avoid these counters, re-counter, or to set up something else I can transition to.

Single leg X, Reverse De La Riva, sit up guard. All decent transitions.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013



My single leg x game is poor, though I'm fairly fast at transitioning into it. If I can get the sweep I have a passable ankle lock from it.

RDLR seems like an odd suggestion. I was expecting people to say regular DLR instead. What makes you suggest RDLR?

My situp guard is also poor, but a couple of the higher belts use it on me constantly.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006





Count Roland posted:

RDLR seems like an odd suggestion. I was expecting people to say regular DLR instead. What makes you suggest RDLR?

You're already holding the ankle/leg with your feet on the hips or one foot on the hip and end up with another leg stuffed or dragged right? It's fairly easy to bring yourself in and under your partner from there.

ICHIBAHN
Feb 21, 2007


Seriously, when can we get back to grappling in the UK?

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004



Queensland is open to grappling again on July 10 if Im understanding correctly.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012





02-6611-0142-1 posted:

Queensland is open to grappling again on July 10 if I’m understanding correctly.

Hey silly problem I had with your site. I put in an order for a SAGK rashguard but havent received it yet. Must be the postal problems plaguing the world. ()

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"


Ramrod XTreme

02-6611-0142-1 posted:

Queensland is open to grappling again on July 10 if Im understanding correctly.

Jerome Louis
Nov 5, 2002
p

College Slice

Trained for the first time in 3 months. Rustier than I thought I would be, timing was off and although I was strong and game the first few rounds of rolling I totally gassed towards the end and was worthless.

Now with cases rising idk if poo poo is going to shut back down again. Felt good to roll tho. Nice to have gi burn all over my face again.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012





I keep finding myself in 50/50 guard and am really struggling to get out of it without giving up position

Drewjitsu
Sep 2, 2007

Muay Thai is great but Buttscoot-Shin-to-Balls Style is undeniably better.



Mekchu posted:

I keep finding myself in 50/50 guard and am really struggling to get out of it without giving up position

What do you keep getting caught in? Are you comfortable with 50/50 in principle? Are you fighting to get your knees to the mat to expose your opponents inside heel?

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

Ozzy and Zakk!



So, I can invert now, kinda. I can roll back and have my feet touch the ground behind me. I still am not rolling any time soon, and I don't know how to weaponize this position, but I can get there now, which is cool. I've been doing yoga during quarantine and I've lost a ton of weight so my belly isn't in the way as much anymore.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006





Apparently Ryan Hall has been putting out videos on Youtube. Why hasn't anyone told me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlu_sc2AzVg

Neon Belly
Feb 12, 2008

I need something stronger.


JaySB posted:

Apparently Ryan Hall has been putting out videos on Youtube. Why hasn't anyone told me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlu_sc2AzVg

We did - when this video was posted on this same page

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003


JaySB posted:

Apparently Ryan Hall has been putting out videos on Youtube. Why hasn't anyone told me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlu_sc2AzVg

I always saw these channels as a gateway to subscribing to their online course. Still good information though.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012





Drewjitsu posted:

What do you keep getting caught in? Are you comfortable with 50/50 in principle? Are you fighting to get your knees to the mat to expose your opponents inside heel?

Basically I wind up in it while working SLX or an Ankle lock and use it to trap their leg. I'm not very confident in saying I understand the core principle of it. I'm typically the guy on bottom to a standing opponent and get it that way, force them to their but/ground and thats where I get stuck.

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Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013



Tacos Al Pastor posted:

I always saw these channels as a gateway to subscribing to their online course. Still good information though.

They totally are. Though my triangles are good because of a section of Ryan Hall's triangle DVD I saw on youtube.

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