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henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Some day, when BJJ is as mainstream as other MAs, streetfights will start with all involved parties immediately falling down and buttscooting towards each other looking for a limb. Maybe you can be a trendsetter and do the same to your internet assailant.

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henkman
Oct 8, 2008

Angora posted:

I really wish my gym didn't have a Pandora station on Muse as the background music all the time :(

My gym doesn't use any music. Just the sound of men grunting and groaning while we practice shoulder pressure and knee on belly. Sometimes sounds like a rough gay porno from outside.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
What religion says you can't wrestle with girls? There are plenty that would have something to say about wrestling dudes.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

dokomoy posted:

a ref not seeing that a competitor was asleep

AKA my most recent match at a tournament.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Yeah I just use the 2 dollar mouth guard for BJJ and it works just fine.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
They have ball pits and bouncy castles at fitness expos? I've been going to lovely ones then, it's just been leathery old men and Kurt Angle.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
He's the Prodigy.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

J Wiggle posted:

Any tips on not getting triangled or armbarred when in a guy's guard? Anytime I try to grab him and push him down to start a guard pass I get my arm taken, I'm bigger and stronger than most of these guys so I can fight it a bit but eventually I get triangled or armbarred. I'm trying to posture up but my long arms are such an easy target.

There is no easy answer but in my school we have these positions when in someone's guard called Base 1 and Base 2. Base 1 in when you're sitting almost straight up and leaning just a little bit back. Don't spend a lot of time here because they could chest sweep you pretty easily, but you're too far back that they'd have to try and pull you back down to submit you (unless they're built like Stefan Struve). Use Base 1 to start passing guard.

Base 2 is when you're pressing into them. You're head is next to theirs, your shoulder is in their throat, you probably have underhooks, and you're on your feet to add more pressure. They can't submit you easily, and with all the pressure it's hard to sweep you. You go to this when they start to break you down from Base 1.

The area inbetween these 2 Bases is the DANGER ZONE, because they can easily triangle or armbar you there. Never be in the DANGER ZONE for more than like 1 second while moving between Base 1 and Base 2.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Don't try to mount, try to work from side control. I don't know why, but I find it easier to control the other guy and work for submissions from side control than mount.

Since you said you were doing drills and couldn't submit them, though, what about going from side control to knee on belly to mount?

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

dokomoy posted:

I don't love mount but this is pretty bad advice.

Yeah I'm not gonna try and pretend that I'm a grappling genius, just giving some advice on what works for me. I hate mount because if someone bucks you off you're almost always on the bottom. Side control might also be easier for me because I'm taller so I'm able to cover more area than other people I don't know maybe I'm just stupid and should try to work from mount more often who knows.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Oh and here's my younger brother wrecking poo poo at a submission only tournament :smug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epwJWfahEtc

And another kid from our school hitting a suplex at the same tournament

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC4e2AGSm7E

drat our kids are awesome as hell.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Yeah but it's useless for everything except doing gi.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
People don't walk around on the sidewalk wearing Gis, sorry. In Nogi and MMA you'll be used to having grips that aren't there.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

fatherdog posted:

Which is obviously untrue since the majority of people who are top sub guys in no-gi and mma spend most of their time training gi

Said guys probably do not train gi only, though. They also train nogi and mma because gi is useless except for gi, and

fatherdog posted:

You're not gonna be good in nogi or mma unless you do some training nogi and mma

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
I'd imagine he'd be beating guys left and right no matter what he trained.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
It's probably a bit of both (although I'd rather it'd be all A since that helps my case)

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Really because A seems pretty reasonable too. You don't think Marcelo is naturally gifted enough to beat people training 1 day a week in something useful?

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

Grab Your Foot! posted:

Consider this: John Fitch is a wrestly dude who mostly seems to rely on his wrestling to win fights; Chael Sonnen is a wrestly dude who mostly seems to rely on his wrestling to win fights. Fitch is basically impossible to submit, Sonnen is hilariously prone to being submitted. Fitch trains in the gi, Sonnen does not.

I don't think using the hardest to submit guy in MMA and the easiest to submit guy means anything. I think if Sonnen trained Gi he'd still be easy to submit because he's Stupid, not because Gi would patch up the wholes in his game.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

dokomoy posted:

Also Josh's coach is a BJJ blackbelt.

If we're talking about Paulson I've trained with him a couple times too and everytime it was Nogi.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

Kept waiting for you to hit your foot on the door frame.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

fawker posted:

Didn't Mir actually weight-train for like the first time in his life for that fight, bulking up to a little over 165? or was that for his fight with Carwin?

EDIT
fatfingers, of course I really meant 265

I think it was the Kongo fight where he seriously weight trained for it.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Warm up is drilling wrestling techniques. Doubles, singles, high crotch singles, knee picks, arm drags, snap downs, shoot doubles and singles to your knees (I suck at these). Then doubles, arm drags, and snap downs from sitting guard. Then triangles, arm bars, kimuras, chest sweeps, and elevator sweeps. I think I'm missing some things, but that's the warm up. Then we do things from different positions. One day we might do everything from side control (shoulder pressure, kimura/american lock/armbar/arm triangle), the next class we'll do stuff from guard or back control. After that we'll go live from guard or side control, then free rolling wherever. It's a 2 hour class so we can fit a bunch of things in.

e: the warmup is usually 30-45 minutes, so I'm definitely missing some things.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

Mardragon posted:

That's a pretty intense class, sounds awesome.

It actually is really awesome. The main instructor wrestled in High school (and I think worked out with the wrestling team in college) so there's a lot of emphasis on wrestling. Another guy who trains there did Judo for 10 years before BJJ, so he can show people awesome trips and throws. He's also 270 or so pounds so it sucks to have him throw you and land on top.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Yeah the whole not rolling as a beginner is kind of weird. You ask if they know how to tap out and know what a submission is. They usually do which is why they came anyway. Then an instructor watches and if they're in a jointlock they're not tapping to and it's on there pretty good they'll stop the match for them and tell them to go again. After a couple classes you can trust most new guys to know when they're in something enough to submit before something bad happens.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
I've been choked out a bunch of times and haven't noticed any problems yet.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
I don't seem to have any issues and I've been choked unconscious a couple of times.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

fawker posted:

Ive got all these scratches on my arms/neck from this guy

Sounds like an intense roll, it's understandable why your nads hurt.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

TwistedNails posted:

Bucket of rice works great also try a forearm exerciser, the wooden or steel rod with the rope in the middle that you roll up with a small plate on the bottom.

Note: if you've never done this before it will kill your forearms. It doesn't look hard, and it doesn't sound hard, but jesus christ.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
I was sick and hadn't been to BJJ class in a while so I didn't compete, but my younger brother competed in a NAGA competition in New Jersey this weekend. (NJ is a bad state, the people can't drive and you can't turn left anywhere wtf) He placed second in both his divisions, and it was a fairly big turn out. Watching all the kids walk around with swords they won was kind of stupid though (i'm jealous I would have loved a sword when I was 8)

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
He does have a point though. As someone who doesn't do Judo whenever people start using the Japanese terms for throws/moves I just scroll past because it's not going to make any sense. I don't remember if it was this thread or the MA one in A/T, but someone translated some of the terms which was nice. It might help if someone did a writeup on a lot of the moves used in Judo, what some of the other Japanese words mean, and the rules of Judo.

Unless someone already did this, in which case I would like a link.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

Thoguh posted:

Please explain "Passing the guard" to me without using any BJJ terminology.

A man has his legs between you and him to prevent you from having an advantageous position. You attempt to pass by his legs so he has no defense against you anymore and are successful. Congratulations you now understand "Passing the Guard".

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Move past them. Do you not understand English?

edit: what's Japanese for legs

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

Thoguh posted:

So I'm just going to walk past his legs? Why would I do that?

henkman posted:

A man has his legs between you and him to prevent you from having an advantageous position. You attempt to pass by his legs so he has no defense against you anymore and are successful. Congratulations you now understand "Passing the Guard".

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

Thoguh posted:

What is a "guard" and why do I want to "get past" it?

henkman posted:

A man has his legs between you and him to prevent you from having an advantageous position. You attempt to pass by his legs so he has no defense against you anymore and are successful. Congratulations you now understand "Passing the Guard".

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
And how often are those terms used in this thread?

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

niethan posted:

Seriously though is there a translation for "omoplate" or is it just a made up word?

Google tells me it's Portuguese for "Shoulder Blade"

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
I don't know man, the Whizzer is a powerful anti-wrestling tool. The last season of TUF showed that.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Because he's a cheater and likes to wreck people's legs for no reason.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
The second part of my post still applies.

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henkman
Oct 8, 2008
It's a Schultz Headlock.

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