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L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

At my first Brazilian jiu jitsu competition today! The ibjjf open in Houston. Only started 3 months ago, so we'll see how well my match goes in a little bit!

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L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Sadly I lost the first round. The guy had been training for around a year and ive been doing it for less than 3 months. Match was fun though, and it was way closer than it had any right to be given our skill disparity. On the bright side I stopped his first 7 or 8 takedown attempts!

However he managed to get out of my half guard after we were down and I was too focused on defending my neck and got americana'd as soon as he got to side control basically.

Edit: Not to mention the kid was easily 8 or 9 years younger than I am. He was still in college.

L0cke17 fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Feb 11, 2018

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Drewjitsu posted:

How tired were you the instant that you started grappling? Because now that you've done it (and lived, even), every tournament is going to get that much easier, and go that much better for you.

Dude, stopping a guy who went for 8 takedown attempts means that you did really, really well for your first time out. Excellent work!

I honestly felt fine until about 5 minutes after, at which point all my muscles seemed to be a quivering mass of jelly. Also it helps that at my gym we have a guy who did 5 years of division 1 wrestling who is very very good at takedowns who I have learned a lot about not getting taken down from. Not to mention he's raised the quality of non-judo takedowns significantly in everyone at the gym according to people who've been there longer.

I'm definitely gonna go to the next one I can. Theres another IBJJF one in Austin in July supposedly, and a few smaller ones in between too I can hopefully go to budget permitting.

My biggest things to work on before next time is to work on more techniques from half-guard because I end up there a lot when I dont intend to be and only knowing 1 sweep from there thats easily defended against clearly isnt enough. And I need to work on getting out of side control more consistently.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

What's the best way to watch this?

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Is there any sort of exercise or something I can do to keep from getting rib injuries? I have at least a bruised rib, possibly broken. Second one in 6 months. Getting really frustrating.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

butros posted:

I tend to feel the most soreness creeping in when I'm spending time in bottom side (which is most of the time if we're being honest). What's really helped me reduce rib soreness is is getting serious about my framing game.


spacetoaster posted:

I was really suffering my first couple of months but then I started exhaling (like when you're doing a heavy lift in the gym) and it buys me some time to get out of whatever they're doing to me.

Hope it's not broke.

This time it was from one of the black belts sweeping me straight to knee on ribcage. Thankfully they were only ~140lbs so it could have been a lot worse.

I definitely need to work on my framing though, but in this particular instance it probably wouldn't have helped too much.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Last night some new lovely white belt (as opposed to me, a slightly less new but still lovely white belt) tried to ezekiel me. He had no leverage at all, wasn't putting any pressure on. Then all of a sudden leaned forward and jammed their whole body weight almost on to my adams apple with their fist and it hurts like a bitch now.

Almost felt like something cracked when it happened, but I'm really hoping it's fine and just bruised or something.

I had a polite chat with them between fits of coughing about slowly adding more force to submission attempts rather than just throwing 100% at it from nothing to give people a chance to tap before hurting them, especially when you don't know the technique very well.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Nestharken posted:

The receiving end of an Ezekiel choke from the top is no place to chill out and relax. If they've already grabbed their sleeve and gotten their fist to your trachea, you're in a *lot* of trouble.

Well he didn't know how to do it, didn't even have his own sleeve gripped but was just trying to force his hand under the head on one side and push with the other straight down. And that wasn't doing any choking at all, hence why I wasn't worried. Then he grabbed his wrist through awkwardly and punched down essentially.

It had literally just gotten him with one and I think he tried to imitate without understanding what I did.

CommonShore posted:

That's how I use it. When people are flattening me out and crushing me in half guard, I'll lock one up to make them move a bit and I'll start shrimping. I can't remember the last time I made someone actually tap to one, but that's not the goal. The problem I've seen is that some people learn about them and just hang onto them through thick and thin as they lose position.

90% of the time I only ezekiel someone just to distract them while I get out of their half guard or reposition myself.

Also one time me and a blue belt who refused to tap both locked up simultaneous ezekiels on each other and then we fell over and just held on for dear life. Sadly my blood failed me first. That was the first time I've ever gone out on the mats. He said after that he was maybe a couple seconds from going out too.

L0cke17 fucked around with this message at 23:44 on May 23, 2018

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Defenestrategy posted:

A lot of the simple moves, Kimuras, Armbars, Etc have a wave of effectiveness. You learn it, doesn't really work because literally everyone in your gym knows what it is and how to deal, you get a bit better with it and start catching opponents with it, they get a bit wise, it starts to suck again, you adjust it and it gets better and starts working again. Ad-Nauseum.


This is something I've noticed but never been able to put words to. Just this past week I've managed to armbar more people than I did in the previous 6 months combined. But now everyone knows that ezekiels exist and I haven't hit one in over 2 weeks when it used to be the thing that worked every day.

Of course there was also the one weird week where I caught like 5 omoplatas and have never before or since been able to do one successfully.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Tacos Al Pastor posted:

I have've met a brown or a black belt yet that hasnt popped their intercostal cartilage on their rib (which hurts way more than just bruising it).

Its like some sort of rite of passage for it to happen at some point in your jiu jitsu journey.

I had that happen just a couple months ago! It's really not pleasant. It hurt way worse than actually just breaking a rib without injuring the cartilege around it as much.

I also finally saw a specialist about my neck injury. Turns out it really was fractured cartilege on my throat. Recovery time 6-10 weeks before it's healed (so only another 1-5 weeks :barf:). Up to 6 months until the discomfort goes away. But they did say I could get choked again in a couple weeks without risking it getting more damaged.

Also yesterday I almost tapped my first purple belt. It was the very end of the roll after he had already tapped me like 6 times. He tried to do the move from the class (a sweep from open guard) but was sitting too upright and I locked in a really tight guillotine and rolled with him and ended up with him on top but the choke still locked in. Then the round timer went off a few seconds later. He said it was probably going to get him if the bell hadn't sounded. Not sure if he was being nice or if I actually had him there but I'd like to think I was doing something right.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Ive only gotten ezekiels and guillotines for good bit now it feels like. I keep trying to do other things but end up just going for the ezekiel because it's easy and right there so often. I've even gotten 2 from bottom half in the last week which is just the most awkward thing ever.

I keep trying to go for a sweep from from bottom half and losing the underhook so I just try for an ezekiel or darce and sometimes it just all works out.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

I got destroyed by a 5 foot tall female blue belt who weighs maybe 90 pounds at best last week. I'm a guy, 6 feet tall, 175lbs. I got arm-barred like 9 times in 8 minutes and felt completely helpless the whole time.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Several of my coworkers have expressed interest in jiu jitsu, but they are all scared of getting hurt. Doesn't help that I've had bad luck with broken ribs and more recently broken throat so it looks like you get a crippling injury every other month to them.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

I got my first submission with just my legs last night! I caught a triangle from top position in north-south. He reached an arm under one of my legs to try and grab my belt I think and somehow managed to close it on the guy without having to use my arms. Then I just held his hips down so he couldn't get any leverage and tightened the triangle until he tapped. He said it was actually choking him not just pressure.

I have no idea how I actually got my legs into the right place, but it worked so hopefully I can figure out how to do it again.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

butros posted:

I don't have Flo but I think Fightpass is a pretty good deal - it's cheaper per month and you get all of EBI, Quinet, a bunch of Polaris, some ADCC etc. If you like MMA then obviously it's a black hole of old fights which increases the value proposition. I haven't tried to cancel because I keep finding stuff I want to watch but it's like $11/mo which is doable for me.

Can you watch both quintets on it now that they're over? It would totally be worth $11 to watch those.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Count Roland posted:

I don't think competition scoring has changed in a long time though?

Closed guard is basically a static, defensive position. You learn it when you're new because its easy to do and you're constantly on the defensive. Its frowned upon because it doesn't actually do anything but stave off defeat for a bit, but this is the bread and butter of a white belt.

My coach says if we're spending more than 10-15 seconds in closed guard before opening it to make an attack we've probably already lost. The only reason he says to stay longer is if they seem to be putting out a lot of energy you hold to tire them out but as soon as they stop moving you need to be on the attack.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

spb posted:

Invest in a foam roller or find a good masseuse

I didn't know about foam rollers until last week when my running buddy showed them to me. I don't know how I survived without, they're amazing.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Ugh, I got a cold from rolling on Saturday.

What's the common etiquette for how long to quarantine yourself after you get sick? I want to roll as soon as I feel better but I am not sure when I am "safe" again and don't want to spread it further.

Generally once you are symptom free you aren't contagious anymore. Dont be that guy who comes in while still sneezing saying 'well I'm probably good now'.

You're gonna be doing this for years if you take care of yourself, taking an extra 3 days off now to avoid loving over your training partners won't hurt you.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Drewjitsu posted:

Roll a brand new white belt and get back to us. Trust me, you know more than you think.

It's possible that you're power level isn't going up as fast as your peer group, but trust me, you're still learning things.

This. I felt like I was moving really slowly, then I rolled with a guy on his second week and everything was easy. I probably swept him close to a dozen times in one round and caught my first bow and arrow choke ever on an actually resisting opponent.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Marching Powder posted:

you guys get injured a lot. i'll ask yall. training partner of mine has knees that are causing him immense pain. sitting on a bench with no weight on them he'll raise them up and you can hear audible crackling and popping but with no pain. when weight is on them he's in agony. ultrasounds, x-rays, mri's have all come up clear. blood tests show no arthritis markers. normal squats cause the most pain, sumo squats cause significantly less pain. has anyone got any loving idea what this might be?

That sounds like the osgood schlatter symptoms I had as a kid, but that supposedly only impacts children and adolescents and at least for me it went away around 17ish. How old is the guy? I recall my doctor saying that a very small percentage of people keep growing into their 20s and can experience similar symptoms, but that its beyond incredibly rare.

My knees never stopped doing the crackling and popping thing because the bone growth that causes the noises stays behind after the pain goes away and you can aggravate the area pretty easily in my experience. But I dont experience significant pain as long as I'm not doing dumb things like slamming my knees into the mat repeatedly.

e: that should have shown up on x-rays and MRIs though now that I think about it. So I have no idea at all then.

L0cke17 fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Aug 12, 2018

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Mechafunkzilla posted:

I've been wearing the same Under Armor spandex shirts as rashguards for literally 10 years. Just get whatever.

I've got 2 old under armor shirts from 2006ish that I still wear. One of them is finally starting to tear at the sleeve seam, but I bet 5 minutes with a sewing machine and I can get it to last another few years.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Please do not murder your training partners by crushing their tracheas

This. I've now had 2 serious trachea injuries from overzealous chokes. It's been white belts who go from 0 force to hulk smash throat in half a second. The most recent one was around 3 months ago now and it's still painful to swallow sometimes, and the doctor says the lump in my throat will be there for at least another 3 months or more.

Official doctor diagnosis was fractured cartilege on my trachea. You do not want that. It's constant pain for 6+ weeks.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Count Roland posted:

The guard pass was maybe Torreando?

And a lot of BJJ places skimp on the warmups. I used to train at a place that had you do all sorts of interesting movements-- it was a great core workout, among other things. At this new place we do a few drills and thats it.

We have one black belt that does great warmups for us and a couple who are really lazy with it. The worst is this awkward sideways hop you have to do from your butt without using arms or legs on the mat at all. Talk about core workouts. I still haven't been able to figure out the motion to more more than an inch at a time but she can literally hop a full body width at a time.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

spb posted:

Any good schools in Austin? Going to be there for a couple of days.

I've been going to IJJ since November and I'm quite partial to them. It's a good mix of very competitive people and more casual people so you can always find someone who wants to roll at your intensity level.

Paragon is also a mile or two away from there and has some quite excellent open mats, but they don't have air conditioning which is a huge bummer in the summer.

What days of the week will you be in town for?

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

spb posted:

Cool yeah I heard of Paragon. I will be there over Labor Day Weekend (August 31-September 3).

If I were you then I'd hit up Paragon open mat Friday 6-730pm then IJJ open mat Saturday 12:45-2:45pm.

I don't think there's a good sunday open mat still open that I've heard of recently, but someone might be able to recommend one in person if you wanted to find one.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Finally enough people at class have forgotten I really like ezekiels so I've started getting 2-3 of them a roll again. I give it two weeks until everyone wises up and I'm back to not catching any for a couple months.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

I've noticed since I started running my jiu jitsu stamina has gone up significantly with no other real changes. I used to only be able to do 2-3 8 minute rolls in a row without a break, now I can often do 5+ and thats only with a few weeks of other exercise. I need to start a real strength training, my lower body is plenty strong for most of what I want to do but my arms get gassed out crazy fast in a roll.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

spb posted:



It seems like an hour of treadmill vs an hour of rolling that the rolling would be more applicable to well more rolling. Maybe its not that simple though.

Most people probably can't add an extra 4-6 hours a week of rolling but they could easily add that time running.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Xguard86 posted:

My BJJ opinion is that most of us are hobbiests and I already worry about overwrought Meatheads doing dumb poo poo without it being technically ok.

Jumping full guard should also be disallowed due to injury rate.

I will support that any time someone gets a solid lift the person being lifted should concede their position or take the fall with defensive ukemi in recognition that they could've just been hosed.

A blue belt jumped guard on me once. I'm a white belt and had never seen it before or practiced it at all. I was incredibly lucky he didn't snap my knees and I just sprawled forward and slammed him into the mat super hard and don't feel bad about it in the slightest.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

A white belt who has been training for only 3 months heel-hooked me last night. He cranked it on pretty fast and I was so surprised I took a second longer than I should have to tap and now my knee is sore. I was more than a little grumpy at him.

My gym does teach leglocks to all belt levels but always with the caution that if you intend to use them during a roll to talk to your partner if they're white or blue before you do so, but he didn't. I'm probably gonna have a more civil chat with the guy next time I see him and with the instructor as well because I really don't need an overeager rear end in a top hat blowing out my knee.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Count Roland posted:

How long does it take to get a blue belt?

Back when I started training, the gyms I was at all took their time: 2-3 years was pretty normal, but more wouldn't be unusual. Sometimes it went faster, but that was if say a guy had extensive judo experience.

I ask because back then I'd read online about people fretting over the dilution of belts. That ~back in the day~ it used to take real work, but nowadays (5+ years ago now) gyms were becoming more mcdojo-ized, belts were being handed out like candy, making the belts worth less than they were in the past.

Now that I'm back at training, I'm wondering if this has been borne out. At the gym I train at, it seems like it hasn't. The blues have all been training for years. Whites with several stripes are 2-3 years in. I'm a blue myself, and so far all the blues I've faced have, well, felt like blue belts. Purple belts are consistently better; sometimes a great deal better.

What do you guys think?

Its a lot about mat time at my gym. We had a guy go from white to blue at our gym in 6 months from nothing, but he was training 5 days a week for two 2-hour sessions a day for 6 months, not to mention going to multiple other open mats nearby. I've been training maybe 5 hours a week on average for 11 months and have about a third the mat time he has gotten since he started and I'm not at all surprised he is better and also got promoted sooner. The average seems to be ~2.5 years to blue for most people at my gym who only train a couple days a week. We also dont do stripes at all, our instructor thinks theyre silly and we should just train for the sake of training.

On the bright side, I'm getting better too, and caught the newly promoted guy with 2 ezekiels in a single roll last week and I felt really good about myself after.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Defenestrategy posted:

I dunno, 200 pounds of shin to your throat would leave probably more than a few experienced dudes more than a tiny bit salty.

And based on how little force it took for someone to break my throat I wouldnt be surprised if someone put force on a little too fast and causes some pretty serious injuries trying this.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

I had to take another basically 2 weeks off, or just rolling/drilling very light and holy poo poo my stamina was gone. I also dropped ~10lbs from being a lazy gently caress after surgery and when I rolled with the new guys who I could destroy 2 weeks ago I was just getting dominated last night. Really goes to show how bad even a little break can be.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

I just love ezekiels. I finally got revenge on the rear end in a top hat white belt who heel hooked me a couple months ago and hurt my knee. In 3 minutes I ezekieled him from side control, bottom half and from inside his closed guard. The look of defeat when he tapped from the last one made me so happy. He didn't even look me in the eye after (it was the first time we rolled since he had a rather stern chat with the instructor about not heel-hooking other white belts without talking to them beforehand, especially since he's been training only 6 months).

On the one hand I feel kinda like a dick, but on the other hand he slammed on a heelhook super fast.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Tacos Al Pastor posted:

Why is a white belt heel hooking and why is your instructor not shutting that poo poo down??

He watched some videos and wanted to try it. I was the first one he tried it on. The instructor got very mad at him after that, and he was told to not ever try it without learning to do it better and getting explicit permission from his partner before doing it again


E: guy from my gym put up a compilation of his takedowns from the adcc trials this past weekend

https://m.facebook.com/bgambucci/posts/10155485591875793

L0cke17 fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Nov 5, 2018

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Defenestrategy posted:

Sweet take downs, although I'd like to know if doing a spine buster like the very last one constitute a slam? Yuns?

Slams are explicitly allowed iirc.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Nestharken posted:

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Congrats on the revenge. I love doing them from any top position but haven't tried hunting for them from the bottom; maybe that'll be the next white belt troll move to work on. Do you prefer a knife-edge or a fist, and do you aim for the near-side carotid, the trachea, or the far-side carotid?


I usually go for a knife edge with my hand to the far side carotid. I wrap around and try to grab my own forearm with the crossing hand. The trick is to slide your hand thats behind their head back as close as possible to their neck after you start crossing it over so you can get all the way around. If you can get all the way to your own forearm you get both carotids, one with your crossing hand, the other with the edge of the sleeve/the back of your fingers in your sleeve.

That also lets you posture up significantly more to keep them from being able to peel your hand off their neck. You put all your weight into your hand that crosses over onto your own forearm that then gets down to the ground through your other wrist. Since I learned this I've caught nearly a dozen ezekiels from inside someone's closed guard because they just dont have the leverage to fight you off fast enough once you lock your hands into that circle.

From the bottom you can often get ezekiels when you're facing the wrong way from bottom half and can't get to the underhook you need to sweep. In particular if you setup a baseball choke as they try to pass your guard you can often finish that from the bottom, but if they back off to stop the choke you can transition back into halfguard and then be in a prime position to ezekiel them from there all with just minor angle changes.

In no-gi I prefer the fist to the side of the neck. Sometimes you cross all the way across, but its a lot harder to not get stopped when sliding your hand across because the setup is necessarily more obvious since you have no sleeve to work with, forcing you to do the setup further away from them so its easier to spot whats happening.


Odddzy posted:

Tell him I love his choice of takedowns.

Will do! He's a loving beast. Every time we roll I get completely annihilated.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

FiestaDePantalones posted:

I must be telegraphing the crap out of my Ezekiels because as soon as I get my fingers shoved in my gi sleeve the guys I roll with are fighting tooth and nail to cover their necks.

You gotta get faster. If you plant your elbow on the mat and rotate your arm to slide your sleeve towards your fingers the sleeve opens up to the correct side, saving you a lot of fiddling with getting your fingers in. So it's one smooth motion from your arm being out to sliding across the throat and you grab the sleeve on the way basically with the hand that's under their head. Done correctly it's less than a second from nothing to already across.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Nestharken posted:

Good stuff, the details from the top are familiar and the setups from the bottom sound promising.

As far as not telegraphing them, you can also get low and block their view of your free arm with your head to make the setup less obvious. I'll often just chill there with the hand in the sleeve waiting for them to make a move and then strike when they do.

Of course, after you've done this to someone enough, they'll wise up and just start going straight to the Wu-Tang defense as soon as you wrap their head.

One thing I forgot is when you're in mount you can press the side of their head just above their ear with the side of your face right above your jaw and force their neck open. This makes enough space they can't stop you without using 2 hands and it's pretty easy to isolate the hand that's on the side you have the hook under their head before you try. This makes it really hard for them to defend effectively.

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L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

I learned them my third class. One of the black belts pulled me aside during the free rolls after and said 'jiu jitsu is way more fun when you know a submission or two' so she taught me how to do all the ezekiel variants and the baseball choke.

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