|
I rolled with our giant purple belt last night. I fought from the bottom the whole time just to practice avoiding being crushed. He pressure tapped me 3x, but when that happened he just dialed the pressure back and we kept going from the same position. What I found is that my frames were effective at keeping me alive until a certain point, but when he beat those frames with technique they became liabilities - upper body arm frames especially were bad because they just became windshield wiper chokes, which are the worst. In short, big guys, use your weight. If you're being too heavy, people will tap. Your training partners need practice dealing with big rear end heavy dudes, and there's no way for a smaller guy to simulate that.
|
#
¿
May 8, 2019 17:15
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 23, 2024 21:21 |
|
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:That reminds me of a newbie question: should I roll for sports or roll for fights? If you don't practice using your physical attributes you won't be used to using them in your weight class when you compete. Roll for how you like to roll. If you plan to do points tournaments, roll for that. Just don't be a dick, and make the intensity of any given roll a negotiation with your partner.
|
|
#
¿
May 8, 2019 17:26
|
|
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:fair enough, I wasn't planning to deadlift a little guy out of guard or anything... That's a really good example of something that you shouldn't bother practicing, because you're right, you won't be able to do that to someone who is 200+ lb or whatever. But if you are the biggest guy in your gym, and you never practice being heavy or strong because everyone is smaller, you won't be heavy enough or strong when you're going against someone your size.
|
|
#
¿
May 8, 2019 17:38
|
|
|
John Danaher: "Grab the opponent by the somewhat tastelessly named suicide zone of his wrist. The somewhat tastelessly named suicide zone of the wrist is the most effective position for controlling your opponent's arm. Take the somewhat tastelessly named suicide zone of your wrist and press it against the somewhat tastelessly named suicide zone of your opponent's wrist, and pin it to your chest."
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2019 03:44
|
|
|
heeebrew posted:Guys the danaher dvds are very much worth watching to see Placido's loving facial expressions. Peak Danaher-Placido is the mandible choke segment on the back control series.
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2019 17:26
|
|
|
02-6611-0142-1 posted:2kg is a pretty safe weight cut for a same-day weigh-in, right? I’m 18 days out. I could probably lose that cleanly between now and then but I basically don’t want to You're better off dieting
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2019 20:55
|
|
|
CommonShore posted:This enforcer stuff reminds me of a funny story where I was actually kinda used in that role without my knowledge. Remember this guy? He's back! He was in a few no-gi classes recently. Today I'm leaving early (because my GF is going away for the weekend so I want to see her) and he jogs across the street - "Hey CommonShore can I ask you a quick question?" Buddy is signed up for his 5th MMA fight, in 5 weeks. I explictly told him to withdraw, and train for a year, and take another one. It sounds as if he is being brought in to give the promoter's buddy a win, he desperately wants to get the 0 off of his record, and he's worried that he won't get asked to fight again if he withdraws. So yeah, I told him "don't do it, you're not in good enough shape" (note that this is outside of the gym after I left early, so he left early too). He didn't sound like he's going to withdraw, so I also told him that if he decides to ignore my advice, that he needs to get at least 40 workouts in before the fight in 37 days.  and  we need :smithduck:
|
|
#
¿
May 10, 2019 02:11
|
|
|
Yuns posted:I'm shocked that anyone is so bad at doping as to get caught by the USADA. Can you explain? USADA seems to be the only org that ever loving catches anyone.
|
|
#
¿
May 11, 2019 04:52
|
|
|
Dave Grool posted:xpostin' Owns
|
|
#
¿
May 11, 2019 21:04
|
|
|
Ok I'd like to prompt a theoretical discussion here: the tl;dr is How does one go about developing a training plan to improve positional control? I'll try to keep the longer version as short as possible, but it's just context for the question. You may remember that last summer I did something ridiculous like get 60 workouts in 50 days, with only one day missed. I still have a job with good vacation, so I'm getting ready to do that again for this summer. This time I want to go into it with a plan. I had a moment of clarity in self-assessment this week when watching a demo. Proportionally to my own game, my leg attacks are my best branch. That's where I get nearly all of my taps from people who are better than me, and that's the part of my game that my training partners avoid when we're rolling. The moment of clarity is that I suddenly understood why I have more success there, and there are three factors: 1) Leg entanglements make sense in an a priori way to me. They're just obvious. 2) I spend more time practicing them than most of my training partners so my defense and counter attacks are at least one step ahead. importantly, 3) Perhaps because of 1 and 2, I'm able achieve the kind of control there which allows me to hunt leisurely for a break. #3 is what I realized when watching the demo (a front headlock attack which kept someone tied up while securing an anaconda) - I can't achieve that control in other positions and keep it while hunting my finish. This might be because I started learning leg locks with a catch-and-release philosophy, and that I still take my time when I'm going for a heel hook to give my partner every chance to notice it and attempt an escape before I take the grip. Control became central to the game. By contrast I can hold someone my own skill level quite securely in mount or side control, but that control deteriorates beyond usefulness when I start digging for a finish. My back control isn't bad, but I still lose it against athletic people. Now lets get to the actual point: how do I go about setting up a summer training plan to improve this particular quality of developing a superior control which allows lesisurely methodical submission hunting?
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2019 16:36
|
|
|
02-6611-0142-1 posted:Do you have a primary attack from those positions which is designed to destabilise them and open up further attacks? I could perform a bunch of submissions from mount but until recently could never set them up against good opponents. I've been working on that 'ratchet' thing that's on Danaher's triangle and armbar DVDs (a slow, grinding motion that brings one of their arms above their shoulder line), and I'm suddenly a wrecking ball from mount, and all the attacks I've learned in the past are available now. It's similar to how in back control the threat of the RNC or collar choke is what opens everything else up. From mount my primary finisher is arm triangle. If I end up in a high mount I'll go for an s-mounted armbar (does the term "soul sucking armbar" make sense to anyone else?) I try the elbow peel and/or what I call the chicken wing to get the armpit, and then I ratchet/fingerwalk/cousin Itt to get what I want. From side control I usually go for mount, but I'll look for opportunities to grab a power line kimura, guillotine, or step-around armbar as responses to things that my opponent does. The problem is that unless there's a serious gap, I can either control or attack, esp. from mount. Once I start working to expose those elbows, my weight moves, my control deteriorates, and I lose the position. I can't really figure out a methodical way to improve this.
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2019 03:51
|
|
|
The whole concept of a creonte is hillarious and super Brazillian.
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2019 22:35
|
|
|
Good job competing!
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2019 03:35
|
|
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:swear to god my body is made of tissue paper That poo poo doesn't heal on its own. Take care of yourself.
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2019 14:41
|
|
|
Decades posted:Thanks y'all I was going to say something about this too, but I didn't, but now we're on the topic so I will. In your second match, I saw the snapdown he got on you about 2 seconds before he pulled the trigger, because your head got lower than his. Try to keep your head at the same level as your opponent's except when you're pulling the trigger on your own attack. Think of your arms and elbows and head as your defensive measures - keep your head level and keep touching your opponent while you find angle and range, and if he has to get past your arms, head, and elbows, your length will provide you an extra defensive buffer. We've been wrestling at my club a lot lately, and the tall lanky guys tend to like snapdowns, arm drags/2-on-1, and collar tie sequences over the underhook and outside shot approaches. The wrestling coach is going to be in tonight after being away for a month, and out of my own curiosity I'll ask his thoughts on how a very tall lanky guy should wrestle (in addition to like 25 other questions I've been writing down - he's moving away in the next two months, so I'm trying to get as much info down before he leaves).
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2019 14:54
|
|
|
heeebrew posted:Mummy face was much harder to do then I thought.  
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2019 18:55
|
|
|
So based on the thread's comments, and some talk with training partners, the summer of 2019 is going to be the summer of the mount. By Labour Day, I want to have a killer mount. So right now my mount game is primarily built around working a low mount with my heels looped high and using my knees as secondary posts while I hand fight and drive my weight down through my chest. The plan A from there is to get an elbow across my centre line and go for an arm triangle. And here are the questions: 1 - Any suggestions for competitors who do that kind of thing really well? Any suggestions for competitors who have effective (no-gi) mounts that I can watch? Or instructionals? I've quite liked the Karel Pravek stuff that I've seen. 2 - Any suggestions for drills which might help me improve my abilities in these situations?
|
|
#
¿
May 16, 2019 03:32
|
|
|
^^^  I had a black belt give me a handfull of tips like this on my arm triangles and they went from ok to reliable. That up slice as you describe it from the sternum is key. I call it the Z cut. I get the grip around the head, clear the legs, and pull my shoulder back down to the sternum and then slice back up as if I'm tracing a Z with those three steps. Then if that doesn't immediately end it (it often does) I start burrowing my head underneath their head as I walk my feet out. Answering the phone etc doesn't make a difference
|
|
#
¿
May 17, 2019 15:53
|
|
|
Quick question because I'm crunching a position - If player A catches a kimura from the bottom, and player B attempts the lawnmower defense, must player B post the free hand on player A's body for counterforce? Or is it possible (within reasonable physical similarity) to lawnmower out of a kimura without providing that counter force?
|
|
#
¿
May 21, 2019 19:20
|
|
|
02-6611-0142-1 posted:What’s the ‘lawn mower’? pretty much - we call it the lawmower because of the way that lots of people rip the trapped arm up and out as if starting a lawnmower when doing it.
|
|
#
¿
May 21, 2019 22:26
|
|
|
JaySB posted:Rolling kneebar, helicopter sweep, get to dogfight and sweep. Yeah that's kinda where I was on it too. I was sitting around distracted at work and trying to figure out if that post was a necessity for someone to escape it that way, as part of a bigger puzzle.
|
|
#
¿
May 21, 2019 23:20
|
|
|
about 18 months ago I was dealign with your problems. I'm the exact same size as you, close to the same age, and have lots of big training partners. #1 - don't concede bottom is correct. Fight from the top as much as you can. I'll stand right up if I need to. #2 - If they put you on the bottom, keep inside control with knee shield & frames. That poo poo is life. Guys will splay their free legs out, drop their head onto your chest, and start driving in. Put one hand on their ear, and the other on their hip, lock your elbows out and start shrimping to separate, and pop to front headlock and sprawl if you get the chance (it won't happen often, but it's a good target). If their arm dangles, kimura it. #3 - sticky feet. Get that half guard. There aren't many positions where it isn't theoretically possible to snag half guard with one or two motions. Once you're there, #2. #4 - never concede position. Keep moving and keep fighting even if it seems like a lost cause (hint: it's never a lost cause). Resist that urge to go "well my guard is pretty much passed, I guess we're doing side control now..." That's what works for me, anyway. Sometimes I'll fight with someone over these frames for most of a round if I end up in the bad spot. The big purple belts can get past it, but not many of the blue belts, and none of the white belts.
|
|
#
¿
May 22, 2019 03:18
|
|
|
oh and the half guard kimura thing was just me trying to figure out if I could exploit that post on the body somehow to counter my opponent's escape, but I think it's not reliably present so I'm giving up that line of thinking.
|
|
#
¿
May 22, 2019 03:21
|
|
|
JaySB posted:There's no exploit for the post as you've committed both your hands to the kimura and you're going across body. Once they posture there's a ton of follow ups though. 
|
|
#
¿
May 22, 2019 03:47
|
|
|
I was trying it out to indicate a tantalizing leg lock opportunity. Didn't seem to land.
|
|
#
¿
May 22, 2019 03:57
|
|
|
wtf is the john wick throw e. google says it's a sode tsurikomi goshi. Know what makes that throw loving rip? Doing it from two sleeves instead of from the leg grab. You can also do it without letting go of the collar. It's a very high percentage throw.
|
|
#
¿
May 24, 2019 04:24
|
|
|
Dante posted:Well it would be a lie to call Ryan vs Faber exciting , but it's at least somewhat interesting to see two hyper-focused narrow gameplans in a grappling match - even if the match itself didn't turn out to be very interesting. I enjoyed it. It was one of those fights that you knew could explode into an ultra-violent finish at any second, and I felt like there was enough engagement for it to be interesting the whole way through. Faber got totally saved from that heel hook though.
|
|
#
¿
May 26, 2019 01:54
|
|
|
02-6611-0142-1 posted:I feel really good about a competition this last weekend. I am the kind of guy who doesn't take naturally to competition, but I do it once a year or so as a sort of philosophical thing, I guess, no point doing martial arts if you don't fight people. Anyway, I usually lose every match like poo poo, and i'm bad with adrenaline and stuff. Last weekend I entered a weight division lower than usual, I got 3 wins, 2 losses, and 1 DQ for reaping (basically a win), then I withdrew with injury because I got kneebarred real hard (hyperextension injury, ligaments fine, can't train for 4 weeks) This deserves another reply  I had to have the "belts don't matter" convo with a guy at my gym this weekend. He imo absolutely deserves to have his blue belt, and probably did a long time ago, but the head instructor isn't on the ball and is disorganized, and buddy was injured or on moderate-length absences the last two times any belts went out. Buddy is getting impatient though.
|
|
#
¿
May 28, 2019 22:56
|
|
|
Most schools just send dudes to streetbeefs to settle that kind of deadlock.
|
|
#
¿
May 28, 2019 23:02
|
|
|
Defenestrategy posted:To be fair a lot of 200+ dudes have to over come their training partners being babies about weight disparity before actually learning about being able to pressuring anyone. I had one of these moments with a moderately big guy this week. He had me in a small package kimura, and then let it go. I asked him why - "I didn't want to use strength" and I had to demonstrate that even though I'm 40 lb smaller than him, I can keep him wrapped up in a small package kimura with just one hand. Being a big guy is doing things like trying to rip an arm off rather than use technique, or slamming people.
|
|
#
¿
May 29, 2019 14:07
|
|
|
There will be a day when you all of a sudden you realize that person X has been playing with you the whole time. It often happens when you do something right and it works for like 3 seconds then you suddenly get shut down in the most humiliating way.
|
|
#
¿
May 29, 2019 22:43
|
|
|
Tacos Al Pastor posted:Danahers DVDs are great. I have been focusing on triangles and hit another rear one (ushiro) yesterday in sparring, but I lost position, and remembered what he said: if you lost the position for some reason, attack the arms. Got a nice Americana using the technique he showed. Really glad I bought that one. I love the ushiro strangle and hantei trimura. I hit them quite regularly.
|
|
#
¿
May 31, 2019 17:55
|
|
|
Once in a while I forget my water bottle in my car and so I put my shoes on and run out to get it with my spats on, and 100% of the time I'll run into someone I know.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 8, 2019 21:13
|
|
|
Super happy for you mate! Well deserved I'm sure.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 16, 2019 04:18
|
|
|
corgarts on blue belt
|
|
#
¿
Jun 22, 2019 14:43
|
|
|
Xguard86 posted:It helps to integrate the movements into your life too. Like always stand with a technical getup variation. Shrimp or slide getting out of bed. Open doors with the correct arm. The list is huge. I drive standard and move the gear shifter with proper push and pull grips.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 24, 2019 17:41
|
|
|
I was the uke for a mount escape demo tonight, and it involved a big bridge which forces the top player to post. When my hand went down on the mat, the guy doing the demo was put into a Jackson Pollock painting of my sweat. JaySB - You mentioned int he B-league thread that Lovato's er.. dog fight standup is your #2 move from bottom half. Care to share your list?
|
|
#
¿
Jun 28, 2019 03:37
|
|
|
JaySB posted:#1: Kimura trap - Butterfly hook sweep Is this in any particular order?
|
|
#
¿
Jun 29, 2019 00:17
|
|
|
JaySB posted:Order most often completed when attempted. Probably also most often used. Thanks!
|
|
#
¿
Jun 30, 2019 02:28
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 23, 2024 21:21 |
|
|
I have a similar set that I use too, and the same problems as 02- because my gym is full of wrestly pressure passers who kill your hips... Without thinking about it too hard: 1 - Dogfight single (old school?). I love passing the outside foot up to my underhooking hand. 2 - Dogfight roll over against forward whizzer pressure. (twistback?) 3 - Kimura trap, esp. to T-kimura 4 - Leg lock poo poo. 5 - Butterfly hook sweep (sumi gaeshi) 6 - Dogfight back take 7 - Hip bump 8 - rDlR crowbar Most of the decisions are reactionary. If I end up in half guard I immediately start working for 1 always and only go other directions if people give me different things.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 30, 2019 14:38
|
|