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Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
I remember dreaming about FPV RC flight while walking to elementary school. It may have taken awhile, but I finally got in the air!

I've had a few of the Blade series of helis starting with the MCX, then MSR, and now the 120 SR. They are durable and parts are cheap and they don't fly half bad either.

Here is my 120 SR set up for FPV flying. I split a 7.4v 900mah lipo pack to get two 3.7v 900mah flight packs and they let me fly for about 10 mins each.



I've modified the 120 a bit to make it more stable and more powerful. I've extended the tailboom by a few cm and used a solid carbon rod for increased stiffness over the hollow stock boom and also added a horizontal stabilizer. I glued some carbon rod into the flybar to stiffen it up and make it more precise. I've also replaced the motor and battery wires with bigger gauge, eliminated the connectors to the motor, and replaced the JST battery connectors with micro-deans for less resistance. I'm also using a DX6i controller.



I made a balsa frame to hold the video gear. I'm using a KX-1 micro camera along with a 200mw 5.8ghz vtx and a micro-microphone all from fpvhobby.com (they're located in Turkey so shipping takes awhile but it's totally worth it as they have the best 5.8ghz gear; built in filters and voltage regulators). I want to eventually run the video off the flight pack, but it will need a filter cuz I get interference when running the motor, a stock MSR lipo runs the vtx and camera.

IMO this is the cheapest route to get into FPV heli flying, although by far not the most stable. I am anxiously awaiting a 120 sized CP heli from Blade.

Here is my first video which shows my ground station setup and some funny crashes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cukkPQEGOgw

And here is my 2nd which is much better I think, it involves lots of fast forward flight, dives, and turns....and a goose:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieteE1doS-s

Here's another, it features really high altitude flying and flying through trees. Also features my flybar breaking a few hundred feet up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DotKbtJVPk


Here's my latest video. Flying over (and in) a lake!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHi3MEM6jHw


You guys should check out https://fpvlab.com/forums/forum.php, it is a new site that is run by people who love to FPV. It's not stuck in some back corner of another site or plagued by terrible old people drama (rcgroups anyone?) and it's growing and growing.

Vitamin J fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 16, 2011

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Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Less childish fantasies, more flying!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaFH9ia6rec

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
I guess you got me there.

It's Omni, it's pattern is like a donut. I don't really know much about it except for it's the poo poo. It blows away the 2db rubber ducky that came with the stock kit. Better range, better picture quality, and better behind objects. With a cloverleaf circular polarized antenna on the vtx it's supposed to be unbeatable and really wake up 2.4ghz and 5.8ghz. This is just for short-medium range though, I don't know anything about long range antennas.

With circularly polarized antennas like the SPW and CL you can flip, roll, turn, whatever and it doesn't matter.

Check out:
http://videoaerialsystems.com/products/transmitter-antennas/

It's run by a guy named Alex who's a genius and flying further with less tx power.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
I've moved on from my micro heli to some fixed wing foamies and I'm having a blast!

I built up a Floater Jet which I highly recommend as a first FPV plane. It very cheap from hobbyking.com and is very very tough. It's fast and agile as well as a good glider.





Then I lost it flying along a cliff:



I got an offer to search for my plane from a fellow FPVer with a Cessna! Couldn't turn that chance down and the search was successful!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3JbWsFulBk

But I made some sweet vids with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpuTCekeXI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMiA2tCurl4

SENTRY from FPVLab took pity on my lost plane and shipped me a brand new Easystar! I transferred the gear I salvaged from my Floater and cut ailerons and got back in the air!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x9NCYRaSTY

We recently had a Colorado FPV meetup down near South Park and camped out for the weekend. I was able to get some really cool chase footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBWiSr_A33Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed83QMVMp0E


Now I'm working on a new plane. Last weekend I visited one of my new FPV buddies down in Durango and we sliced out some new wings. It's a flying wing just shy of a 50" wingspan. We cut it out of foam he found in his garage and the covering is a lightweight tarp he found in the dumpster behind Home Depot.

The budget wing:

Vitamin J fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Aug 4, 2011

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
That heli looks pretty cool but it's still only 3 channels and a micro coax. 3 channels means you can fly forwards and backwards and steer with the rudder but you can't strafe sideways or move at an angle, which is the whole point of a heli imo.

You should look for a used MCX, that at least is 4 channels and has a swashplate so it's similar to a real heli. You're gonna get bored fast though so don't spend a lot on a coax.

ease posted:

That looks totally repairable. Gorilla glue.
Yeah, easily could have. Had a few reasons for writing it off though. Firstly I had crashed it many times before so it was more glue than foam. Also it had been sitting on top of the cliff for over a week so the foam was yellowing and getting crunchy. On top of all that my donated brand-new Easystar was already in the mail.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhIrHe9wmT4

It flew! Did a second flight Sunday after toning down the controls and adding expo, loved it! Glides amazingly well and it crazy fast. Vertical performance no problem with a Turnigy 2836 2350kv. No video because my friend overstated his camera's ability and no video is better than the video I have.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Finished my wing:





Flies great! Calculated the level flight speed to be around 50 to 60mph :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG4iqIuxe0Y

Vitamin J fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Aug 25, 2011

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Nerobro, if you're serious about this hobby you should pick up a DX6i. It's a real radio and will let you have control past 1km. Also has a shitload of features and you can totally change the way the plane flies.

I like to build not buy:


http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=532138

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Sweet man. I built a kit out of balsa long ago but never flew it, was too scared. I love foam though! Gonna put a camera on the old .40 trainer one of these days.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Here's some recent vids from my scratchbuilt planes, my 50" wing and 32" Cub.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_6rsOcEi4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjPpYtdCDyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN1w35CR8dw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi-GDR0LWqs

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
It's good to start simple. All you really need are: video transmitter and receiver, small security camera, goggles or TV screen, and an RC plane. I have about $200 in my main FPV plane and ground station while some people spend $5000 or more, so just look around.

A Super Cub would be perfect, nice and slow and stable. The DX7 not so much, but will work ok for close range. The problem is that Spektrum isn't designed for more than 1500 feet, and the signal can be blocked by trees or houses etc ( someone walking in front of you). It's also a digital system so you go from full control to control lock-out with no warning. With analog 72mhz you will get glitches and jittering from the servos before losing control. I lost my first plane 500 feet from where I was standing because of Spektrum control lock out.

Anyway, you should start reading here:
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?116-FPV-PILOT-TRAINING-CENTER-YOUR-ROAD-TO-FPV-SUCCESS

That forum and that thread in particular have tons of info. Don't be afraid of registering and asking questions, those guys have been known to mail out old gear to newbies just to have another FPVer flying around.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
I've gone over 2 miles with a $40 used 72mhz Futaba and a $20 Corona synthesized receiver. Some people have reported 4 to 5 miles with the Corona rx. You can also double the length of the rx antenna for even more range. The Corona you want is the RP6D1 (6 ch.) or RP8D1 (8 ch.).

For "long range" (like 10 miles+) people use LRS (long range systems) which transmit on UHF and can go massive range, like 50 miles, but that's on a whole different level.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Good luck dude on that 25mw 5.8ghz. I know there's a lot to be said about being legal, but you're gonna have maybe 500 meters max range with tuned antennas. Maybe 1km if you had everything dialed in and a high gain antenna.

In the US anything over 10 or 50mw or something is illegal even if you have a HAM, if the signal is analog. The 1w rule is for digital like the FHSS UHF system. I'm illegal, basically everyone else is illegal, but we use the HAM license to show that we want to be legal but the law is too outdated.

There are 25mw 2.4ghz systems which you would have better luck with as long as there wasn't Wifi interference. 5.8ghz is awesome but you've gotta have at least 100mw.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.

Helldesk posted:

Meanwhile, I made these little friends to help with getting the most out of 25 mW:


Those are circularly polarized omnidirectional 5.8 GHz antennas that reject multipathing very well. I couldn't get the signal to degrade when testing indoors (very preliminary, just checking if the modules worked). A highly directive Rx antenna should also help, but there's no reason to get ahead of myself. These should be plenty to get usable video from within line of sight, which is all that is allowed anyway for RC vehicles. Even a kilometer should be doable with omni antennas, weather permitting - if I could just find equipment to tune them with for frequencies as high as these! As they are, they're probably ok enough to get started though.
drat, nice job on those! Check out the Helical antenna, it's a directional CP antenna and really good. I still doubt you'll get 1km with omnis, I barely get 1km on CP omnis with my 200mw 5.8ghz system. I'd be glad to be proved wrong though!

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Hooked up with another FPVer and flew Sunday. Did some formation flying and terrorized the LOS warbird flyers.

His vid, him chasing me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNiwgrQF4u4


My vid, me chasing him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jKUZDfIfWE

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
A CP heli would be awesome as hell, I've wanted to build a 450 for awhile now. The reason most people aren't into them as much for FPV is just because MRs are pretty new and with all the electronics they make a pretty badass platform for really stable shots. Aerial photographers use 6 or 8 rotor copters for their big HD rigs with impressive results. Check out Got Aerial, no wonder the lobbies against commercial UAV use has heated up, these guys with a $2k rig can make videos that used to cost tens of thousands. Imagine how cheap a UAV traffic reporting would be.

On top of that they're safer than CPs because they just use plastic props 6 - 10 inches instead of a massive carbon prop that will slice a person into many pieces. They're not the safest things though. An FPV pilot should always be aware of what you're flying over and the damage you could do.

CPs are awesome because:
-Way faster
-Fly more like a plane, high speed fast turns, dive, roll, etc. MRs have a lot of problems with descending and flying into their own propwash.
-You have hope if you lose power, you can attempt to auto-rotate with some control. When an MR loses a motor it's catastrophic.
-Run-time, I think you can get about 15 mins out of a 450 sized heli while a similar quad will do about 7.
-Better in wind because the CP can almost react instantaneously whereas the MR needs to spool up or down the rotors to react, the bigger it is the slower it reacts.

Check out this thread for the most badass CP FPV heli I've seen:
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?669-T-rex-450-fpv-pimped

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Indoor season?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrxNzRIeTPY


Another local FPVer saw my scratchbuilds and wants me to build him a Jackal with a 1200mm wingspan. The kicker: he's gonna buy enough 6mm EPP and electronics for two planes, and I just have to build him one :D!

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
That's why I love FPV, for that video I put my receiver on the roof and flew from inside my car! I just crack the window for my RC antenna. Turn on the radio and crank up the heater.

I definitely feel you on the wind, around here it really only gets bad in the fall and spring, so we're past most of it for awhile. High winds are the reason I built a wing for my main FPV plane. I also built a smaller one that I can fly in the park when it's too windy for my Cub. It just sucks flying crosswind via the camera with no pan and no rudder.

Vitamin J fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Dec 8, 2011

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Welcome to the Specter, purpose built FPV plane designed by FPVer IBCrazy.

Specs:
Laminated EPP, coroplast tail, fiberglass booms
Wingspan 48"
Length 42"
Weight w/ batt ready to fly: 1002 grams
Full 4 channel control

Electronics:
Blue 3530 1700kv brushless with 7x6 prop
Castle Creations 36amp ESC
HK metal gear servos for ail and elev, 9g for rudder
2200mah 35C lipo
Corona 72mhz receiver

FPV:
5.8ghz vtx
Readymade RC 480 OSD camera
HK Simple OSD
Skew Planar Wheel on the vtx, 5 turn Helical on vrx

FPV Maiden flight (cooler visuals like flying over shadow)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1qaFmS9o9Y

Second flight (smoother and lower and 2km trip to the ridge)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTPcXpOOQNs








Kits may be for sale in the spring...for cheap!

Vitamin J fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Dec 15, 2011

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
It wasn't that hard, just used a square ruler and lots of double checking.

The antenna would be marginally better pointed towards the ground, but that poses landing problems. The nulls are above and below it pretty much identically so the only benefit pointing it down would be to clear the freshnel zone better but it clears that just fine on this plane. Foam and coro don't hamper the RF enough to worry.

900mhz is used by cell towers and you may have serious problems with interference. Almost no FPVers use it except for guys out in the boonies. If I don't have problems with 5.8 then you certainly won't at the lower freqs. I've seen it both ways.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Your results may vary, I've just heard from many FPVers, local and far away, that they don't have good results with 900 in an urban/semi-urban environment. Most guys use either 1.3 or 2.4 for long range.

I've heard stories of interference so bad they couldn't even get 50 meters before the picture was too terrible to fly.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
A 2m glider would be perfect for a starting set-up.

You're going to have to do a lot of reading and research to figure out what the best video frequency is for you. Local rf usage, range goals, size, etc are all factors and only you can choose.

Start reading this whole thread:
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?116-FPV-PILOT-TRAINING-CENTER-YOUR-ROAD-TO-FPV-SUCCESS (The guy in these videos is the guy who designed my Specter, innovated CP antennas for FPV, is a genius, and gives away most of his work completely free)

And then keep reading that forum. I studied for 6 months before putting my first system together and I still made a ton of mistakes. FPV is kind of a black art, nothing plug-n-play yet, just geeks in the lab with a soldering iron. Here's another good thread:
http://fpvlab.com/forums/showthread.php?2692-Advice-on-a-starter-setup-for-Xmas

A few rules of thumb for deciding:
-5.8ghz has lowest noise floor, but lowest range potential as well so tuned circularly polarized antennas are a necessity. Full 8 channels so you can fly with buddies on 5.8.
-2.4ghz is what Trappy used for his New York flight and his mountain flights in the Alps, many other guys are using it as well, it is a great choice but check for local wifi interference. Works fine alongside 2.4ghz RC transmitters as long as you power the 2.4 vtx first (I mean other planes using 2.4 control, do not mix 2.4 control with 2.4 video on the same plane!). Still pretty compact antennas.
-1.3ghz is great for long range, behind obstacles, etc. Only one legal channel though, 1280 and the others are used for air navigation so you really just want to stick to 1280. I think 1360 is open too but only a few vtx/vrxs reach that far. Big antennas.
-900mhz has the most range potential, best object penetration but subject to interference. 900 also wreaks havok on everything else from servos to the RC rx so you need big separation between components, lots of filters and ferrite rings, and lots of testing.

-Whatever freq you pick, you don't need more than 500mw, 200-400 is recommended. Anymore is just wasted battery, extra heat, and more rf interference with the rest of your plane. Going from 500mw to 1w is less beneficial that just getting a slightly higher gain antenna, inverse-square law and all that.

After you pick the freq then buy a vtx/rx combo, combos are usually cheaper unless you get used or a special or something. Shop readymaderc.com, videoaerialsystems.com, and bevrc.com

Then a camera, this is a great starter camera:
http://www.readymaderc.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_62_12&products_id=200

You can also pick up a cheaper CMOS camera, less quality but cheaper, lighter, more durable.

Then you need something to fly with, a TV or goggles. TVs are cheapest, the Haier 10" is what I use and I got it for $60.

Keep an eye out for 5v vs 12v cameras and transmitters. Assuming you use a 3S lipo I would buy 12v gear. Then you just need to build/buy an LC filter (batt -> ferrite ring -> capacitor -> vtx) and that will keep your video clear of ESC interference. If you get a 5v system you can use a small BEC to power everything.

Stock antennas will be good enough to get you started. If you start with 5.8ghz though you may want to start with a set of CP antennas. Buy those at videoaerialsystems.com or truerc.net/canada, beware of knock-offs.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Yeah, not a lot of innovative or unique FPV planes really, just Easystars or Skywalkers and boring crap like that. Wings have found a new home with FPV though, seems like everyone's building one these days.

I started with a DX6i too. I pushed it to 1km a couple times but felt really scared. You don't get glitching like with PPM, you just go from full control to total lock-out, can take up to 5 seconds to regain signal if you're lucky and that feels like an eternity.

On top of that it gets disrupted enough to lock-out once you start flying out of line-of-sight. This happened to me about 500ft from where I was standing. Just dipped below the rocks a bit and had a lock out. 72mhz PPM and I would have just raised my TX above my head and climbed to safety.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2PZGsV4If4

Bought an old Futaba for $40 and got a Corona rx for $22 and haven't looked back. Been 2.5 miles on stock antennas.

btw, just to show you how awesome the FPV community is, check out how I ended up finding my downed plane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3JbWsFulBk

Vitamin J fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Dec 16, 2011

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Flying a plane for hobby reasons is almost entirely unregulated. The only laws that apply are local state and county rules and mostly apply to parks an recreation areas. Some city's also have ordinances against RCs of any sort, some just have regulations again "powered" RC planes.

You can skirt around these issues from standing on the side of the road or on private land and flying over the restricted areas, because the laws only apply to where the pilot is standing :)

The only laws that apply to the FPV gear are the FCC rules. A HAM license is recommended for the video transmitter, but doesn't make you totally legal as these devices aren't approved for use in the US.

When someone tells you that you can't fly out of LOS or above 400 feet they are referring to the AMA guidelines published by the FAA as the AC 91-57. The AC stands for "Advisory Circular" and that means it's not a law but a recommendation for safe flight.

This all applies to UAVs for hobby use, for commercial it is outlawed right now. You need to get an experimental certificate for scheduled test flights from the FAA and they aren't giving very many out. There are many UAV professional photography companies, but they generally get shut down by the FAA once they get too big. I've also heard of a Search & Rescue team getting shut down by the FAA literally right as they were about to launch to find a missing pregnant lady. They were operating as a non-profit at the time which should have been allowed.

There is a lot of lobbying right now on behalf of the military/law enforcement UAV developers and manned photography companies to stop UAVs from being used. It won't last, though.

e: I'm not sure that a totally autonomous UAV is outlawed, either, here is a link to a contest which has them compete:
http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10435

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Yeah I agree the MSR is tricky if you're new to helis. If you start with an MCX you'll probably spend less money than you would on replacement parts for the MSR.

I've flown my MSR outside a ton. Stock is ok in mild breezes but for wind you need to do some mods. A bigger battery and trimming 1-2mm off the blades works well.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
What I did with my Floater Jet to keep the wings removable but have a rigid spar was to glue one half of the spar into one wing with Gorilla Glue. Then I applied glue to the other wing's spar cover and wing slot, put a piece of tape over it, then slid the greased up spar into the slot, pushed it all tight, and let the glue set. I greased the spar with dielectric silicone grease.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
^^To keep the glue from sticking to the spar. I also held my wings together with a rubberband system like that, works great!

Have some weather:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTOWZvHNFzU

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.

hayden. posted:

Maybe you can help me with this too, VJ: what are all the plastic rings that came with it for? One of them fits inside one side of the prop and I assume is supposed to go in there. What are all the others for?

I wish this came with instructions.
Yeah use the ring to snug up the prop onto the motor shaft, there should be a few sizes so make sure you find the snuggest fit. Others are just extras for other kits/motors.

ease posted:

Hey VJ, what happened after the battery fell out ?

referring to this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQ1fjnwTtk&feature=related
The plane fell into the road. Thankfully it was close enough that I looked over and saw it fluttering down. Also lucked out and there was no traffic at all until I packed up my stuff and drove to it. Broke the antenna and cracked the tail, easy fixes. I was mostly pissed because I lost the battery.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Believe it or not but that's about all the travel you're gonna need with that plane. You may want to get some more throw with dual rates, but for normal flying that will be plenty. The Floater Jet can be very pitch sensitive especially if you get the cg right so it don't need much deflection.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
My latest scratchbuilt is a replica of the Hall PH-3, a 1939 patrol seaplane. I modified the plans for the Drake FFF. It's got dual KFm2 wings and dual 1100kv motors spinning 8x6 props. 48" wingspan, 37" length.










Just got a simple 5.8ghz and cheap CMOS camera right now, but I want to put a better vtx and camera along with a pan/tilt mount so I can drive around on the lake and chase ducks this spring. Probably going to upgrade the props too. I have some 9x7s that I may cut down to fit or I'll try to find some 3-bladed props. The 8x6s work great but when the wind picks up I definitely need more pitch speed.

Here's the FPV maiden, tons of fun on the snow!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdiwkddOqpQ

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
If you are a fan of FPV flying and UAVs in general then please take a few minutes to sign this petition:

http://www.change.org/petitions/rear end...m_term=own_wall

Currently big defense contractors like Raytheon and Northrop Grumman as well as aerial photography companies are lobbying hard to keep the UAV/AP market to themselves. This makes perfect sense when you realize the amount of money that goes into a simple traffic helicopter, let alone a photoshoot for a documentary, as well as the monopoly of UAV use by the military and police.

Here's a better description of the problem:

quote:

The RCAPA-(radio controlled aerial photography association) meets all of the requirements to hold a seat on the UAS ARC. The ARC is an aviation rulemaking committee which is supposed to be open to public discussion, in this case pertaining to the use of UAS/r/c aircraft for commercial aerial photography, among other uses. The RCAPA would be the only voice for the small business stakeholders on the UAS ARC if Ms. Gilligan would give them a seat but so far she has not. This is disenfranchisement.

Not only are they refusing to hear small business in the making of the rules, they have BANNED the use of ANY size r/c aircraft for commercial use until their rules and regs heve been announced sometime in 2013-2015, effectively criminalizing the operations of many already operating businesses. It is legal to fly them safely for fun, but as soon as anyone makes a buck doing it they are suddenly committing a crime.

With only large corporate interests holding seats on this ARC the interests of the small business stakeholders will not be heard and any rules and regulations created will end up being unfair to anyone who already has an R/C aerial photography/videpgraphy business or who has an interest in starting a small business doing aerial photography with any type of r/c aircraft, large or small. To fly a small quadricopter like the one seen here one would need a REAL piots license with a HELICOPTER ENDORSEMENT, even to hover in front of a house and take a few pictures for homeowners or Realtors.

So please, please sign the petition so in the future people can do this without fearing government punishment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Nw2f48ScU

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Yep they're illegal to fly for hire. That's pretty stupid huh? The petition is to let a representative group of small commercial UAV operators the chance to have a say in the FAA regulations that will be released. Right now they are writing them to force you to get a full-scale pilots license to fly a UAV and that's stupid for obvious reasons, it's just a needless hurdle to keep cheap AP from hampering the big dog's profits.

What are you talking about? I was just at a sporting event and there were RC blimps dropping coupons into the crowd, clearly they are safe enough. Those are UAVs operating for profit, albeit indoors. Put some ducts around the blades on a multirotor and it will be much safer. And yes they want to fly them around people and property but that's what commercial AP platforms already do, and they have much more potential to cause damage. All these issues are to be discussed in the UAS ARC and that's why it's imperative that the RCAPA is involved to offer some insight and balance against (dishonest) corporate and political influence.

Full size helicopters crash all the freakin time btw.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Yeah I guess we agree but right now they won't even allow small business UAV operators or even operators running as a non-profit to use them in things like search and rescue, even when they are requested by the local authorities. These people have tried to apply for experimental permits or emergency permits or whatever and keep being denied. This is obviously to stop a grabbing newspaper headline and keep the association of UAVs with the military.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
The floater jet will do about 50mph+ with a 6x5 prop on the stock motor, EZ* will need an aftermarket motor to do that speed and is bigger and heavier so it'll take a lot more power to do the same speeds, it's much more flimsy and spongy while the Floater is stiff and rigid. They'll both hold a GoPro fine if you can bury it in the foam a bit. It'd be sweet to see one land/take off one water too! Will need some floats for the wingtips but it should be ok I'd think.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Check this thread for more info and popular upgrades:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=972336

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
I picked up an antenna tracker and now my 5.8ghz video performance is absolutely amazing. I'm using an 8-turn helical that a very nice man in Germany mailed to me for Christmas.

It's the Skylark AAT for use with the Trace OSD. They had a group buy on FPVlab.com so I got it $100 off with free shipping! Nice!

Anyway here's a video of the tracker in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XnrKlUS8Hs

And it results in crisp circularly polarized video in any direction I want:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-rTC-ZZPv4


I also bought this:



Trex 250 with align motor/esc and upgraded metal digital servos. Only been hovered. Eventually will go FBL. Does anyone have any experience with the either of these from HK?

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__19951__Hobbyking_EBAR_3_Axis_Flybarless_System.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__20996__Hobbyking_ZYX_3_Axis_Flybarless_System_.html

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Yeah that's what I've read everywhere and I should probably listen. I came across this locally and the price was too good to pass up. I've also got a couple really experienced local heli guys who can help me set it up and get it going. If I can't fly it I'll sell it off.

Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
I got the 250 exclusively as an FPV platform so I'm not planning on doing much more than circuit flying. Definitely won't be doing any 3D. Oh yeah this is my first CP so I'll be getting in lots of time on the sim and maybe buddy-box.

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Vitamin J
Aug 16, 2006

God, just tell me to shut up already. I have a clear anti-domestic bias and a lack of facts.
Yeah there's a couple FPV 250s out there, the FPV set-up I will be running will weigh less than 50 grams. Here's a pretty sweet video of a 250 FPVing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiKIpouAaMk

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