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Terpfen
Jul 27, 2006
Objection!



"al-azadĒ posted:

Level-5 is working on this little beauty.

Level-5 has more than one development team. Theyíve been working on DQ10 for at least 18 months to two years.

LooseChanj posted:

So what console am I gonna have to buy to play 10?

As announced in 2008, the Wii.

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Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010



LooseChanj posted:

So what console am I gonna have to buy to play 10?

Wikipedia claims it will be released on the Wii, but I wouldn't be surprised if Squenix cancel that and do the game for the 3DS.

Terpfen
Jul 27, 2006
Objection!



Saoshyant posted:

Wikipedia claims it will be released on the Wii, but I wouldn't be surprised if Squenix cancel that and do the game for the 3DS.

Not at this stage. Theyíre roughly 2 years into development. Dragon Quest VII went through development hell; theyíre not going to repeat that.

mystery at hog island
Aug 16, 2003
Captain of Outer Space

Thanks for making this thread.

I've played Dragon Quests 1 through 5 and I also played 9. I'm working on the DS version of 5 now and I have a copy of 6 ready to go when I'm finished with that.

I would looove to play 7 but the prospect of playing a Dragon Quest on my TV after all these fantastic handheld ports is a huge turnoff for me.

If they decide to port 7 to the DS or the 3DS though...

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006


Port 7 and halve or quarter the amount of battles needed to level classes and we're in business. Maybe double how much xp and gold you get, too.

Genpei Turtle
Jul 20, 2007



Captain Vittles posted:

Yes. DQ3 is a perfect capper to the Erdrick* trilogy. The GBC release has two bonus dungeons; go play that one if you can.

*Loto is a dumb name.

Or better yet, the SFC version. (Is there a translation patch for that?)

Somewhat related, I've noticed that DQ is like the one remaining JRPG franchise where they arbitrarily rename large numbers of major characters when they translate the games to English. Not that it makes a huge difference, but I kinda wish they wouldn't do that--even though I've played most of the DQ games at some point in time I always get confused in these sorts of threads because I never know what characters other people are referencing and vice versa.

mystery at hog island
Aug 16, 2003
Captain of Outer Space

dis astranagant posted:

Port 7 and halve or quarter the amount of battles needed to level classes and we're in business. Maybe double how much xp and gold you get, too.
Yeah I did hear it was a grindfest even by DQ standards. Ease up on the grinding a bit and make it like the DS ports of the Zenithia trilogy and we're in business. TAKE MY MONEY, SQUEENIX.


Genpei Turtle posted:

Or better yet, the SFC version. (Is there a translation patch for that?)

Somewhat related, I've noticed that DQ is like the one remaining JRPG franchise where they arbitrarily rename large numbers of major characters when they translate the games to English. Not that it makes a huge difference, but I kinda wish they wouldn't do that--even though I've played most of the DQ games at some point in time I always get confused in these sorts of threads because I never know what characters other people are referencing and vice versa.

Aren't a lot of the recent changes just reverts from the late-80s trend of having to fit longer words into fewer characters + westernizing stuff?

I'm fine with changes if they're puns on par with DQIX.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

I'm "bananas" for mods showing that I never do anything beyond the minimum in video games!

LooseChanj posted:

So what console am I gonna have to buy to play 10?

At last word, the Wii.

goldjas
Feb 22, 2009

I HATE ALL FORMS OF FUN AND ENTERTAINMENT. I HATE BEAUTY. I AM GOLDJAS.

Genpei Turtle posted:

Or better yet, the SFC version. (Is there a translation patch for that?)

Somewhat related, I've noticed that DQ is like the one remaining JRPG franchise where they arbitrarily rename large numbers of major characters when they translate the games to English. Not that it makes a huge difference, but I kinda wish they wouldn't do that--even though I've played most of the DQ games at some point in time I always get confused in these sorts of threads because I never know what characters other people are referencing and vice versa.

Probably because a lot of the Japanese names are just plain stupid (Loto vs. Erdrick as mentioned earlier for an example). This is due to the Japanese having a generally quirky sense of humor I assume. I'm actually very glad the U.S translators have been making the silly humor into something well...humorous over here in the more current games, such as with 9.

Agnostic watermelon
Jul 1, 2009

I'm a lil' Brony!

al-azad posted:

Well, DQ5 certainly took a dark turn. Watching Pankraz beaten in-battle was strangely moving. Normally a game would just kill off a character in cinematic fashion but no, you have to watch this dude suffer pathetic amounts of damage slowly over the course of 10 or so turns before he's obliterated. He loving takes it like a man, too.


Level-5 is working on this little beauty.



I actually had a nerdy wet dream about DQ10 looking like that.

I would be so happy just to get the DS one (with that spell book of course)



[e] Now that I think about it DQ 5 is the most of the series.



puns are awesome and I wish more games would take advantage of them
VVVV

Agnostic watermelon fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2011 around 01:13

Adam Bowen
Jan 6, 2003

This post probably contains a Rickroll link!


That reminds me of my most hated feature of DQIX - the endless puns. Just because a pun is funny sometimes doesn't mean it will be funny if the name of basically every character and location is a pun of some sort.

spacebard
Jan 1, 2007

Football~


Genpei Turtle posted:

Or better yet, the SFC version. (Is there a translation patch for that?)

Yes, but there are some questionable lines in it.

Manos del Sino posted:

I just got Ashlynn in my party and Ra's mirror and the rest of my team is around level 15. Nothing had been a challenge up until I reached this cave, and now suddenly I'm not just outclassed, I'm way outclassed by the mobs here.

Yeah, I actually got killed by some garrrgoyles, and then learned better the next time and evac'd a couple more times. I didn't have much money to spend on some equipment. It was a good test of the tactics system though (pushing buttons ). Now that I have some more cash I can get some better weapons and armor (not on everyone though).

edit: I feel like I'm gaining levels too much, and I'm still getting my rear end kicked.

Agnostic watermelon
Jul 1, 2009

I'm a lil' Brony!

spacebard posted:

Yes, but there are some questionable lines in it.


Yeah, I actually got killed by some garrrgoyles, and then learned better the next time and evac'd a couple more times. I didn't have much money to spend on some equipment. It was a good test of the tactics system though (pushing buttons ). Now that I have some more cash I can get some better weapons and armor (not on everyone though).

You really should use sap on them (and run the gently caress away if you encounter more than one at a time)

Terpfen
Jul 27, 2006
Objection!



Genpei Turtle posted:

Or better yet, the SFC version. (Is there a translation patch for that?)

Yes.

Dog Toggle Switch
May 16, 2006



Finally got my copy of DQ6, now I can safely say I've at least played all of the core games.

I've noticed it mentioned a couple of times, but it needs to be stated in no uncertain terms: Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker is by far and away one of the best DS games and DQ games available.
Take the battle system of DragonQuest, the monster collecting of Pokemon and the breeding/fusing of a ShinMegami game and throw it into the same graphics engine as DQ9 and you've got one of the most under-appreciated gems of the past few years.
I'd imagine it's pretty hard to find nowadays, but if you're interested in any of the games it borrows it's concepts from, you're going to love it.

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006


mystery at hog island posted:

Yeah I did hear it was a grindfest even by DQ standards. Ease up on the grinding a bit and make it like the DS ports of the Zenithia trilogy and we're in business. TAKE MY MONEY, SQUEENIX.


One specific example of DQ7's grindiness: the fastest way to get into the Hero class (the all-rounder advanced class the game hypes up in several places, the requirements of which are mastering any 3 intermediate or advanced classes) requires you to master the warrior, fighter, cleric, paladin, dragoon and godhand classes (and godhand has better skills anyway). That takes 1075 battles (more if you accidentally hit an area's level cap on the way up, which prevents you from leveling classes there) plus another 200 to master it. The summoner class takes 1435 to get into and another 250 to master. Note that both of those assume you started right out going straight for those classes. Then there's the monster classes, which require a monster heart to get into (megarare drops (a couple can only be gotten this way and are needed for the top end classes) or hours of playing lucky panel in the casino) and then have their own hierarchy to go through to get the best ones, culminating in platking, which is basically having a top end metal slime on your team.

Agnostic watermelon
Jul 1, 2009

I'm a lil' Brony!

Dog Toggle Switch posted:

Finally got my copy of DQ6, now I can safely say I've at least played all of the core games.

I've noticed it mentioned a couple of times, but it needs to be stated in no uncertain terms: Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker is by far and away one of the best DS games and DQ games available.
Take the battle system of DragonQuest, the monster collecting of Pokemon and the breeding/fusing of a ShinMegami game and throw it into the same graphics engine as DQ9 and you've got one of the most under-appreciated gems of the past few years.
I'd imagine it's pretty hard to find nowadays, but if you're interested in any of the games it borrows it's concepts from, you're going to love it.

Also it's auto-namer is completely pun based

Manos del Sino
Apr 12, 2004

Original Pony


Soiled Meat

spacebard posted:

Yeah, I actually got killed by some garrrgoyles

edit: I feel like I'm gaining levels too much, and I'm still getting my rear end kicked.

I just got through the area my second time trying, basically by spending some of the 12,000 gold I had been hoarding and making liberal use of consumables. It took nearly all of my MP, a dozen or more herbs, a couple amor essences, a magic water and a little luck, but I managed to defeat Murdaw. At least this time. I actually don't care for the DQ cliche of beating the boss early in the game only to have to repeat the battle near the end, but now I can move on. My characters all his level 17 before the final battle except for Ashlynn who was still <9.

This is the first DQ game where I actually am stopping to be impressed at the level design. The Towers of Mirrors were really neat, and the darkened approach to Murdaw was frustrating but rewarding to puzzle out finally.

mystery at hog island
Aug 16, 2003
Captain of Outer Space

dis astranagant posted:

One specific example of DQ7's grindiness:

Sweet holy mother of gently caress. And I thought fighting those sand golems to find the impostor in DQIX was bad

RVWinkle
Aug 24, 2004

In relating the circumstances which have led to my confinement within this refuge for the demented, I am aware that my present position will create a natural doubt of the authenticity of my narrative.

Nap Ghost

ImpAtom posted:

At last word, the Wii.

The last word on DQ X coming out on Wii was literally yesterday and these guys aren't the type to change their minds suddenly. Dragon Quest development always seems like a slow and deliberate process which sucks because we probably won't see the game in the west for at least another two years. Wii graphics are pretty mediocre these days but it's going to be downright offensive by 2013.

Agnostic watermelon
Jul 1, 2009

I'm a lil' Brony!

Manos del Sino posted:

I just got through the area my second time trying, basically by spending some of the 12,000 gold I had been hoarding and making liberal use of consumables. It took nearly all of my MP, a dozen or more herbs, a couple amor essences, a magic water and a little luck, but I managed to defeat Murdaw. At least this time. I actually don't care for the DQ cliche of beating the boss early in the game only to have to repeat the battle near the end, but now I can move on. My characters all his level 17 before the final battle except for Ashlynn who was still <9.

This is the first DQ game where I actually am stopping to be impressed at the level design. The Towers of Mirrors were really neat, and the darkened approach to Murdaw was frustrating but rewarding to puzzle out finally.

Out of curiosity did you use sap? Fighting two of the Gargoyles at once was harder for my level 14 dudes than Murdaw since he could only critical hit one person before I healed them with midheal.

Captain Vittles
Feb 12, 2008

I'm not a nerd! I'm a video game enthusiast.


Manos del Sino posted:

This is the first DQ game where I actually am stopping to be impressed at the level design.

Yeah, this game is really well put together. This translation is really good too; I get a much stronger sense of the characters, their personalities and their motivations now. I love the graphics, I love the music, I love the tactical aspects to battles, I love the job system... I all-around love this game.

Agnostic watermelon posted:

Out of curiosity did you use sap? Fighting two of the Gargoyles at once was harder for my level 14 dudes than Murdaw since he could only critical hit one person before I healed them with midheal.

Forget Sap; use Double Up. Sacrificing your own defense is no big deal when you can hit hard enough to one-shot the bastards. Just don't try it too often when there's a big group, as you'll only kill one and then get pummelled by the others if your team can't play cleanup. But the Sizzle spell those Arrghoyles fling is devastating that early in the game, so the risk is very much worth getting rid of them.

Captain Vittles fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2011 around 02:14

Manos del Sino
Apr 12, 2004

Original Pony


Soiled Meat

Agnostic watermelon posted:

Out of curiosity did you use sap? Fighting two of the Gargoyles at once was harder for my level 14 dudes than Murdaw since he could only critical hit one person before I healed them with midheal.

Yeah, I had both Ashlynn and the hero run sap on Murdaw as needed. The Grrrgoyles became manageable once I upgraded Carver to a steel sword and Milly learned Bang.

I always love the Bang spells.

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006


mystery at hog island posted:

Sweet holy mother of gently caress. And I thought fighting those sand golems to find the impostor in DQIX was bad

You also don't get access to the class system til a good 12 hours in.

LooseChanj
Feb 17, 2006

Logicaaaaaaaaal!


Manos del Sino posted:

I always love the Bang spells.

I miss infer[nos,more,most]. Hell, almost everything is renamed in DQ8 and it's retarded. The only thing I don't like about the game.

I still miss hurt/more.

Mikael Kreoss
Feb 13, 2011

by Fistgrrl


Dog Toggle Switch posted:

Finally got my copy of DQ6, now I can safely say I've at least played all of the core games.

I've noticed it mentioned a couple of times, but it needs to be stated in no uncertain terms: Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker is by far and away one of the best DS games and DQ games available.
Take the battle system of DragonQuest, the monster collecting of Pokemon and the breeding/fusing of a ShinMegami game and throw it into the same graphics engine as DQ9 and you've got one of the most under-appreciated gems of the past few years.
I'd imagine it's pretty hard to find nowadays, but if you're interested in any of the games it borrows it's concepts from, you're going to love it.

Now go play the Dragon Warrior Monsters games for the Gameboy Color. I liked Joker, but DWM1/2 were on a whole new level of amazing and have aged surprisingly well.

Dog Toggle Switch
May 16, 2006



Mikael Kreoss posted:

Now go play the Dragon Warrior Monsters games for the Gameboy Color. I liked Joker, but DWM1/2 were on a whole new level of amazing and have aged surprisingly well.

What do you think it was that lead me to buying DQM: Joker in the first place
I loved the original DQM games, especially with their rogue-like, randomly generated levels and encounters, but on a whole, Joker just really tied everything together in a more comprehensive package. All the systems were there and refined to a greater degree, plus the fully 3d rendered monsters and environments really gave you a great sense of scale and wonder that even the more wildly successful pokemon games have yet to fully realize.

Genpei Turtle
Jul 20, 2007



dis astranagant posted:

One specific example of DQ7's grindiness: the fastest way to get into the Hero class (the all-rounder advanced class the game hypes up in several places, the requirements of which are mastering any 3 intermediate or advanced classes) requires you to master the warrior, fighter, cleric, paladin, dragoon and godhand classes (and godhand has better skills anyway). That takes 1075 battles (more if you accidentally hit an area's level cap on the way up, which prevents you from leveling classes there) plus another 200 to master it. The summoner class takes 1435 to get into and another 250 to master. Note that both of those assume you started right out going straight for those classes. Then there's the monster classes, which require a monster heart to get into (megarare drops (a couple can only be gotten this way and are needed for the top end classes) or hours of playing lucky panel in the casino) and then have their own hierarchy to go through to get the best ones, culminating in platking, which is basically having a top end metal slime on your team.

DQ6's job system was great--it was balanced just so that by the time you got to the end of the game your main was probably a Hero and everyone else had mastered one or maybe two advanced classes. DQ7 took that and went way too far with it. The balance was still OK since the game was so (too) long but it was decidedly too much of a good thing.

U.T. Raptor
May 11, 2010

Are you a pack of imbeciles!?


dis astranagant posted:

Port 7 and halve or quarter the amount of battles needed to level classes and we're in business. Maybe double how much xp and gold you get, too.
Even out the difficulty too, so every 4th boss or so isn't unnecessarily hard.

Gracos!

Terpfen
Jul 27, 2006
Objection!



IGNís Dragon Quest VI review is up. Summary: "Itís old so it sux lol.Ē Ironically, they post this review on the same day that they dig up their review of The Legend of Zelda GBA Classic port. Not a remake, a straight-up port. And it scored a full point better than the remade DQ6.

This is why we canít have nice things.

Terpfen fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2011 around 05:09

Manos del Sino
Apr 12, 2004

Original Pony


Soiled Meat

Please tell me that you are supposed to die during the second round of the second fight with Murdaw, because I'm going to be very disappointed otherwise.

Agnostic watermelon
Jul 1, 2009

I'm a lil' Brony!

Manos del Sino posted:

Please tell me that you are supposed to die during the second round of the second fight with Murdaw, because I'm going to be very disappointed otherwise.

Considering I lost to him like 3 times, I don't think so .


Seriously what is up with him? the only one who can do any significant damage to him is carver with knuckle sandwich. Not to mention he loves using icy breath and lightning in the same turn.

sethsez
Jul 13, 2006

He's soooo
dreamy...


Terpfen posted:

IGNís Dragon Quest VI review is up. Summary: "Itís old so it sux lol.Ē Ironically, they post this review on the same day that they dig up their review of The Legend of Zelda GBA Classic port. Not a remake, a straight-up port. And it scored a full point better than the remade DQ6.

This is why we canít have nice things.

I can kind of see the argument that it isn't as good as IV or V, but he doesn't even try to make a case for it, he just states it and moves on.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010



Not a very big fan of the main series, always felt it was a bit draggy with too much grinding. Dragon Quest/Warrior Monsters on the other hand were two delightful games. The breeding system takes the Pokemon recipe and churns it into something continuously exciting. You'll never have to chuck your old monster into a virtual box because he's not useful anymore. Just mate him with another useless monster and you'll have a new, more powerful monster

Didn't really find Joker to be as fun. Made about halfway through the game, it was in dire need of a ridiculous 'rescue the kingdom' plot. Maybe I'll give it a try again soon.

Terpfen
Jul 27, 2006
Objection!



sethsez posted:

I can kind of see the argument that it isn't as good as IV or V, but he doesn't even try to make a case for it, he just states it and moves on.

Thatís still not a very good reason or even argument for slapping it with a 7.

The irony is that I think a 7 would be a fair score if reviewers actually used the full 1-10 scale. Instead, they use the scale like high school grades, where 7 is average, rather than 5 being average like it should be. Instead, a 7 is more or less the kiss of death.

Vegetable posted:

Not a very big fan of the main series, always felt it was a bit draggy with too much grinding.

Depends on the game. The early ones and VII are built entirely around grind. IV, V, VI, and VIII you can get through without grinding at all. IX is a hybrid: you donít really have to grind to beat the main story, but the postgame is one gigantic unending grind.

Terpfen fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2011 around 07:25

Manos del Sino
Apr 12, 2004

Original Pony


Soiled Meat

Ah yes, gambling.

I just spent the last 90 minutes raising a pot of ~70,000 tokens at the casino and now my duders are much better equipped for the fight with Murdaw.

Are there more casinos or should I just buy a grip of Yggdrasil Leaves?


edit: That fight went much better this time around.

Manos del Sino fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2011 around 09:00

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Genpei Turtle posted:

Or better yet, the SFC version. (Is there a translation patch for that?)

http://www.dqtranslations.com/ these guys did it.


Also, how are you guys making so much cash in the DQ6 casino?

I keep losing flat out and never make anything in the slots. Poker I make slightly more, but since I don't really know how to play Poker I lose there too...

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010



Terpfen posted:

IGNís Dragon Quest VI review is up. Summary: "Itís old so it sux lol.Ē

Actually, the way you phrased it, I expected something horrible typical of IGN. That was in fact pretty tame and mostly honest. Not everyone is going to enjoy DQVI and it's in fact not as good as DQV, which is what the reviewer based its score on.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Saoshyant posted:

Actually, the way you phrased it, I expected something horrible typical of IGN. That was in fact pretty tame and mostly honest. Not everyone is going to enjoy DQVI and it's in fact not as good as DQV, which is what the reviewer based its score on.

There's also the fact that DQ9 came out a year ago...which had superior graphics and a better engine, especially for the overworld. That's gotta taint a few viewpoints.

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Mountaineer
Aug 29, 2008

Imagine a rod breaking on a robot face - forever

Manos del Sino posted:

Ah yes, gambling.

I just spent the last 90 minutes raising a pot of ~70,000 tokens at the casino and now my duders are much better equipped for the fight with Murdaw.

Are there more casinos or should I just buy a grip of Yggdrasil Leaves?


edit: That fight went much better this time around.

Too bad every character can't equipment the Platinum Mail and Dragon Shield. They render the Hero and Carver darn near invincible for a good bit of the story.

If I remember correctly, the casinos in this game are like DQVII where you encounter more of them later on, and they have different reward items.

e: If you need money, get some of the tuxedos. They only take 500 tokens and sell for almost 3000 gold. Maybe another item has a better token-to-gold ratio, but these have served me well enough so far.

Mountaineer fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2011 around 12:25

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