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Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Dragon Quest III had an SNES remake. Surprised people were saying there was none.

True that it never came out here (and never will), but it a fan-patch was made recently by http://www.dqtranslations.com/projects.

So if you wanted, you can play the Dq3 remake after all. I seriously doubt it'll be remade on the 3ds or any other system; it wouldn't be good business to make 3 after you just made 9 and 6. I suspect 6 will not do very well, either--the engine goes BACKWARDS from 9 and feels clunky as a result.

So this means we have our 15 year old SNES remake or nothing.

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Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Time for some Dragon Quest memorabilia from the Square store in Tokyo:















Mister Roboto fucked around with this message at Feb 18, 2011 around 01:40

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Terpfen posted:

Overpriced as hell and I DONíT CARE. Do want.

Next time I'm around Tokyo center I'll buy ya one, if you want.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Terpfen posted:

drat. Now thatís just cheating.

And looking at that King Metal Slime reminds me of when Square-Enix was getting ready to release DQ8 in the US. They had some mail-in promotion for IIRC keychainsÖ and I never got one.

Yeah, S-E does those promotions for new games every few years. I managed to snag a lot of the FF ones during the last promo.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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NOT HOME...

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WITH MY
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TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Genpei Turtle posted:

Curling? In DQVI?

That's gotta be a DS-only addition.

It is. It's just a mini-game.

So far I've only seen one minigame in Dq6, and it didn't have any prizes for winning...maybe later in the game it will. I'm only 3 hours in.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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THING IN THE WORLD,
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...AND I
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WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Speedboat Jones posted:

Am I missing out on any easter eggs or story stuff if I play 6 before 4 and 5?

If you can stand the slight de-evolution back to 4, then...I would actually say that IS the order to play them in. Once you get to the end of 5, you'll see what I mean.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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TWO OF THEM
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Genpei Turtle posted:

Or better yet, the SFC version. (Is there a translation patch for that?)

http://www.dqtranslations.com/ these guys did it.


Also, how are you guys making so much cash in the DQ6 casino?

I keep losing flat out and never make anything in the slots. Poker I make slightly more, but since I don't really know how to play Poker I lose there too...

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Saoshyant posted:

Actually, the way you phrased it, I expected something horrible typical of IGN. That was in fact pretty tame and mostly honest. Not everyone is going to enjoy DQVI and it's in fact not as good as DQV, which is what the reviewer based its score on.

There's also the fact that DQ9 came out a year ago...which had superior graphics and a better engine, especially for the overworld. That's gotta taint a few viewpoints.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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n0manarmy posted:

Dragon Quest 7 took me 3 years to beat. I printed out the 300+ page walk through from gamefaqs and picked it up and put it down more times than any other game. It was god awful long but in the end, worth it.

I wonder if they'll remake it for the 3ds.

That might fill a lot of Japanese subway rides.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Manos del Sino posted:

I went to close my DS screen a couple days back and the case and a hinge cracked, and now my top screen is all flaccid and floppy. That's pretty lame.

I managed to temporarily fix mine with some crazy glue and some applied pressure with a wrench (to get the plastic to hold in place). Try that.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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ParagonParadox27 posted:

Life-long Dragon Warrior fan here, needing advice on which to play first: DQ6 DS or DQ9. Played about an hour of each, but have never finished either. Love 1-5, though, with graduating levels of love with each progressive title. Can't do DQ7 or 8 at work, but have those planned as well. So, back to the DS titles, which should I do first, is 9 that much better than 6 that I should definitely do it first, or would doing 6 first be better?

9 is a more polished version of 6. 6 feels like a step back in quality for me, especially as I just got off playing 9.

They really should've done more with 6, but oh well.

I'd play 6 first.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Billy Black posted:

-Something about monsters joining your party? This sounds very exciting to me. Is it as good as it sounds, or is it filler content?

-On that same note, the Dragon Quest Monster games sound even more exciting to me, for the same reason I love Pokemon. Should I really start that series with the GBC games, or is starting with the DS one (DQM:Joker) fine?

-When people talk about Party Chat, are they referring to when I hit the X or Y button? I'm assuming it gets more interesting when I have more party members than some little girl.

-What's up with the DQ/DW thing? Is it like Final Fantasy III/VI, where it was a localization thing, or is there more to it?

-Monsters can be recruited in several DQ games. Dq5 basically started allowing you to beat monsters up and then they join you due to certain abilities that are gained later on.

Dq6 removes this partially, now the only creatures that are recruitable are encountered at specific times in-game, so there's no randomness like DQ5 had.

-The DQ monster series is a combo of, well, DQ monsters and Pokemon. I wouldn't play the old GBC ones unless you REALLY like old-school gaming. You may want to play the DS ones for more updated graphics and engines. Cute note: Dragon Quest Monsters 1 for the Game Boy Color is a prequel to DQ6, though story was never a huge factor for the DQ series. The DS DQM: JOKER series is a side story with no real relevance to the main series' storyline.


-Party chat just allows your characters to make little quips about the situation. Personally, I find them a bit bland as they obviously had to write a looooooot of dialogue, but here and there they add hints and clues of where to go.


-It's a localization thing. Dragon Quest was called Dragon Warrior in the 90s for the first 4 Nes games. Only recently did it switch back to Dragon Quest.


Also, you may want to consider getting Dragon Quest 4 before playing 5 and 6, just to see how the series evolved over time. 4 is more primitive, than the others by far, especially as it has no party chat.

Storyline wise, the games are very loosely connected; you can do fine playing them on their own. If you want to play them in storyline order, technically it would go 6-4-5.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Technically, there's no "now" as this is the first official release of DQ6; most of those names are fan-names. Outside of the DQ Monster ones, that is.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Man, the music is pretty awful in this edition. Not that DQ was ever Uematsu, but even the early NES tunes were more...tuneful than some of these.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Billy Black posted:

I've been playing DQV, and I'm loving the music so far. Even the ridiculously long "you gained a new party member" jingle makes me laugh. I don't know if it's intentionally ridiculous, but I love it either way.

Dq6's is pretty poor quality for whatever reason. Oh well, still a good game.


Also, if anyone wants to see their favorite DQ heroes in full animated glory, check out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlya...feature=related

Dragon Quest Monsters Battle Road Victory has scenes with pretty much each major hero from the game in Final Fantasy style ultimate attack cutscene mode.

Mister Roboto fucked around with this message at Mar 5, 2011 around 11:55

Mister Roboto
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Terpfen posted:

Since when is Uematsu some genius of melodic composition and sample quality?

Regardless of your personal feelings towards his work, he has international recognition OUTSIDE of just nerds, a range from opera singers to rock bands performing the material, and multiple symphonic concerts every few months in different countries. This would generally indicate a sign of success.

Koichi Sugiyama doesn't even remotely have the same level of recognition worldwide. Back in the 90s, he did do early video game music concerts, which is cool, especially as I liked his early material. As a result, he has some some recorded symphonic suites, but the first ever showing outside of Japan was 2005. There hasn't really been much since then.

And yes, yes, Britney Spears, popularity doesn't mean it's good, etc, we all know music is subjective. But to seriously think Uematsu has no talent and not a single song out of the 200+ he's composed is amazing, that's trying a bit too hard to be contrarian.

Besides, I wasn't saying that all DQ music is bad, I quite liked the early simple tunes on the NES. The DQ1 overworld (and its DQ3 remix) was a very nice arrangement and very pleasant to listen to. But recently? Nothing in the past decade has been notable.

Mister Roboto fucked around with this message at Mar 5, 2011 around 14:24

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Adam Bowen posted:

I haven't finished 6 yet so maybe there's something to tie it all together that I haven't seen, but I'd hardly call 4, 5, and 6 a trilogy. I know there's a theme with the sky castle, but the worlds don't seem directly connected otherwise, and certainly not in the same sense as the first trilogy.

They are a loose trilogy. Not as close as the first, but there are minor links that indicate the timeline of the Zenithia trilogy. Wait until you beat the game.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Chronojam posted:

I can see 4, 6, and 9 online for $30 or less from a variety of legit places. But, I can't find 5 anywhere for a reasonable price, not even from sketchy looking sellers. Maybe the local GameStop would have it

I think it's still at my local one. Maybe I can help you out?

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Fire posted:

I don't get why this is such a popular series, the graphics are behind the curve, the gameplay is an artifact of the worst of the old school days and isn't fun, and the plot is juvenile and trite. I had the misfortune of playing dragon quest VII and I really really tried to give it a chance even though my first impression, seeing people walking in place for no reason and spending 30 hours trying to get to the part where you can change you class, I couldn't bear it any longer and I normally like jRPGs. Why do people like playing this? Final Fantasy on its worst days is better.

Part of DQ's appeal IS that lack of innovations. Look in any FF thread, and some people are constantly, constantly saying the SNES days of 16 bit sprites are the best. Others disagree, but there's clearly a market.

So DQ is for that crowd who grew up on those games and like them in their old-school style and don't want flashy cutscenes and detailed rendered backgrounds and visuals.

I'm not saying it's better or worse, just why people like it.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Adam Bowen posted:

Walking in a straight line, pressing X once every couple of minutes, and watching more cutscenes than there are battles isn't everyone's idea of fun. Nor is playing games full of whiny emo shitheads and pretentious storylines that read like they were written by a 15 year old who just graduated from tween to young adult books.

Calm down, man, it's cool to not like FF. You don't have to remind everyone for a full decade.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Captain Vittles posted:

My recommendation, if you truly want to see why people love these games, is to start with the first game and work your way up. See the kinds of genre innovations this series made before the first FF game even existed; the DQ series was up to its third installment in Japan before FF was made.

Jesus, no, DQ1 is objectively terrible. I like the DQ series but 1 is so old and archaic it's basically like an early DOS Ultima game. I don't even remember DOS anymore, I wasn't born yet, but I've emulated a lot. That'd be like telling someone to try FF1 to get into the theme of the FF series. They'd be turned off it forever.

FF1 came out after DQ2, so it tried the job thing before DQ3. Then DQ3 refined it further, and so back and forth until we have the current standards.

The Dragon Quests for the DS are probably the best place to start with the series. Probably 5 has the best combo of storyline/engine.

Mister Roboto fucked around with this message at Mar 13, 2011 around 05:52

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Mikael Kreoss posted:

Of course it's objectively terrible by today's standards. It's a goddamned NES game. We've had a long-rear end time to improve on the formula.

That's why I was saying not to start with it, because that would turn anyone off the series.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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DQ does have that early-RPG sense of openness, but the games are always structured with that formula since the NES days.

-Stuck on one continent
-Get way to travel, boat, bird, etc. (airships were FF's domain).
-Barrier to way to travel
-Get super-powerful way to travel
-Final Dungeon areas

This has been the DQ directing for every single one to different degrees.

This was also the Final Fantasy formula up to about 10.

It's pretty obvious that they deliberately tried to try new rpg conventions with the FF series while the DQ series deliberately did not stray from the path. Which is fine, they are marketed towards different audiences. I mean, the NES rpg conventions still sell--see Pokemon, which uses pretty much the same world-exploring pacing.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Dragon Quest 6 always bothered me with the plot threads they just flat out forgot about. They put effort into most of them, but others just fell by the wayside. Mainly it was those related to Milly.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Is anyone here still looking for DQ5? I found someone selling it.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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You know what's funny about DQ9? A major plot point (established in the start) is that angels can't attack their superiors.

Ok, cool...but, then, who exactly are the 3 other party members, and why are they bound by the same law?

It just occurred to me that Dq9's story, for all intents, is written for just one player. The other 3 party members have zero impact on the story.

It's DQ1 with extra meatshields.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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PhilintheBlank posted:

i just got a DS. should i play 4,5,6 or 9? I've played 8 for the PS2 but no other game from the series...

Do you like old-school top-down, Final Fantasy on SNES style rpgs? Then do them chronologically, 4, 5, 6. Most people say 5 has the best story, but, really, you don't play DQ for story, you play it for the old school rpg flavor.

9 is a little more modern in its design, so if you played that first you'd probably not like the earlier ones as much as they use the older engines.

If you don't like old school rpgs, just go straight to 9. But I think the earlier ones have their own merits, especially if you want to see the evolution of the series.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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AbberantBehavior posted:

I was recently injured at work, leaving me with about 60 days of "at home" time. I'm about to play through 4, 5, 6 on DS and then 8 on PS2 before going back to 9 on DS. I've never played any DQ's before for various reasons (time constraints mostly) but have played through a fair amount of RPG's. My cousin is the one loaning me the games and highly suggested I use guides he has for them, stating that they are a whole different beast from other FF's and whatnot.

I guess my question is, is it advisable to make use of them or would it be better to experience them blind with no prior exposure to the series?

I suggest you go into them blind and ask for questions here. I'm sure everyone here would be happy to give non-spoilered hints and help to guide you.

I suggest you definitely do them in that order, too, to see how the engine evolves.

They are a VERY oldschool rpg experience. They're town-dungeon-grind-boss-town-repeat. I like them, and I also like Final Fantasy, and they are different. FF has way more emphasis on a big arcing story and established villains, DQ is much more about fixing little problems each town has.

Hope you recover fast from whatever injury you have!

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
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WITH MY
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Also, can anyone help me with the Dragon Quest 3 SNES translation patch?

http://www.dqtranslations.com/

I really would like to play it on DS.

However, it simply won't work, no matter what is tried. The DS SNES emulators will play the Japanese version, but not the patched version.

According to the translators:

http://www.dqtranslations.com/forum...-got-working-ds

"The ROM is too big to work via SNES emulation on the DS. Generally, ROMS bigger than 4MB won't work because of the hardware limitations of the DS. You can run DQ5, DQ1+2 and Torneko no Daibouken just fine though. That's also the reason you won't see Slot-1 emulation of GBA games even though the DS can handle them natively in Slot 2."


Can anyone think of a way around that limitation?

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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AbberantBehavior posted:

Awesome, thanks. First 1-2 hours have been pretty cool so far, working my way through chapter two now. I already have a question though, inventory space was boning me pretty hard until I discovered the seemingly endless bag. I noticed that it is now empty again in the second chapter, did I lose any of the junk I had already thrown in there?

Also, is there a quick and easy way to stack items or is having an NPC reorganize for you the only way to do it. Herbs are killing me, how ironic.

You'll get access to the items later.

The bag re-organizing is a holdover from the primitive NES days. The NPC organizing is pretty much the only efficient way.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Alpha Kenny Juan posted:

I'll settle for a slime plush.

I picked up a bunch of plushes from the S-E store HQ in Tokyo, including FF ones like Moogles...but I sold/gave away all the DQ ones. Sorry bro.

But if you have a genuine interest in buying/trading, maybe on my next visit I can pick up one?

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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Action Jacktion posted:

I wonder if party members with a single player will be generic like in IX or if they'll be specific characters with personalities. I guess they could have optional characters who you'd only take if you were playing by yourself, but it seems like there couldn't be any important story events that depended on them being in your party, in case you were playing with other real people. Maybe they'll have some way of doing it. I just like characters with personalities.

The best part about DQ9's party is that IN-STORY you were alone, so the other 3 really were just nonexistent other-universe visitors. Sort of Meta.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

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WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Super Ninja Fish posted:

Are MMORPGs really popular in Japan or something?

MMORPGS are really popular throughout the world. That's just the reality of the new game market.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Terpfen posted:

FF12I is the exception, not the rule. The entire concept of the International editions began with FF7 International, where the bugfixes and bonus content from the US version were brought back to Japan.

Yeah, sometimes you get an FF12I or a KHFM, but for the most part, you're already playing the International edition.

FFX and FFX-2's international versions had definite, noticeable improvements.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Draile posted:

DQ1 is remarkably open-ended; it feels more like an Ultima game than an early JRPG.

Haha, about that comparison...

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Stick Figure Mafia posted:

My girlfriend got a 3DS, so I've been using her old DS now to catch up on all the Dragon Quest games I missed. I've purchased V, but was wondering if IX is a good solo game at all, or if I would be better off just purchasing two copies for me and her to play with.

9 was DESIGNED to be a party game, so you may have to pony up...I played it single player, but it definitely felt lacking. Also in the plot, since it was obvious that the extra party members may as well have been ghosts since they were never intended to matter.

In a way, Dq9 is like Dq1.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

BGrifter posted:

It's *the* perfect "watching a TV show and want something to grind" game

I've always found that this is a poor reason to play a game; shouldn't it be immersive rather than passively barely registering?

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

BGrifter posted:

As I said, likely a difference of personal taste. I love games with a wide variety of things to do and acquire that sometimes take my undivided attention and at others can be played during commerical breaks/on the bus/while half-watching the evening news on TV. I liked MMOs for a lot of years for much the same reason.

Well, to each their own.

I really just don't enjoy dividing my attention between games/other activities; it makes me as a waste of time--why do it if you're not actually paying attention to what you're doing? It's like studying while out with friends or texting the whole time on a date, you're not really putting 100% into either so the outcome is sort of lacking for both.

I don't really like grinding much either, though. This is why I liked DQ as a little kid but nowadays find grinding to be a waste of time. Hence why I like FF, while you CAN grind, they're designed nowadays to be way more fluid in their difficulty stacking.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

BGrifter posted:

It's probably why Square-Enix have split the franchises the way they have. I've hated the direction the Final Fantasy games have gone for years, FFX is one of the worst games I've ever played. The only main series Final Fantasy title I enjoyed in recent years was the MMO FFXI.

Now that I think on it FFXI and DQ9 have a lot in common.

That's probably it. I personally see grinding as a waste of time. Like, 10 mins of fighting neat and weird monsters, that's cool to watch, but 90 minutes of that? Man, that's not stimulating my brain. To each their own, of course.

The FF games and the DQ games have very, very different design philosophies. DQ has kept its formula almost the same for the entire series, town-grind-town dungeon-next town. Arguably this is the basis for all jRPGs, but FF has definitely tried to shake it up with the various worldbuilding focus ever since the FFX days. Some people screamed their lungs bloody that FF13 had only two towns and you spent hours with Sazh and Vanille just talking, but to me, that's actually something different than the norm.

DQ's stories are simple and usually have very little to do with the overarching plots, i.e. the little towns with the usual mayor's daughter being sacrificed or whatever. FF, on the other hand, aims to have consistent worldbuilding and make everything grandiose and interconnected.

Neither is perfectly done, but I can definitely see why some people prefer one to the other.

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Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

BGrifter posted:

Yeah, we're pretty much opposite sides of the RPG-fan coin. I felt like the FF series abandoned interesting gameplay ages ago in favor of becoming lousy "interactive movies". If the characters grab me that can be tolerable, but in the case of FFX as an example I loathed pretty much every single character they introduced. More recent games have done little to change that trend, so we end up with a story-driven game full of people I wish death and misery on. It doesn't work very well.

Dragon Quest on the other hand keeps the stories simple and unoffensive, same could be said of the other two DS franchises I mentioned Etrian Odyssey and Pokemon. They contain enough of a plot to tie things together, but the focus is the gameplay mechanics.

Out of curiosity did you enjoy titles like Diablo II or Torchlight? The former is one of my favorite games of all time and the latter I've just started but love so far. D2 is pretty much the ultimate grindy loot-hunting game and I've not gone a year without playing it since buying D2 Classic at launch.

Never played either, but I didn't like Diablo 1 at all. It was just clickclickclick. Of course, I was like 8, so maybe I am misremembering a bit...

In any case, yeah, DQ has never really been about characterization--and this is not necessarily a bad thing (or good). It's just a thing it does. FF tries to create people with real histories and personalities and flaws and differences, and it works. When I say works I do not mean everyone likes them, because man do people love to rant about which FF character they hate. If anything, people hating them SHOWS that FF's formula works in creating characters that are 'real' enough to dislike.

No one dislikes any DQ characters. For that matter, no one really likes them either. No, put your hand down, no you don't--you like their great, distinctive, Toriyama designs and the fun you had playing them, but really almost all DQ characters are barely more than blank slates and from that point on it's all in your imagination. They're like early SNES FF characters. In fact, I'd put good money that people who love DQ now are also the types to say they only like early <SNES era FFs.

Again, this is not a BAD thing, it's just a different narrative tool.

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