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ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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I bought DQ7 on the midnight of its release and I'm really enjoying it so far! My favorite thing so far (since I still don't have jobs) is that it provides that feeling of power that only Dragon Quest is able to do-- you feel the power that comes with new equipment or a level up. It's hard to put into words but anyone who has played a single Dragon Quest game knows what I'm talking about.

That said, my favorite Dragon Quest, or really my favorite game of all time, is still Dragon Quest 8. I don't even want to know how many hours I put into that game, but I have three whole playthroughs that went enough into the bonus boss to get all the equipment, while alchemizing religiously. It has, hands down, the best party in any RPG. The skill system works better than the job system because it makes every character feel truly unique. And while everyone has their role in the party, they all feel multifaceted, and just changing skill emphasis can completely change the game. It's to the point where I didn't really care that the 3DS version had new characters because I don't think I've ever played a game besides this where every character feels versatile and complete. Also the world map, the graphics, the gameplay, even the story, while admittedly simple, are all perfect.

I'll write some big long autistic effort post about all kinds of cool stuff in the game once we get closer to the 3DS release, but suffice it to say I'm loving hyped.

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ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Your Computer posted:

Absolutely fantastic, I'll see about checking out some of those. Thanks everyone!

I grew up with Final Fantasy IV, V, VI, Breath of Fire 1 and 2, Chrono Trigger, Lufia, etc. but Dragon Quest just wasn't a 'thing' here (also I never had a PlayStation). Are the DS remakes the "go to" versions of the mentioned games?

The DS versions reduce tedium, and, in the case of IV and V, add substantial new content. For example, V has a whole new bride for you to choose, who is also the best wife.

e: All three games have lightning fast gameplay. So much that I can guarantee any RPG you play after will feel at best sluggish.

ROFL Octopus fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Sep 24, 2016

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Hokuto posted:

Is the 3DS remake of DQ8 going to allow for skill point reallotment? That was my biggest gripe with the original DQ8, the scattering of relatively dead-end talent trees and the inability to commit to something else in the late game unless you wanted to grind skill point boosting item drops from enemies.

Afaik, unfortunately no, BUT you can elect to stockpile points.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Dr. Fetus posted:

I unlocked some tablet dungeons, and I happened to get something called a Slime Heart. What is that used for?

I'm sure you know there are classes in this game. Basically Hearts are things that'll drop in tablet dungeons, among other places. When you unlock classes, have that in your desired character's inventory and they can take that monster as a class. There's more to it, but that's the gist.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Oh and I should mention that skills and magic from intermediate and higher classes don't transfer when you change class, but skills and spells from monster classes do!

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Pretty much the only thing you need to know about dragon quest is to use all the tools given to you. Use buffs and debuffs, use those spells that are useless in other games. Instant death is shockingly effective. Quite a few bosses can be inflicted with status effects. These guys know what they're doing, so don't worry about optimizing (but feel free to!) and have fun.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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In Training posted:

I think the only DQ that I thought was hard to beat was VI, but maybe I was just dumb.

I think that DQ games just have a hard part or two each game, like Dhoulmagus in 8 and the whole Alltrades Abbey dealio in 7.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Truspeaker posted:

So I wasn't getting any hearts at all from anything but slimes in the tablets. Literally hundreds of battles, no hearts. I saved, then fully closed the game and reopened it and now Ive gotten 4 birdy hearts in 15 battles. Like, maybe its confirmation bias, but I haven't played anything else on my 3ds since I got to alltrades at least, and saving and quitting is literally the only thing I did to change things, and now monsters drop hearts again. I would love to know if someone else having that problem can fix it that way too.

I am very excited that its fixed for me but so, so put off that I wasted so much time.

Well did you unlock classes? You at least grinded those. :unsmith:

If not, goondolences.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Another great thing about hearts dropping much more frequently in tablets is it gives you a great source of income. Slime hearts sell for only 200 g but when you're bringing back like 30 a trip it adds up fast.

Not that it's gonna change how I play cause job grinding is so addictive but how necessary/helpful is mastering as many jobs as possible for the postgame dungeon?

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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I've been using Lightning (level 8 sailor skill) and I'm wondering-- does it ever taper off? It's a free, hit all attack that's stronger than my iron ax, and it doesn't diminish in damage like a boomerang does. It just seems really really good right now.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Alxprit posted:

It tapers off. If the enemy resists it, it's only doing 30 damage. Eventually they start getting way more HP too. It's useful for a good while, but you'll have to invest in new options as you progress.

Oh ok thanks. I'm just glad I don't have to regret selling Ruff and the Hero's rangs. :shobon:

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Zore posted:

Basically all magic and most skills have a set range of damage. Your regular attacks will start outdamaging it soonish though its great for clearing groups for no MP for the midgame.

Gotcha. I've put way, way, way more time into Dragon Quest 8 than into the rest of the series combined (or hell, any other RPG) and the skill systems are pretty fundamentally different. Powerful, but only temporarily so, skills isn't something I'm used to!

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Son of a Vondruke! posted:

It tapers off, but if you've got a Pirate or Paladin you learn Thin Air. It's like an upgraded wind element version of Lightning.

Well I remember Thin Air from Dragon Quest 8 (broken record much?) and it was absolutely ridiculous, so I'm looking forward to more of that.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Your Computer posted:

I'm looking at the DS remakes now and I love the art style! It reminds me a bit of Golden Sun (which I know gets a bad rep around SA) with it's watercolor-y and vibrant colors. I've played a little bit of several games now and liked all of them so I think I might actually just go through the games chronologically (unless there's a better order to play them in!) I can't believe how this series has gone so completely under the radar for me before now.

The best part about the DS remakes is that they have possibly the fastest battles in any RPG, ever.

e: And yeah just play them in release order. If anything, you gotta play the DS versions of IV, V, and VI, as well as the 3DS version of VII, but in general DQ remakes are really substantial and good.

ROFL Octopus fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Sep 30, 2016

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Dr. Fetus posted:

I spent way more time on the matching game in the casino than I meant to. Anyways, I got to Alltrades Abbey and I was wondering what would be some good starting vocations for my party? I was thinking Warrior for the hero, Mage for Maribel. Not sure on what Ruff should be.

EDIT: WHAT THE gently caress!? :argh:

Yes, excellent :munch:

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Dr. Fetus posted:

I have to go through an arena now? :argh: At least I have my abilities back. DQ7 sure loves being a tease.

When I beat the arena the only character I had left was Ruff with 1 hp :magical:

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Soul Glo posted:

I've never played a DQ game. I have a 3DS-- is the DS version of 9 or is 7 the best jumping in point?

I don't have a PS2.

You might want to wait for the 3DS version of 8, but if you're impatient to get into a kickass series, yeah go for 4 or 5. 9 is good but imo you get more out of it the more you've experienced the series.

7 is drat good and might be my second or third favorite right now but it's fuckhuge so if you don't go in knowing you love the series you might be in trouble.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Your Computer posted:

Two DQVII questions:

1) Are there pictures of the different jobs somewhere? The most important thing when picking a class in an RPG is how it looks :colbert:
2) How far into the game and for how long does Maribel leave?

I'm still working my way through the series so it's gonna be a while until I get back to VII, but one of my main gripes about the series is still character design.. I guess aesthetics is more important to my enjoyment of JRPGs than I thought.

I'm gonna use this point to again shill DQ8 but then what can you do. :smug: If all you care about is character design then there's nothing left for you.

Seriously though, DQ8 is designed by a bunch of old dudes who were determined to make the best posse ever.

ROFL Octopus fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Oct 2, 2016

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Your Computer posted:

I just think it's harder to get immersed when I don't like my characters' designs, probably. I hear he's the best character, but I just can't get past the design of Ruff. I was hoping some of the costumes jobs change the designs enough for me to appreciate them :downs:

Imo 7's MC looks pretty dumb in his default outfit, but he actually looks pretty cool in martial artist or gladiator, for example.

e: Also some jobs give Ruff's wolf a costume too :3:

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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BisterdDave posted:

At a quick glance it looked like changing classes would take away stats from the characters that I was otherwise already happy with.

You gain permanent abilities and as has been established in this thread, any jobs beyond the basic ones give permanent stat increases when mastered. Jobs are pretty much the core mechanic of the game lmao.

ROFL Octopus fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Oct 2, 2016

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Levantine posted:

I had forgotten how everyone in DQVII is a giant rear end in a top hat. It's hard to feel bad for main dude because he's basically mute but everyone he knows is so lovely. You meet so man lovely people on the adventure. It's almost like the game hates the player? I dunno.

The remake is pretty good though, if kind of laggy. I get tons of input lag and the frame rate tanks pretty often.

How could you say that about Ruff :(

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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CharlestheHammer posted:

I did it without either of those things. It wasn't hard.

I bet it was even less fun too.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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The frustrating thing about Alltrades is that the scenario is epic as hell but you just want those fuckin' jobs.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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YggiDee posted:

Is there a way to figure out what mini medals you missed without retracing the entire game systematically checking every single pot, closet, and barrel? :suicide:

There's some that are invisible on the ground :shepicide:

Afaik the only thing way is to check a list. Here's one if you need it: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/688276-dragon-quest-vii-fragments-of-the-forgotten-past/74326503

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Looper posted:

I'm glad Sir Mervyn still joins with zero job experience after the rest of your party has probably mastered at least a couple

Good to know my time was well-spent :negative:

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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CuddlyZombie posted:

I'm considering picking up the DQ7 remake, but I see that there are time-limited distribution events with their own exclusive monsters and items, some of which I've already missed. Do people have any idea if it is likely that these will cycle around? What was the situation in the Japanese release?

You don't really need to worry about that. I'm almost certain they'll rotate around since that's what people are saying here, but even so it's nothing substantial like DQ9. They don't give exclusive items or monsters, rather they give you premade dungeons that otherwise you could make yourself or receive from other people.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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This is for all Dragon Quests friendo. Plus I think it's pretty pointless to have a new thread since Builders is a spinoff of a series that's already pretty niche in the west.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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irlZaphod posted:

In the past few weeks I've bought VII, along with V and VI (I've had IV since it was released) :v:. Oh, and I bought Heroes a few months ago because I discovered the joys of Mousou games.

My only exposure to Mousou games besides DQ Heroes is Hyrule Heroes but DQ Heroes is definitely the better game.

I'm hoping and praying for a western release of DQ Heroes 2 because it has my dude Angelo. :negative:

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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JustJeff88 posted:

Speaking of Heroes, what's the difference between the Day One Slime Weapons and the Digital Slime Pack for the PS4 version? I just bought a copy used that had the Day One DLC included, but I saw this little bundle for $5 on the PS store. From the look of it, that bundle has all of the day one content and some more stuff, but I'm not sure. I know that the Slime weapons are early-game weapons that don't last long, but I'm keen to collect stuff.

The day one edition has only a few iirc. Nothing you can't get through DLC. One, whether you have the day one edition or not, you have to have PS+ for (Maya's fans). So yes, just buy the pack cause it's the only way to get the complete set anyway.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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RedRupee posted:

The game would crash when initiating the fight with Orochi for the first time.

Still no word on DQ2 which crashes when clearing a fight with two or more monsters.

Apparently most of the iOS problems have come about from recent language updates. It's just a shame they hadn't been fixed sooner.

I mean it sucks for people that paid for it, but isn't DQ2 considered to be the worst Dragon Quest by a country mile? This is just another reason not to play it.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Looper posted:

Aishe joins at level 21 with Dancer mastered! And three ranks in Warrior but isn't actually in the class because you'd miss out on her leather biker bikini otherwise

still mega rude to switch Maribel out for her right before one of the hardest bosses in the game but I'm ready this time put me in coach

I don't even have Mervyn yet, but Aishe just sounds like a waste of time. The hero and Ruff already have physical damage down pat, and it seems to me that Maribel and Mervyn balance out the party nicely with magic. Maribel especially seems too good to replace because she gains levels faster than anyone and she's about Ruff-level speed in this version.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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I guess that, in the end, I have an Old Man Bias. Such is the way of growing old...

Ruff is rad as hell though and I'm glad he's with you through thick and thin.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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SLUM KING posted:

The accents are bad for the most part but at least it's not as overdone as IV.

I just ran into the gypsies in 7. How far away am I from Alltrades? Cuz it seems like I shoulda hit it already. Maybe I'm misremembering the original?

You're close in terms of islands but the islands you do have to go through are quite long.

e: I can only stand the Cockney accent and it's the only one that ever really fits when it appears in the series.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

champion is the best class so three of those plus a sage for healing. but really, use the ones with the best outfits because this isn't a difficult game.

But you repeat yourself.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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JustJeff88 posted:

Last month, I saw someone on the Japanese version slay a green dragon using a club. He did nothing but 1 (or 2 on a crit) damage per hit and it took him about a quarter-hour to do it, but he won. It was oddly inspiring.

Tangentially related but I liked having Yangus main clubs in 8 even though they're objectively the worst weapon skill-wise simply because the final club is badass as hell.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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pick-e posted:

Picked up my copy just a little bit ago. I've been reading that instead of menu lag, this games localization was cursed with blurry text? Is it hard to read/distracting?

There's no menu lag and there's no blurry text

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Raitzeno posted:

We need to start a DQ cover band, kinda like the Black Mages, called 'Yangus and the Guv'.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Unmature posted:

Ok, what should I know before starting VIII?

Maybe look up a guide on good skill builds.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/583527-dragon-quest-viii-journey-of-the-cursed-king/40808249

That's a guide that tells you new alchemy recipes for each story point. You can make some powerful stuff early on and imo it makes the game more fun.

Don't sell gold bars, orichalcum or slime crowns.

Other than that, just explore and have fun!

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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Bongo Bill posted:

Is there a list of which abilities differ from the PS2 version, and how?

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/160146-dragon-quest-viii-journey-of-the-cursed-king/74285610

Basically the big changes are Helm Splitter getting a small nerf and Twin Dragon Lash getting a massive one. Most everything else is unchanged or buffed, especially in the case of magic.

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ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

I haven't played 8 since release. Is the Creme KingSlime thing a brand new enemy? I finished the waterfall cave and was on my way back to town when I saw it. Figured "It's in the starting area no way it'll be THAT bad" and got Yangus murdered before I ran away.

Yeah it's new to this version, and in fact you'll have to take a picture of it for a sidequest not too far from where you are.

ROFL Octopus fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jan 21, 2017

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