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LOL of course Timo Soini loves Israel, the mark of any true religious retard in Finland (well except the Muslim ones)
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# ? Oct 25, 2015 22:25 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 16:20 |
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Tynkkynen kicked out while in Iceland fighting Nordic Union
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 05:29 |
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True Finns are finished.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 06:41 |
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Rexroom posted:True Finns are finished. like kepu was back in 2011
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 08:34 |
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El Perkele posted:like kepu was back in 2011 And they found a new lord and savior, Juha Sipilä, in 2012. In TF there is no god but Soini and Putkonen is his prophet.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 09:11 |
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Persu leadership is so loving stupid, it's amazing. Everything they do only erodes their and the party's support further.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 09:55 |
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Did anyone not see this coming? Since day one of jytky, pound by pound, day by day, they were the dumbest political party with the biggest foot-in-the mouth syndrome I've ever seen in Finnish politics. Their newly elected people just can't stop saying and doing retarded poo poo. Either they listen to all that idiocy which makes getting into or staying in a government in impossible, or they don't, which means they will alienate the part of their base that supports those morons. It was only a matter of time which "principles" of theirs they would lose, though admittedly by joining this goverment they basically decided to lose all of them. So is this the third MP kicked out by Persus?
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:12 |
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Classic douchebaggery all around - Tynkky trying to openly form an internal opposition, then TF politburo striking back when Sebu is drinking mead in Valhalla.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:26 |
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DarkCrawler posted:Did anyone not see this coming? Since day one of jytky, pound by pound, day by day, they were the dumbest political party with the biggest foot-in-the mouth syndrome I've ever seen in Finnish politics. Their newly elected people just can't stop saying and doing retarded poo poo. Either they listen to all that idiocy which makes getting into or staying in a government in impossible, or they don't, which means they will alienate the part of their base that supports those morons. It was only a matter of time which "principles" of theirs they would lose, though admittedly by joining this goverment they basically decided to lose all of them. Redneck representatives saying stupid poo poo didn't kill their support though. In fact I wager it didn't affect it negatively whatsoever. This is all Soini & puoluejohto submitting to cock-kusta and either ignoring or being oblivious to the reasons why people voted them in the first place. Their "core" support can't be much more than 5%, and the rest is (or rather was) all protest towards other parties. Basically Soini traded the party's future for one tenure in government.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:45 |
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DarkCrawler posted:Did anyone not see this coming? Since day one of jytky, pound by pound, day by day, they were the dumbest political party with the biggest foot-in-the mouth syndrome I've ever seen in Finnish politics. Their newly elected people just can't stop saying and doing retarded poo poo. Either they listen to all that idiocy which makes getting into or staying in a government in impossible, or they don't, which means they will alienate the part of their base that supports those morons. It was only a matter of time which "principles" of theirs they would lose, though admittedly by joining this goverment they basically decided to lose all of them. He's not an MP
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:11 |
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Geriatric Pirate posted:He's not an MP No, but he was the third vice chairman of the party. Also he was apparently sacked not according to how it should be done in civil law, since he was elected by the party people, not the leaders, so it should've been a party decision. Funniest thing is that they first said they sacked him because he broke some law on illegal registers when he took up signatures for that emergency meeting. When they found out the law was removed years ago, they cited his "attitude" as the reason. So it's pretty apparent this was nothing but personal.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:17 |
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Rexroom posted:No, but he was the third vice chairman of the party. Also he was apparently sacked not according to how it should be done in civil law, since he was elected by the party people, not the leaders, so it should've been a party decision. Pretty clear case of politics interfering with party politics.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:21 |
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Double Bill posted:Redneck representatives saying stupid poo poo didn't kill their support though. In fact I wager it didn't affect it negatively whatsoever. This is all Soini & puoluejohto submitting to cock-kusta and either ignoring or being oblivious to the reasons why people voted them in the first place. Their "core" support can't be much more than 5%, and the rest is (or rather was) all protest towards other parties. No, redneck representatives saying stupid poo poo is reflecting that part of the base. But doing virtually anything that part of the base wants to do doesn't work with any of the other parties - especially the ones that got to form the government. So it was always a zero sum game, there was basically no chance of a tenure in government without alienating those people. It's the populist dilemma. I think Soini knew this and just wanted to be a minister. But the scale and speed of the party meltdown is still pretty impressive. Geriatric Pirate posted:He's not an MP Haha wow, he's been loud enough to convince me otherwise. EDIT: Apparently the firing might not be entirely legal http://www.hs.fi/politiikka/a1445828103661
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:26 |
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:40 |
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Soini didn't want him as a vice chairman to begin with since Sebu wasn't one of "his" guys. Soini angry! Sebastian should have trodden carefully indeed in his position, but instead took a piss on the old leaderships morning cereals. Tynkkynen was a bit too bright eyed for his own good. Double Bill posted:Redneck representatives saying stupid poo poo didn't kill their support though. In fact I wager it didn't affect it negatively whatsoever. This is all Soini & puoluejohto submitting to cock-kusta and either ignoring or being oblivious to the reasons why people voted them in the first place. Their "core" support can't be much more than 5%, and the rest is (or rather was) all protest towards other parties. Yep. Redneck reps can say all they want, people didn't vote for TF because they care that much about redneck MPs ululating on television, getting drunk, posting about strengtth and honoare on the weekends or giving weird statements about piety, homomarriage or conspiracy theories, either or. Pretty sure the 1/3 TF voters who now vote "empty" on the polls are disappointed on TF being unable to make cock-kepu follow follow a Government program they all agreed on. People hollering about populism should remember that. I'm sure ministeri Orpo taking a poo poo on the case of immigration is at the top of the list, but seems like it's a sum of plenty things including securing loans of other EU countries, mentioned immigration, the Euro and mummojen eläkkeet & pakkoruotsi and so on. If disappointment in question can be alleviated during the next three years TF will be fine. If not, see ya guys. As for the method of dealing with the disappointment that doesn't matter, of course. For example, if TF can improve their communication they can spin it like if we had Green-LA-SDP in the government instead, we would have had 100k more immigrants by the end of this year with their hands out demanding apartments and cars and girlfriends, even if it wasn't true. If our economy is in better shape in three years that will speak for itself and they can take part of the merit. And so on. What the near future holds my personal bet is that nothing will change for a while now. The people who are back to voting nothing were tuuliviirii's who were thinking TF can do MIRACLES!!1 in less than half a year. After they calm down for a while they will reconsider. Those more grounded on what can be actually done and in what time are still waiting to see. Ligur fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Oct 26, 2015 |
# ? Oct 26, 2015 12:47 |
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Rexroom posted:No, but he was the third vice chairman of the party. Also he was apparently sacked not according to how it should be done in civil law, since he was elected by the party people, not the leaders, so it should've been a party decision. lol
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 14:08 |
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lol harsh
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 15:25 |
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http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2015102620562154_uu.shtml Oh my oh my. Now we'll see how much Soini wants to keep the party together. I mean he may be the hitlerpope but Halla-Aho is the dude a lot of ligurs would go gay for.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 15:33 |
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DarkCrawler posted:No, redneck representatives saying stupid poo poo is reflecting that part of the base. But doing virtually anything that part of the base wants to do doesn't work with any of the other parties - especially the ones that got to form the government. So it was always a zero sum game, there was basically no chance of a tenure in government without alienating those people. It's the populist dilemma. Apart from being largely incompetent and at the mercy of vastly more powerful parties and interest group organizations of NC anc CP, Soini has done all he could to alienate everyone possible. "Hurr hurrr there is no internal opposition, where would they go?" Well apparently half of your voters would stay home now, and SDP is the second largest party according to opinion polls. It would also be interesting to know if they would have done better in a CP+TF+SDP government. Ironically SDP could have prevented TF shooting themselves in the foot in front of the worker voters. Rexroom posted:Funniest thing is that they first said they sacked him because he broke some law on illegal registers when he took up signatures for that emergency meeting. When they found out the law was removed years ago, they cited his "attitude" as the reason. So it's pretty apparent this was nothing but personal.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 15:34 |
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Jerry Cotton posted:http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2015102620562154_uu.shtml paavinpalvoja potkisi pois mestarinkin ellei mestari olisi niin suosittu
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 15:39 |
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Hogge Wild posted:paavinpalvoja potkisi pois mestarinkin ellei mestari olisi niin suosittu Uhh that was my point
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 15:40 |
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 15:58 |
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Kiva!
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 16:00 |
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Speaking of which oh gee whizz, Greece out of money again say hello to loan package #7 or #50 or whatever. I wonder what is the political utility of repeating the same charade every 3-6 months from now on to forever? Anyone care to throw a guess? The international banks who loan the money are happy, of course. They have invented a perpetual profit machine! And the people who pay for it are European taxpayers on account of "solidarity" or something I'm not exactly who believes anymore.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 16:03 |
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Ligur posted:Speaking of which oh gee whizz, Greece out of money again say hello to loan package #7 or #50 or whatever. Jo euroa perustettaessa oli selvää kaikille toimijoille, että yhteisvaluutta ilman yhteistä finanssiministeriötä (ts. liittovaltiobudjettia) on sulaa hulluutta, joten yhteisvaluutta otettiin käyttöön hurskain toivein siitä, että se herättäisi sellaisen solidaarisuuden aallon Euroopan kansoissa että yhdentyminen jatkuisi orgaanisesti. No, näin ei käynyt. Nyt olemme tilanteessa, jossa Kreikan euroero on se ainut järjellinen vaihtoehto (ilman yhteistä EU-budjettia), mutta se edustaa sellaista kasvojen menetystä federalisteille että se nyt vaan ei käy. Näin ollen, näitä avoimia "lainojen" kautta tehtäviä tulonsiirtoja on pakko jatkaa kunnes yhteinen budjetti muuttuu todellisuudeksi. (Toisin kuin esim. Jenkeissä jossa köyhemmät osavaltiot saavat liittovaltion budjetista suoraan tukea vauraimmilta osavaltioilta.) Kuten anglo-saxonit sanoisivat, the beatings will continue until morale improves. Ja toki drakhmaan palaava Kreikka olisi lähitulevaisuuden vielä pahemmassa kusessa kuin nyt, ainakin talousviisaiden mukaan. Heillä olisi vaan siinä vaiheessa paremmat saumat koittaa kömpiä kusesta pois jossain vaiheessa.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 16:11 |
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Which reminds me that I think I read 1/3 of the money the state of Finland makes annually, by taxation, is used to pay for just the interest rates of our public debt. So that means about 30% of the money Corporation Finland makes a year through taxation goes directly to foreign financial institutions, instead of being spent on Finland. In the light of this it is very peculiar when people from especially the left proclaim public debt is meaningless. (Or the size of it, the larger the public sector we can't fund, the more debt we need, and more money flows to foreign investors, ad infinitum.) That said I still don't mind taking more debt if the money is used for something useful. But we've been doing what the left wants, "Elvyttäminen" by taking more and more debt for the past eight years or so. The results are dismal. We don't have any awesome publicly funded projects that will tahkoo rahoa kuin sampo in the future. The money is instead used to pay the salaries of officials and municipal workers for them to buy products from foreign companies* *bit of a hyperbole for those morons who take everything posted literally (because it's their favourite word) and get stuck on arguing over it Rappaport posted:Ja toki drakhmaan palaava Kreikka olisi lähitulevaisuuden vielä pahemmassa kusessa kuin nyt, ainakin talousviisaiden mukaan. Heillä olisi vaan siinä vaiheessa paremmat saumat koittaa kömpiä kusesta pois jossain vaiheessa. I can imagine the wisemen are even right and Greece would be in deeper poo poo for a few years but at least recovery would be possible, or rather, inevitable, now it isn't, everyone knows this, and German and French bankers laugh all the way to the office. Other than that yeah I guess that's what it's about at this point. Losing face. Ligur fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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Ligur posted:Speaking of which oh gee whizz, Greece out of money again say hello to loan package #7 or #50 or whatever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhLWwNnUWRc
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 16:26 |
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hahaha good one
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 16:37 |
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lol
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 16:39 |
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vuohi posted:It would also be interesting to know if they would have done better in a CP+TF+SDP government. Ironically SDP could have prevented TF shooting themselves in the foot in front of the worker voters. In that universe TF probably manages to dump every single cut on the other two parties using its Internal Opposition trick and it's SDP standing at the precipice in the polls instead of TF right about now. Dunno how the refugee influx would influence things. On the other hand, the cuts would probably not be so horrific, at least not on the employed population.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 17:18 |
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Why is there a nazi lady wearing a bowl hat and a lion necklace in my tv set right now?
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 20:08 |
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Ligur posted:Which reminds me that I think I read 1/3 of the money the state of Finland makes annually, by taxation, is used to pay for just the interest rates of our public debt. To the surprise of no one at all you're mistaken, by a factor of 10 or so. The interest payments on state debt in 2016 are about 3.8% of the state tax income. http://www.valtionbudjetti.fi/
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 20:12 |
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Ligur posted:Which reminds me that I think I read 1/3 of the money the state of Finland makes annually, by taxation, is used to pay for just the interest rates of our public debt. So that means about 30% of the money Corporation Finland makes a year through taxation goes directly to foreign financial institutions, instead of being spent on Finland. Something peculiar is happening.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 21:25 |
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Meanwhile Americanized nutcase Taneli Heikka, who ~somehow~ keeps getting a platform on Hesari, thinks Finnish MPs should be either independently wealthy or get their money from special interests like their American colleagues. Also, here's a thought I had the other day. Back when we had an asylum application spike in 2008-2009, the family reunification process was a disaster and the processing times stretched to two years or more per application. However, unlike with the actual asylum applications, there's no financial incentive whatsoever to hire more people to process family reunification cases. After all, an asylum seeker in a refugee centre is costing money every day and you can still quite potentially get rid of them. However with family reunification, the nuiva perspective is that you are paying people money to bring even more scroungers into the country. Up to three or more per refugee! And if you get your family here easy, that's another vetovoimatekijä! My god! In other words, expect the family reunification queue to be something like five years this time around! There's basically no reason I can think of not to sabotage the whole thing by underfunding it Republican style so that barely any applications are processed. Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Oct 26, 2015 |
# ? Oct 26, 2015 21:47 |
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Herman Merman posted:To the surprise of no one at all you're mistaken, by a factor of 10 or so. The interest payments on state debt in 2016 are about 3.8% of the state tax income. This was about all the income taxation, which I didn't make clear in any manner so my bad, d'oh. If you count out unearned income or whatever the right translation is, 1/3 might be close to the mark. Which is still a fuckton. No, I don't have the chart that separates income and pääomatulo. In that chart they are bunched together. I think it was talous-linkola Isokallio who said this is the case.* edit: *it was and this DanTheFryingPan posted:Something peculiar is happening. Is an awesome thing *thumbs up* Ligur fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Oct 26, 2015 |
# ? Oct 26, 2015 21:59 |
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I see the libertarian "taxes are theft" meme has arrived. Didn't expect it to appear in the SDP.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 23:55 |
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Hahaha Jungner I had your back but this goes too far!
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 00:01 |
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Rexroom posted:
Clickbait for media exposure. No one is actually that retarded. This is the entire problem with the shitheap that is twitter. Anyone can say anything completely loving stupid and then when challenged go "Well yeah but I couldn't really fit the entire argument into x letters."
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 00:02 |
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Rexroom posted:
oon aina tiennyt että toi jätkä on kehari, mutta tämä oli kyllä sen paras heitto
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Se on hienoa että tässä uuskielen Suomessa koko keskusteleva kansa on unohtanut sen alkuperäisen yhteiskuntasopimuksen. Kiitos SSS tästäkin!
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# ? Oct 27, 2015 00:52 |