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ToxicAsset posted:I would like to point out that Coalition is already the "crazy U.S. Republicans"-like party if you consider what their invidual MPs promise in their ads and in what they cut in budgets. Only reason they aren't hanging gays to get votes is that the religious right is splintered in other issues between Coalition("kill the gays and the poors"-RR), CD("kill the gays, but not the poors"-RR), CP("Kill the gays and poors, but hands off my rural subsidies"-RR) and TF("kill the gays, foreigners and the elite"-RR). I don't think what you say is true at all. NC is to the left of Democrats, certainly not anything comparable to the Republicans. I'm not saying this to defend them because I support them, but because exaggerations like this are simply completely false. Anyway I'm not sure who I will vote for myself. I moved to the middle of nowhere recently, and only the candidates of the four big ones really have any chance of getting elected here. I will probably either vote for SDP on the basis of them being the least worst, or the vote Greens/Left on the hopes of getting the election system changed one day.
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As someone who has tried to decide which party to vote for I found couple of Metrilenkki's questions interesting, and in the end wrote down my thoughts about them all.Metrilenkki posted:
I completely agree with this and it's probably my single biggest problem with the Greens. I've actually tried asking about this from some Green party members and never really got any good answers. This just seems some kind of ideological position that doesn't seem much to do with facts. Much like GM food seems to be for pretty much every party here. I'd also add organic food here. I've seen studies that actually say that because of the lower yields of organic farming, and thus the greatly increased space needed for it, it might actually be less environmentally friendly than industrial farming. Can probably say for sure that it isn't at least as clear cut good thing, as some people say it is. Metrilenkki posted:
I'm not an expert on fur trading, but I really don't believe Finnish fur can compete with furs produced in places like you listed on price, and I doubt that there is big enough difference in quality either to make it the only factor either. So what seems to be at least a part of the competetive edge of Finnish fur is that, compared to many other countries, they can market that the fur here is produced responsibly. So someone who might not buy fur produced in say Siberia, might in fact buy Finnish fur since it's more "green" fur. For that reason I don't believe that all for production done here at the moment would just shift to other countries, if banned here. Metrilenkki posted:
This is something I see being said quite often, but have never seen any actual proof for it. That's all I'm going to say about that. Metrilenkki posted:
I wouldn't mind removing things like sanctity of religion from law, but honestly I find this whole thing to be pretty much insignificant. Never felt that public conversation in Finland is limited because of the laws we have. Metrilenkki posted:
Would probably be a very slow cultural change considering how long prostitution has already been around. I can see your point of view, and this approach definitely isn't without its flaws either, but I think legalizing it would just increase the problems. In the end I will probably end up voting for the Greens. I don't agree with them even close to all issues, but they seem like the party that I disagree with the least. Plus I'm hoping that by voting them it keeps the other parties interested in environmental issues as it has done to some degree in the past.
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Ligur posted:Maahanmuuttovirasto publishes statistics. So do VOK's. Depending on the VOK and year, young men usually make up 70-80% of humanitarian refugees who appear here and ask for asylum. Because you will say no more of it, it's of course impossible to determine if you consider Maahanmuuttovirasto "actual proof". Ah, I thought that was about quota refugees which Finnish goverment officials pick. I don't really see how you can make sure we get about equal number of both sexes if 70-80% of humanitarian refugees coming here by themselfs are males. I mean I don't think we should deny asylum just because persons sex is over presented in the applicants.
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The reason why I mentioned quota refugees was because of Metrilenkki's comment:Metrilenkki posted:[*]"Humanitarian" refugees = Women and children are left to die and get abused, young unemployed angry men are brought here and given free money. That's all I'm going to say about that While I appreciate your comments Ligur, and you certainly seem to know a lot about this issue, it doesn't seem to directly touch what he said. I mean Metrilenkki seems to claim that male refugees are being actually brought here instead of women and children. What you talked about were people coming here on their own, and I certainly might be wrong here, but Finnish goverment doesn't actually bring here other refugees than that max 750/year.
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Nenonen posted:This is lovely, given that the competition given by the TF was supposed to electrify the electorate. I expected even up to 75% participation. Almost a third, for one reason or another, didn't vote, so the winner of the election only got 14.4% of the possible votes. The participation percent was probably one of the biggest surprises of this evening. I mean if these elections didn't get almost 1/3 of Finns to vote, probably nothing will. Another surprise was the Greens losing 5 seats, but that was largely due to our hosed up election system which made losing 1.3% of votes cost them so much. For example CD lost 0.8%, but only one seat. Again another reason to hope that the new parliament approves the proposed election law changes. As for the goverment, I think its pretty clear which parties are going to form it. The only way you can really make the math work is by having NC+SDP+TF form the basis of it. I don't think there is much chance of Centre, and even less chance of Greens being in the next goverment. With those three parties they already have over 120 seats, which is should easily be enough. So it's interesting to see if SPP will actually be in the opposition for the first time in decades. I would imagine trying to fit SPP and TF in the same goverment to be very hard, but then again SPP seems very flexible.
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Antti posted:The current system has a pretty huge hidden treshold in it in any case. For a small non-parliament party to stand a chance it would need a significant showing in either Helsinki or Uusimaa to get someone through and that usually only happens with local, one-hit wonder charismatic candidates like Halme, not with an actual political movement (like the one we saw last night). National popularity counts for absolutely nothing. In the smaller electoral districts the hidden treshold can be as bad as 12-13%. 3% isn't ideal, but the reform shouldn't be scrapped just for that. It's like the AV debate in the UK where I roll my eyes at people voting against it because "it's not PR". Once you reform in the right direction, the idea of reform itself becomes more appealing. Heck, dropping the treshold to 2% would only take a single bill. As Antti says there is hidden treshold already, though district threshold is different thing than the 3% national threshold proposed. This hidden threshold also varies a lot between the districts. In Uusimaa I think it's around 3% atm, but in some of the smaller districts its way over 10%, and voting for anyone but the largest parties is basically useless. In the new system no vote would be wasted as long as the party got at least 3% support nationally. Eg. Sweden has 5%(I think, its higher than 3% anyway) threshold, and they have had multiple new parties enter the parliament over the last few decades anyway. So yes, this will suck for parties who might get support in couple districts but not 3% nationally, but more fair to everyone else.
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DarkCrawler posted:Yeah, I'm a black guy. Many old people are used to using that word to describe black people, and not nearly all of them use it as a slur, it's usually pretty obvious though whether or not that is the case. I live outside Helsinki, and among the older people "neekeri" is relatively common word around these parts still. The HS video of that TF MP was a bit demoralizing I have to say. I know people like him, and even though Soini might teach him not to use naughty words in public, it's not going to change how he thinks. I think that this is the dirty underbelly of the TF victory. I completely agree that we should be able to discuss immigration without immediatly labeling people racists, but at the same time it seems to have made people, who most definitely are racist, a lot more vocal about their views. It seems at least one of them might have even made it into the new parliament.
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Kasakka posted:As a person who is concerned about the environment and knows that nuclear power is better for it than burning coal or forests, I am very disappointed with how the Greens are letting this perfect opportunity go to waste. SDP already played into NC's bag, but it seems the Greens don't even have to play as they are NC's park division after all. Things like pollution and peat mining are way worse for the environment than things the Greens are now against. And no doubt if let into the government, they would again focus way much more on cultural liberalism than on the environment. Ugh, I really wish Finland had a green party. I think there are lot of people who think that way. Another thing I don't understand is their opposition to uranium mining, I mean since we and others need uranium, surely it would be more friendly for the environment to mine it here where can regulate it. I'm just waiting for the Finnish greens to start openly supporting homepathic treatments, etc. Then again there aren't any better parties around either...
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Antti posted:Katainen's grasping. The Greens should bow out too at this point or lose all credibility. I think Urpilainen might have a go with an SDP+TF+CP+LA formation. Yep, I can't really understand that they don't see how bad all this is making them look again. As you say they should have already left the negotiations. Now they are stuck there with the christians (which are almost as far from them as TF on most civil liberty issues), and NC/SPP (which are the two right most parties in Finland on economic issues). Not to mention they are waiting if CP, (who for example want to combine environment, and agriculture into new natural resources ministry) would like to join them. Great company they are keeping, it's the same goverment that cost them 1/3 of their seats, with some religious nuts added to the mix! At least I'm glad that the TF victory seems to have forced SDP/LA to grow a tiny bit of spine, and not just let NC continue business as usual. It's really interesting to see whats going to happen next, even if CP joins the negotiations that goverment would only have 105 seats. It's kinda hard to see SDP/TF goverment either since neither SPP, nor Greens, really play well with TF, and just SDP/TF/christians doesn't have enough seats. edit: Few more thoughts. So I guess the only realistic goverment that doesn't involve NC is based on SDP/TF and CP. I would still guess that most probable solution is NC somehow sucking it up and getting SDP back in. Zilkin fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jun 1, 2011 |
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vuohi posted:So I voted for Haavisto and I am pretty happy that he made it to the second round, even if Niinistö's victory is now nearly certain. Haavisto seems to be a genuinely nice, respectful and agreement seeking person. I don't think Haavisto has much of a chance winning on the second round, but I don't think it will be "läpihuutojuttu" as Lipponen said it would be either. My guess is he will get about 40-45% of the votes which I think is already a pretty awesome result.
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Puukko naamassa posted:I was in Säkylä in 2003 and we had two M91's and one M62. One M91 was used in regular duty, the other was meant for parades and leaves, and the M62 was used in combat training. I guess it varies from garrison to garrison. At that time in Parolannummi we only used M91's for parades and leaves, and used M62 for everything else.
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Dead Man Posting posted:I truly hope Finnish politics doesn't become americanized. I somehow doubt it would since, as mentioned, the political systems are vastly different and Finnish culture doesn't seem as politically polarized that the US has. I don't think there is any fear of that as long as Finland doesn't adopt a two party system. Sadly I don't think there is much chance that the US will become much saner either as long they have so incredibly polarizing political system.
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El Perkele posted:Nor is there a general trend of bears to specifically target those they feel represent a political or ideological opponent. There are some suspicions whether they were actually hunting rabbits or not. If they were infact poaching I'd say that they do represent a clear ideological opponents to the bears!  Also to continue my derail according to MTK the current laws are basically forcing people into doing this.
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It gained loving 2000 signatures in the time it took me to first get to the site, and then to identify myself to support this. This thing is definitely going to reach 50k signatures in a day! Also the site is currently slow as hell.
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Mar 19, 2013 10:51
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Bensa posted:If the signature rate stays steady it will pass 50k before 16:00. But it's not staying steady, it's accelerating! About 10k signatures in the last hour or so now.
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These YLE's short candidate interviews have been the best of this election: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KZqKKutwRk
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Teuvo's hangover hasn't prevented him from giving an interview this morning. He truly is the "kansanmies" we deserve.
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