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Stefu posted:Yeah and in the next government they won't achieve anything thanks to their dumbass "This election is about liberalism versus conservatism! We're the anti-TF! Oh look now they are twice as popular as us!" strategy so you might as well vote for the Left Oh come on. I have practically two choices here: Either I vote for the greens and hope that they get into the government and manage to block the loving Kepu for another four years, or I vote for the Left and see how Kepu fucks the enviroment up even worse. I practically must vote strategically here because I have too much at stake. Don't get me started on the Perssuomalaiset. In the long run stuff like student financial aims or rights of homosexuals or subsidies for public transportation are completely political and relatively time-independent. If they're all messed up, you can always fix them later. What you leave undone now does not mean that you cannot fix it later. That is not the case with enviromental issues which are (surprisingly) a huge loving deal for me. Essentially I'm not voting for the best option nor what I would love to vote, just trying to minimize the damage according to my own priorities. I'd rather take blocking of irrepailable harm and nothing else done than support useless opposition votes for four more years. I frankly will choose enviroment above same-sex marriage or fixing of student financial aid or more investment in [whatever sociopolitical goal you have] , because once you build Kollaja or Vuotos or promote even more peat harvesting in the mires, you will never, ever get them back. Period. I don't even dare to think how horrible the enviromental situation would be if the greens had stayed outside the government - it's not that great right now but the alternative is essentially  Hey I'm an one-issue strategic voter whooppedoo edit: If there was even a remote chace of left-green or leftist government I would immediately vote the Left, but I just don't see it happening 
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Ras Het posted:I want to vote Left, but I'm in the Kymi constituency, so a vote for LA is essentially a vote for Pentti Tiusanen, a former Stasi spy and alleged rapist. Not entirely comfortable with that, so might go with Green. Who don't have any chance at all of getting a candidate through in Kymi, so that's a bad option too... Does Southeast Finland have any redeeming features anyway? Watch birds, drive away
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ToxicAsset posted:el perkele, based on the greens taking part in the goverment taxation plan going for more peat, coal and heavily subsidied wood("risupaketti") instead of cleaner gas before the taxation plan blew up in the media, I would say that the greens can be scared into accepting Vuotos without much effort. To my understanding, they supported more co2 producing tax plan and "the only 2 out of 3 new nuclear plants get permits"-thing wasn't a concession to them, but to Centre Party. But Greens stated that they would participate in the government only if the river protection law was left untouched (back in 2007)?
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Metrilenkki posted:Let's argue about something else than guns. TF party program: Art should serve the state Modern degenerate art is horrendous and the funding should be cut, the nation must look back at Sibelius for guidance The real culture are rural history museums and fishermen from Kainuu hunting bear with sharp sticks, not the degenerate art (degenerate art) Strenght through unity Immorality reigns supreme, we must return to past, when things were pure Nationality and christendom are the key to morality The culture must be taken care with political means We must teach the children how great Finland is, and the place to teach this is school.
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Metrilenkki posted:Green party program: You do realize there's a difference between shouting tired clichés and actually pasting TF party program, right? Here you go: "The art in all it's forms is one of the basic blocks of culture. Finnish art, both performing and abstract, has been traditionally held in high regard. Our literature, architecture, visual arts, design, musical compositions etc. have a solid basis. The True Finns feel that preserving finnish cultural inheritance is more important than supporting postmodern modern art. The state-alloted culture support funds must be directed to strengthen the Finnish identity. Fakeartsy postmodern experiments should be left for private markets." "History lessons must emphasize the finnish miracle of a poor and distant country became the world-acknowledged nation of wealth and progress - even without great natural resources. It must be stated how important the independence has been to a finnish success story and how it was spared in the wars when survival itself was miraculous." blah blah I can't be bothered but it has golden stuff, like long parts of whining how the students are not making kids, local culture is really important and the youth must understand their local culture (which is apparently something from 19th century because they only mention really old artists and rural museums), Finland must be proud of it's culture unless it's in swedish in which case gently caress it and slash funding (even from Yle!), the local schools are really important for a finnish state of mind yaada yaada. It seriously reads like something straight outta 1930s edit: Soihaaaaa 
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Kemper Boyd posted:So, the fascist background of Suomen Sisu, which is well-represented in the True Finns, made the news. One of the more interesting things to turn up is this library thing: http://truefinns.blogspot.com/2011/03/suomen-sisu-library-of-recommended.html I tried to write something that doesn't sound like ironic bullshit but then I realized I can't because seriously gently caress this 
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ToxicAsset posted:Btw. Anyone know why people are going OMG Because that nice man from NC smiled when he stabbed you in the back, that's why!
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Ligur posted:A Finnish Social Democrat or socialist can't even figure that one out without trying to score points, make absurd demands of denouncement, or throwing around ideas about taking away the internet, god drat it. It's a disgrace. You just don't understand the current public discussion at all, do you? Right? Because here's a small head's up for the discussion right now. You know, the loud, obnoxious "immigration criticism" that promotes an eschatologist worldview that Europe is under attack? The same worldview that continuously speaks of nebulous "leftists" as a reason for everything that's wrong? That continuously combines borderline racist language with rhetorics of war and clash of civilizations? That has been for years loudly complaining about how feminists and green want to change the population of Europe? The same people who, in Finland, are led by this famous blogger, who was just caught lying about not knowing anything about anything? The same blogger that has repeatedly written to Gates of Vienna, has cheered for rape if it hits his political opponents, has publicly announced that he wants to raise anti-immigrant viewpoints and is continuously pretty much calling ? You know, this movement? This movement and their narrative is completely, absolutely inseparable from ABB's worldview. They do not openly advocate violence, but it would be just ridiculous to claim that no such subtext exists. Now, if such a group can bathe in their violent fantasies for years and maintain an internet echo chamber, then is it a wonder that something might happen and people would be interested in just what kind of stuff are these Bloggers and locomotive-drivers made of. Maybe, just maybe, it is possible that when people all across the Europe share a political narrative that's completely identical to a mass murderer's political narrative, and also actively shape the field, then MAYBE people might be interested in the scene? But noooo, it's the goddamn leftists and social democrats collecting political points again! Never mind that the dead people are from Norway's social-democratic party, never mind the demonization of social democrats, no, completely ridiculous, political point-collecting, nothing to see here, move along.
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Metrilenkki posted:do you have selective memory or do you not realize that for the past week all the government parties with the exception of NC have been pushing these because A TRAGEDY HAPPENED NOW ALL POLITICAL DISCUSSION (opposing our proposals) MUST STOP? I have a selective memory! I can't remember any party or official position saying that political discussion should stop. Of course, I have been quite busy and haven't had time to really read the news, but since you seem to know the political situation better than me, you could probably provide some links so I could read the stuff myself. Since you said that all government parties minus NC have pushed for cessation of political discussion, I assume you can easily provide news of each party? Thank you in advance!
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Metrilenkki posted:El Perkele, I was pointing out to Stefu that these retarded propositions were brought up by the governmental parties b/c of the bombing & massarce and fertilizer permits were not an issue before. Those links have the president, former prime minister, four current ministers and every party aside from NC riding on ABB & 22/7 tragedy. No official party is actually saying that discussion should literally stop. Hi! Thank you! I'm sorry, but I fail to find the Metrilenkki posted:A TRAGEDY HAPPENED NOW ALL POLITICAL DISCUSSION (opposing our proposals) MUST STOP? I wonder where these demands of silencing political speech are, since I can not find them in the links you provided and I seriously can't twist my mind into believing that statement such as "political hate speech should be controlled and scrutinied" means "silence".
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Metrilenkki posted:I'm not saying that it's wrong. If anything, right-wing extremism is much more dangerous than islam will in all likelihood ever be. White, christian/atheist-based terrorism is far more prevalent and "historical" in Europe. Hi Metrilenkki, I'm still wondering about the "stop political discussion". I didn't quite understand how your examples amount to "stopping political discussion" perhaps I missed something pretty bad?Also, I'm wondering about marginalizing farm yokels? Who is doing it and how? How does it relate to case Norway?
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Metrilenkki posted:Hi mr Perkele, Hi Metrilenkki, indeed it was. After all, my hyperbole detector has gone pretty much bonkers after reading stuff like James Hirvisaari, Jussi Halla-aho, insane bloggers, Uusi Suomi comments, Olli Immonen and other assorted internet insanity. I am quite sorry I was unable to separate your statement from quite similar, but serious, comments all around the internet. quote:I'm sorry that I mislead you by saying that everybody wants to stop political discussion Very well. One thing escapes me here, so perhaps you could explain me: How can one discuss an act of political right-wing terrorism that targets a political youth camp without discussing, you know, the politics behind it - especially if a relatively well-known member of an opposing political group shares a completely similar worldview? I mean, I simply do not understand how you can remove politics from an act that is inherently about politics, nor do I understand why one would like to do so. And since no one else but the True Finns and especially their... whatever wing, the part where Halla-aho is a dominant actor, call these things a political theater and points-collecting, well. It is a mystery for me how that wing of TF, being politically extremely similar to ABB, is the only one who realizes that this political terrorism shouldn't be discussed as a political act. It really makes me wonder! quote:I'm not sure if you're familiar with government permit procedures, on the event of Mrs. Räsänen's proposal going through, requiring (most propably priced) permits from farmers to buy fertilizer would 1) put an unnecessary financial strain on the buyers and 2) make them look more suspicious since they need PERMITS for their fertilizers (and to people unfamiliar with farming, the quantities can look big!), which can be used to make BOMBS, just like in Norway! oh. I am a city person, I failed to actually consider this. Bread comes from KKK-supermarket. quote:I hope this helps, and I'm proud for your coherent posts! Thank you! I am also very proud that you have stated that your earlier statement about political discussion was a hyperbole. Of course, in retrospect, I should have done a similar conclusion from posts such as this: quote:For the record I’m voting for True Finns despite an acute fear that they turn up to the government without clear policies or that they’d turn out to be like the other three main parties. Or this: quote:Pluses: policies on Or maybe this: quote:Green party program: Or maybe this too: quote:Is it paranoia if the city of Helsinki officially practices “positive special treatment” towards immigrants? Talking about a conspiracy is just stupid because honestly the whole phenomenon of these multiculturalist co-ordinators and whatnot are directly (and mostly) spawned by Finnish structural corruption and political opportunism. Or this: quote:I guess what I'm trying to say is that these demands for more hatespeech laws and restrictions for freedom of expression come from the consensus's parties' desire to control media and what is being said. The comparatively recent social media tools like blogs, commentaries, forums and wikis threathens this. Different forms of media censorship either through voluntary media silence or government officials not giving proper information is no less frequent in Finland than in other places around the world. The politicians like Junger or Tuomioja don't give a flying gently caress about hatespeech, they don't want to answer embarassing questions. Now, I am sorry if it is sometimes difficult for me to know what there is behind these posts. After all, they are just marks on a screen and by no means representative of a person's state of mind. But for some reason these remind me of something. Something familiar, a fleeting glimpse of something I have seen quite often. Whatever it is, some of your posts carry so much reminiscensce to this thing that I fail to detect the hyperbole and start to read these as they are written. After all, as you probably understand, there can be only so much similarity before a weak mind - such as mine - starts to form some kind of expectations. El Perkele fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Aug 1, 2011 |
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Stefu posted:Incidentally the whole "voting the wrong way" is one of the most keep your politics out of my voting behaviour you though-gestapo
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Jerry Cotton posted:Halla-Aho is a (possibly unwitting) plant by the coalition against Rudimentary Finns and he will eventually cause the divide and fall of the party because Soini is more interested in his career as a politician and can't afford to be associated with the ovens-for-muslims-crowd too closely or for too long but, on the other hand, relied entirely on the leijonariipus crowd for his party's votes in the elections. Leijonanriipus crowd does not amount to 19 % of voters. There is something else at work there, too.
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Jerry Cotton posted:So now we have two Perkele threads? Finnish politics is perkele
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Ligur posted:Yep, pretty much. That's just how he writes, as foolish as it was in a situation like this. I know it's hard for some to figure out gallows humour. Hey, why are you taking Soininvaara's phrase at face value, though? Even if you have no mental capability of separating "might" and "should", then how come is Osmo's comment not gallow's humour? I mean, apparently most of us don't have as well-separated sense of humour as you do, so maybe you could advise us?
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Ligur posted:Oh please. Osmo, Pangalos, the Mad German and JHa were basically saying the same thing, each in their own style. For example nobody seriously thinks Oettinger would send the blue helmets to Greece, it's just so over the top. But the message is clear: they (Greece) can't handle the budget crisis in any regular manner. All of the above know the Greeks are bound to riot and burn if necessary measures to cut spending are taken. You know it too. Hence all mention military intervention. I can't believe someone needs someone else to explain this to them?!? i have never seen such mental dexterity
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Ligur posted:i have the wrenching feeling you might disagree with my msg I have no idea, but why isn't that gallows humour when Jussi's comment so obviously - as you stated - was? edit: Also why didn't you mention these names before Jussi and Homma mentioned these? After all, before these names had surfaced in Homma you were saying that this is all gallows, and suddenly - also after Jussi's bad interview in yellow press 30 minutes ago - you also mentione Oettinger. And with practically the same choice of words, also. This is intriguing! It's almost as if you were whiteknighting JH-a and using the exact same excuses he is. I thought it was all humour! El Perkele fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Sep 15, 2011 |
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Ligur posted:PS. you can deduce by having read both Soini and JHa for a long time that they have - gasp - completely different writing styles. Another is of a career politician, the other that of a vehement social commentary who uses both parody and sarcasm in heaps. It can't be surprise to you they don't exactly write in the same manner, in fact, they write in a distinctively different manner. If you claim all mean always literally mean what they say, then I'm sorry. If you claim ONLY JHa always literally means what he says, I assure you, he's like any man, and does not. No seriously, gently caress off. No one though Jussi's comment was humour until Jussi decided to defend himself. Like a loving crybaby, that is. Listen and stop practicing for mental gymnastics for once, you brainless amoeba: This is a man, who has been active in a far-right organization, who has stated that violence is "underapprectiated" method of solving problems, who has fantasized about shooting demonstrators, who has kept a malicious and hate-seething blog for 10 or so years, who writes for Gates of Vienna, who has been one of the most prominent islamophobes in the internet for years, who has publicly written that it would be "right" that if someone got raped it would be Rosa loving Meriläinen for some reason, who has repeatedly decided not to engage in a conversation with either his voters or media, who sincerely believes that Tolkien is a good metaphor for Western World vs. Muslims, who wants to raise and upkeep xenophobic attitudes, who states that there's nothing more repulsive than a nordic social democrat, who compares the minority councilor to Oskar Dirlewanger, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And you fail to see, that when a guy like this publicly states that a military junta would be necessary for Greek it's kinda hard for a normal people to brush it off as "just humour". You go ahead and compare him to people who say the same thing, only that they say that "in worst case this might happen" instead of this should happen. Then you squirm like a worm and try to explain how black is white and nothing else matters. Is this all a big joke to you? Do you think Ann Coulter is a great forward thinker and just joking? You are indeed the most postmodern political commentator in here - for you, nothing matters. And still you spend countless hours white-knighting a repulsive crybaby. Are you purposefully this dense or do you lack something?
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Keisari posted:Well, ofcourse I usually take voting seriously, but President has been stripped of all powers really, so I think the role could be scrapped for good altogether. ... so you decide to vote a guy who thinks abortion is not allowed in any situation whatsoever? Your influence 
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Keisari posted:It's impossible to find a candidate you agree with on everything. It's quite possible to find a candidate that does not want to limit personal freedoms though
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Keisari posted:Yes, which is exactly what I did in the Parliamentary elections. I'm for abortion and all that, while his personal opinions are against it, but I think rolling back personal freedoms isn't on the highest spot on Soini's priority list. quote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't found (with some good ol' Googling) that Soini would've directly said that he wishes to go for it and deny abortion, despite he doesn't approve of it. You said: quote:The president's only real influence left is that they get a lot of attention and can thus indirectly influence things.
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Ligur posted:The posters who have their panties in a bunch because Soini is going to ban abortions or limit your personal rights are inventing things. Oh come on "I vote for a president, he is a figurehead!" "Well your candidate has horrible opinions." "HE NEVER SAID HE WOULD ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING" I just go and say Soi-hah posted:
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vuohi posted:It's just a bunch of Arhis-fanboys mad about their mainest man getting the same treatment that several right-wing ministers have gotten earlier. Talk about how embarrassing it was when EFFI had an anti-campaign against Tanja Karpela, or Stefan Wallin just a year ago! Arhis posse is not defined by what they try to accomplish or what they support, but who they complain about.
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Zilkin posted:At that time in Parolannummi we only used M91's for parades and leaves, and used M62 for everything else. Parola 2003? I was there for a year (I/03). Mech infantry. Everything's Russian, everything's brown, we all die etc.
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Dead Man Posting posted:My svensk-speaking Finn friends seem pretty cool with the idea of getting rid of obligatory Swedish in schools as long as they don't have have learn Finnish either. I don't speak fluent swedish, but it's extremely useful if you 1. go to Lapland 2. go to Norway 3. go to coastal Finland 4. go to Åland 5. read Nationalnyckeln 6. have anything to do with locals on a small patch of land stretching from Loviisa to Mariehamn and Vaasa 7. visit Stockholm I do all these things and swedish is quite useful to me.
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DarkCrawler posted:Wait wait, I think I got it now...isn't this like telling Swedish speaking people that they can't write "Åbo" or "Helsingfors" on their maps? Because they have lots of animals and plants that do not live elsewhere in Finland or in the archipelago, THAT'S WHY keep your loving separatism away I want to be able to mark European yew on my Finnish vascular plant checklist edit: I have tried to ponder this and I have no loving idea what's going on. 1. Åland is a special unilingual autonomic area, and as such their stances should not THEORETICALLY affect the language question in the rest of the Finland. But they do. These kinds of statements make the language discussion more hostile and worsen the situation of swedish speakers in the rest of the country. I remember when a year or two back some Åland parliament representative threatened to declare Åland independent if the position of Swedish language in the mainland is "made worse". That worked really well. 2. The linguistic questions about place names and localities are not something you simply overrule with legislation. Question: what do people call London, Stockholm, Moscow, Vienna or Cote d'Ivoire? 3. Claiming that Maanmittauslaitos, of all things, is breaking language law by using a normalized name for an island and for city is just insane 4. Independent Åland? lol good luck 5. Åland as a part of Sweden? lol good luck. El Perkele fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Mar 13, 2012 |
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DarkCrawler posted:Åland: "So where's our yearly 8000 Euros per citizen?" Åland pays a lot of money back to government, the net tax income is about 7800e/capita. Although Åland gets relatively lot of money, they also pay a lot of taxes. As far as I understand the discussion of Åland's notorious 8000 euros per capita per year is misleading. They are an autonomic area, and different rules apply to them than to other Finnish areas - which includes the complicated calculation of subsidies and tax income. Feel free to correct me, though. Independent or Swedish Åland is a question of international law as well as a question of practicality. I am no expert in 1921 League of Nation treaties and how valid they are now. But: 1. Strategically important, the demilitarization of Åland has been somewhat useful for all parties involved (Sweden, Germany, Finland, Russia to name the major names). Nullification of Åland treaty or militarization of the islands would affect the power calculations in Baltic sea (well to be honest no one really thinks that in the case of nuclear war and everyone being busy dying the paper would be worth much). 2. In case of Åland joining Sweden, they probably wouldn't have the autonomy to the degree they have now. I simply do not see the situation where Sweden would take Åland and apply the previous treaty to it as it is. The current situation is beneficial to everyone - including those in Åland who object to Finnish language presence in Åland. I do not know what purpose these kinds of statements serve. Maybe Åland people are just really worried about Swedish language's situation in Finland, because it affects them. Hell if I know. The demand of taking away Finnish names is, however, absolutely loving ridiculous and does not defuse the situation in any way. If anything, it makes people more hostile to Åland autonomy or them being part of Finland.
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Dr. Klas posted:Why is it absolutely loving ridiculous to want the names on the map to be in the official language of the region? Take a world map. Look at our eastern neighbour. Instead of Rossiya, it says Venäjä. Instead of Moskva, it says Moskova. Places, people, cities - they can have names in many languages. Wanting to remove a name that has almost 500 years of active use and history for 5 million people on the basis of a law is, simply put, idiotic. It's taking away the usage of words and their history, making a number of maps inaccurate. For Finnish-speaking people, the island has been known as Ahvenanmaa and the city has been known as Maarianhamina for hundreds of years. For Swedish-speaking people Helsinki is Helsingfors. Removing old and used names is against every single rule of good language keeping, severes historical ties, makes things complicated and serves no further purpose than to inflame the language dispute. quote:This time it is not the Åland government that is picking this fight, it is the Åland Chamber of Commerce (i.e. private companies). quote:Part of the reason they chose to bring this up is also that the Maanmittauslaitos is referencing a law that is not valid anymore. I'm also pretty sure that an average person on Åland either doesn't give a gently caress about this or would be as happy if both names were on the maps. I don't know what law Maanmittauslaitos is breaking. Is there a law that states that old and formalized names for island and it's capital should not be included in maps?
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Jerry Cotton posted:I can attest to this. The eradication of those loving tiny flies should be on the agenda of every political party. There's a species of Drosophila that is very fond of human poo poo and piss. It's quite common in Kustaa Vaasa's men's lavatory.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Luckily, opera doesn't have cultural value. This line is parroted by people who think that Finland shouldn't have any kind of nationally subsidied high culture. It's absolutely unbeliavable.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Well, kidding aside, paying 50 million euros out of tax-payers' money for something that is still basically out of reach for most of the populace (economically, geographically, or both) is just not right. This is such a crok of bullshit. Guess why? Because I have heard the same god drat old tired complaining from all over the place. People like you - yes, you - would rather have a country that has 50 state-subsidied ice hockey arenas in the dull grey concrete hellholes than one - one! - nationally subsidied arena for a classic and widely recognized form of art. Or maybe the state shouldn't subsidize anything, and you would rather live in libertopia. But if you're arguing for that, then why would you take the extremely statist agrarian look at the Opera house? "Opera is in Helsinki! We cannot go there! Well we can for the 14th Madonna concert but Opera is different. And no, we shouldn't build more opera houses, we should demolish what we have! Opera is too expensive! Well, it isn't more expensive than a ticket to a ice hockey match but still! Government shouldn't give money to opera! Well, they should give the same money to god drat Tuupovaara's Disabled Young Runners, because sports is important and opera is not! No, I have never been there, why? No, I have absolutely no idea but it sounds elitist so I am going to oppose it." Your - yes, I say you - solution is not to bring more and different culture everywhere in the country. Your solution is to cut what you do not understand. You cannot understand why someone would rather spend 14 euros to listen to good music live rather than 27 euros to watch some toothless idiots hacking each other with a hockey stick. You complain how expensive the 18 euros I paid for my last opera ticket is and can happily spend three times that money drinking government-sanctioned and heavily taxed lager beer in the safety of your home, watching the 13515th part of Salkkarit and complaining how the great city of bumfuck, Helsinki, is responsible for you bein People like you - again, I say you, because the chance of someone just spontaneously picking something as weird as national opera as their personal pet peeve is minimal - spew the talking points that opera is "out of reach geographically" (completely ignoring that everything that is actually fixed to a place is out of reach") and "out of reach economically" (without having any kind of idea of the actual cost of a ticket) and somehow think that if we ONLY could cut back on Opera then everything would be better! It wouldn't. And if you want to cut back on Opera, then cut back on science, youth work and everything else, because they also swallow Veikkaus money. After all, why should Veikkaus subsidize sports with 143 million euros? That money could be spent to, hell, no idea, maybe we could save all 5 million Finns with it! You want to cut back on Opera because you don't understand it and don't like people who you think visit it. You probably have no idea what Opera is like. And the god drat tired complaining about Opera completely ignores the 210 000 people per year who went to actually see the shows. You happily support publically available sports venues but disagree on supporting Opera. Why? El Perkele fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Dec 20, 2012 |
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Ras Het posted:It's just vowels. Subsidised foreign vowels. And classical music! It's only for old elitists!
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Rurik posted:What are you, some kind of True Finns that can't understand opera? If it wasn't Opera, they would be complaining about theater, government, police, electricity, literacy or opposable thumbs, those elitist things only the sirmisterbigwigs in the cold and bureaucratic Helsinki have and which shouldn't be funded by honest taxpayers.
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Rurik posted:Yeah, I mean why should my taxes be used to pay for some dreadlocked hippies Teatterikorkeakoulu studies?! It's the same as opera. And how dare you suggest I'm throwing a tantrum? My tax money shall be used to pay for important things. Like pesäpallo. Ps. why is everyone moving out, we have pesäpallo
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"Sense of Finnish nationality", define it, GO GO GO
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