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Might as well contribute. One thing people have neglected to notice how much trouble the Coalition party is in right now. Basically they're forced to form a "big three" government. Center party is out, the Greens are out. So any combination pretty much has to include the Social democrats. The True Finns are adamant on getting in to the government. On top of this, if they leave the Social democrats out, SD + Center + Greens + The Left = is a government crushing 101 seat majority. So if Jyrki Katainen wants to form the government and not get stuck in opposition, its big three or nothing. SD of course are a bunch of seasoned politicians who know exactly what's going on and can extract all the power they can get. Katainen's only real choice is to milk the True Finns for all they've got and use their political ignorance to his advantage. This is reflected in his "seven questions to all the parties" where half the questions are your run-of-the-mill "how would you balance the budget" stuff and the other half is a big middle finger to the True Finns on things like the EU and foreign relations.
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vuohi posted:Man, this thread. Wow, this thread really went down the toilet. SDP+NCP+TF is the only choice. Katainen is going to pm, Urpilainen the finance minister and which post Soini's going to pick is anyone's guess. Maybe minister of the interior? Social affairs and health is the third important ministry, but somehow I can't picture Soini in that role.
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May 2, 2011 21:37
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Antti posted:Social and Health isn't that important (or at least prestigious) per se because what you'll be doing most of the time will be either cutting funding (always popular) or trying to scrounge up money from Finance. No one has really built a career in Social and Health, though this is probably related to it traditionally being a female minister's position. Sinikka Mönkäre maybe? She became Minister of Trade and Industry in Lipponen II. Social and health is the biggest single chunk of the budget, ten billion euros. E: If Katainen fails, SPD+TF+Left+RKP (swedish party) is 104 seats, so that's something. E2: I'm not saying the above mentioned coalition is very realistic at all, Katainen and SDP are opportunistic enough to go to form a government no matter what since real power comes from writing the laws, not so much determining the government agenda. TF is still a loose cannon so that's a big question mark. Oldsmobile fucked around with this message at 20:45 on May 3, 2011 |
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May 3, 2011 11:13
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I see Mr. Katainen is really working hard to get his financial market masters lubed up with cheap government loans. He's trying to get the loan deal for Portugal worked out before the government gets formed. I guess he's looking to get the True Finns to save face by having a straight up vote on the matter in parliament, thus getting it out of the way and off the government agenda. Kinda reminds me of the deal with the Green's: "we'll let you have your nuclear powerplant and save face by getting to vote against it".
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May 3, 2011 20:50
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Antti posted:And after there was media speculation the old coalition partners would vote for the package, it looks like both the Centre and the Greens are going "nuh uh, it's your mess now Jyrki". I know, we're finally getting politics in to politics. It's getting so that Katainen basically has two choices, be an opportunist and give up any chance to get any of their own policy implemented or just give up and go in to opposition. Wheany posted:Yes! This exactly.
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May 5, 2011 21:24
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Oh god, this election  Basically the Left is exploding because of the negotioations. I've spoken to a bunch of Left alliance MP's I know and they don't know what to think. I'm pretty sure that's not a good thing seeing as how they're the one's doing the negotiating. E: and calling it the government of losers isn't far off. At least the Swedish speaking party didn't lose any seats. Of course they're in every government for ever.
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May 20, 2011 02:28
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Jesus what a weekend. The Left going in to government and all. I'm still trying to digest everything that's happened. I'm kind of skeptical of whole thing. But this is how things turned out so I guess it's time to make the best out of a difficult situation.
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Jun 20, 2011 16:03
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I can't really vouch for all parties, but the Left alliance and Social democrats get most of their operating funds from property ownership. Most properties have been accumulated over the years. I'm pretty sure it's the same for most parties, though the Swedish party has foundations and I guess the coalition party just gets money from rich people.
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Aug 27, 2011 12:19
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vuohi posted:(Note to non-Finns: Finnish labour unions are practically married to the Social Democratic party, and they have an casual fling on the side with the Left Alliance. The relationship is probably more complex than that. Labor unions have been distancing themselves from the LA and to some extent politics in general for years. SAK is of course run by a Social democrat mafia, and they wield a lot of influence in that party, but seem to be a minor though powerful group in the LA. The construction union just officially disbanded political groups and have become "non-political" whatever that means. Seeing as how unions nowadays are more akin to the Yakuza than any progressive organization, I guess it means cliques are no longer tolerated.
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Well, I've read and re-read this and there isn't a loving trace of irony in this status update:
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Rexroom posted:Ah, yes. That book event that just happened to deal with far right groups in Finland? I'm sure that was just a publicity stunt by the far-left, just ask Homma. Apparently the names of two have already been published (not that I really care) and it's them. I see no reason to not take this seriously. The apologist meltdown is pretty crazy though.
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El Perkele posted:This is you, right now: What antifa tribe? There is and practically speaking has been no functioning antifa in Finland.
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Ligur posted:You probably misquoted, anyway, forgot to add that was a Sweden comparison. They've had both for ages. There has been practically no functioning skinhead assault groups here either, but if we get one, we'll get the other. Uhh, yes, missquoted but we also have actually had an actual skinhead assault today. One of several real ones that have actually happened within a year. Not a theoretical group popular in some other country that is at best a few individuals making noise and never doing anything worthy of note.
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Meanwhile, Supo doesn't seem to be on the ball at all. As can be seen by this thing here. Speak of "a clash between extremist groups" is especially unsettling as there was only one extremist group involved here. The article is a bit vague though so I won't pass judgement until I've heard more of what he's said. It's just that the secret police seems to be more interested in trendy topics such as muslim extremism, which is pretty drat marginal in Finland.
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konna posted:As many as it would require pedofilic kidnappings to be declared a national epidemic. You know you are oversimplifying the issue of right wing extremism. It's more than just an N amount of attacks if we want to evaluate at which point it can be argued that it is a serious threat. If four young girls had been kidnapped by sex starved otaku with a penchant for rapelay in the last twelve months, I'd say a lot of people would be very very worried.
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Ligur posted:"the government" can't give anyone jobs) Investments in building infrastructure, maintaining it or improving services create jobs directly and indirectly (by increasing consumption and economic activity). Ligur posted:Touching the subject an article from Tallinan Sanomat about Finns moving their businesses across the gulf. The reasons listed are quite telling. It's just talk and even the companies moving to Tallinn would simply be remotely operating on Finnish soil, using Finnish infrastructure, services, educated employees and things like that. Besides, Estonia isn't a sure bet. It's next in line after Cyprus and Slovenia as going down the shitter. Ligur posted:Yet I'm still bewildered how naive and trusting many left-wingers are. Even when the political left-wing actively participates in making life for the average Jussi more miserable, they'll be happy to blame the "right-wing" anyway and go on about wanting more socialism, more taxes. I do agree that currently the left is suffering from a distinct lack of focus.
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I doubt the budget brouhaha is being polled yet and the changes are well within the margins. We should take a look at the long term trend. But the government seems to be suffering from lame duckism so that's bound to affect the coalition partners in some ways and boost the support of the opposition.
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The coalition hasn't exactly shown professionalism in it's dealings. Things like loving up the shipyard deal, the bizarre case of the head of the transport agency spendng money he didn't have (though the government wasn't at fault there, the way they dealt with it was strange), Pekka Himasgate, Heidi Hautala's fiasco with her hired help and of course the government's complete inability to go through with the much needed and broadly supported healthcare and communal administration reform really show a lack of professionalism and quality leadership. And the capital gains fiasco to top it all off. The whole thing smacks of an unorganized class project and doesn't inspire confidence at all. I hated Paavo Lipponen's governments, I'm a shamed to admit it but I kind of miss him. At least the government was headed by a big scary grumpy guy who seemed to know what he was doing. Oldsmobile fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Apr 1, 2013 |
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This is interesting: cops emptied Kamppi, the shopping mall in the center of Helsinki, of youths during the easter holiday. Apparently they were fighting and being a general nuisance. However, the youth have a carismatic, well versed spokesperson, who is also unemployed and calls himself "syrjäytynt". The kids were all chanting "problem youth, problem youth" at the police while being kicked out. Here's the video: http://www.hs.fi/videot/Poliisi+tyhjensi+Kampin+nuorista++nuoret+vastasivat+huutokuorolla/v1305664100797 Oldsmobile fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Apr 2, 2013 |
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Looks more like they were chanting it for the cameras hoping to be on the news. Ligur posted:The charismatic and well versed spokesperson seems to be of good intelligence. He should consider not being "excluded" anymore and going back to school. Yeah, maybe he should consider kickstarting his life by appearing on a reality tv show. I'd say that's a reasonable response to today's young people and their problems. All they want to do is get high on energy drinks and play Xbox anyway.
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This _very_ critical blog post explains the whole capital gains fiasco in fairly simple terms (in finnish). It's a pretty good read: http://rekoravela.blogs.fi/2013/04/02/suuri-veroharhautus-osa-ii-15708147/
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When I was like seven or eight I was first lifted up against the wall by a teacher and later a teacher locked me and him in a closet and went apeshit on me. Really scared me too. These were old guys and this was in the 80's so I guess they could still have been traumatized by war or whatever. I don't really like how this whole discussion is going. Sure teachers need to at least have the same rights as guards for physical restraint etc. But beating kids in school is not the right way to calm things down, quite the contrary. The video is very poor, starts in the middle of the confrontation and it's kinda hard to tell what really happened and there might be some unknown back story to all this but based just on the video (the media is saying the basis for firing is the video), I don't see how they ended up firing him. Very strange.
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Ligur posted:Awesome, Finland is so self-supporting when it comes to growing weed dealers don't bother importing it anymore. Long live juche-idea and self sufficiency in fat stogies!
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What I was trying to say was, when you have a situation where a teacher needs broader rights of physical restraint as common practice, you've already lost and you have to go back and think about how you're managing things on a general level. You can't just beat kids in to submission.
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Can't we just start shooting journalists? Nobody would care and it's not like there would be anyone writing about it.
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quote:1978 - Rehtori tulee paikalle, tutkiskelee Juhanin asetta ja näyttää sitten omansa. Boomshakalaka. In 1978 pedophiles were respected members of society.
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"Massive slaughter of rebellious peons" (were asking for it).
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Somebody told me YLE was so sure the Left Alliance would leave government during the capital gains crisis, they made it the day's news story before hand and when it didn't happen they were hosed for programming.
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Ligur posted:I have the answer to the mysterious question YLE poses: just about everyone has an internet connection these days. Politicians or say influential officials in Finland (and by golly everywhere else too) have always been harassed. In the past people used to send anonymous angry letters and drop poo poo on your physical mailbox. Now it's just so much easier. Your drunken tirade is only a click away. Actually, the only rightwinger who agreed to participate was Olli Immonen. Others were asked but declined for whatever reason. Also, two wrongs don't make a right.
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Finlands Sexiest posted:They probably asked Hallis to be interviewed and he started screaming and shot the phone Lmao
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Ligur posted:edit: Also meanwhile in Finland, we have a SDP vice rep. who thinks gay people should be hanged and that men and women are not equal. Where is the public furour! Where are the scandalous tabloids! Why does no one ask why SDP as a party wants to subjugate women and opposes equal marriage, nor demand Urpilainen to publicly resign from such primitive values? Actually, most SDP guys of that age group probably are homophobes and the SDP isn't exactly known for being a gay rights party. But does it really need to be spelled out to you that since SDP isn't a party dominated by muslim gay hangers, it's not going to label the party as a whole whereas TF is all about being white, male and hanging the gays (while all the while being strangely a bit too interested in homosexuality).
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Questions about liberalizing store opening hours and raising tax on alcohol and views on prostitution are not actually questions where Finnish left wing parties are internally unanimous. There is a strong liberal wing that feels strongly about making all of these more open but it's in a clear minority atm. With generational change opinions are changing.
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DarkCrawler posted:Workers Party of Finland, Communist Party of Finland and Communist Workers' Party of Finland Ligur posted:Can you mention what actually are some Finnish left-wing parties? Obviously you can nitpick a lot on this question but I'd go with social democrats and anything to the left of them. I don't think there are any functioning marginal leftist parties other than SKP. The whole spectrum seems to have shifted to the right with the communist party apparently being something of a TF without the nationalism. Or trying to be. Whatever happened to good old fashioned Marxist-Leninism? Oldsmobile fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Apr 27, 2013 |
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I think the French communist party just started using new symbols to go with the hammer and sickle they've been using since probably the beginning. I wouldn't be surprised if the symbol actually originated in France. France has pretty drat good labor legislation and a welfare state that seems to work quite well. It's not all fun and games but the communists in France were the major force bringing those laws in to force. I'm not aware of the swastika being used in Europe in a positive context like that.
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Rexroom posted:YLE has published their latest polls, and it's... well, take a look at it yourself: Social Democrats and Coalition starting to feel the burn for being in the government. The brouhaha over the capital gains thing hasn't hurt the LA, quite the opposite. The margin of error is 1,4% so unless there's a trend, most changes are within that. But the Left has been going up for several polls now and the Social Democrats are having a total meltdown. And to think they had 28% of the vote during Lipponen's first government!
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So Soini said yesterday, that TF would definitely be in the next government: http://ts.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/526769/Soini+Hallitukseen+on+pakko+paasta Now assuming the coalition party does poorly and the center party wins the election, a center+tf+social democrat government is the most likely outcome. However, based on Soini's comments, he's not ruling out a government with the coalition party either. If the coalition party does well, we'll have a super right wing government. This in light of the youth wing being run by that girl who openly admires fascists. All because the left screwed up this government big time 
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brakeless posted:I really don't understand why we would need to cut spending RIGHT NOW OR ELSE. The government takes on debt in times of economic downturn, that's how it's supposed to work. Our debt to gdp ratio is still low compared to many other prosperous nations (calling Finland rich is apparently now contentious lol Ligur) and that number will go down when the larger European economy recovers. In the case that the EU economy never grows again, we might just as well take on as much debt as we can now, because the foundation of our social order and economy will be irrevocably hosed. Cutting spending is practically suicidal. Pulling money out of the economy is usually a bad idea except when it's over heating and doubly so in a recession. It multiplies all economic problems. Now is the time take on debt and invest in infrastructure anyway, because interest rates are low and prices aren't going up as fast. Wages are stagnant, so it's even cheaper. I don't see how we'll make it as a country if every time we have a recession practically all of the parties run around like crazy demanding spending cuts.
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Ligur posted:We don't have to cut spending. It's about pulling money out of public expenses, like "lol let's invest 500 billionz more on welfare checks lol we should be worry iffe estonians have enough money to eat and then hire 5 000 000 new project manangers, controllers and Pinuno ng Kagawaran who will be filling forms to teh follow where these squirrel skins go, and make sure KELA checks can be writan in both italian and somali becuz multiclltje3!"¤" than let's just loving invest the same amount of money on some new power plants and hire local people to build it here and finish the project. Welfare checks are probably a better investment than tax cuts, which is what everything seems to be about right now. Power plants are surprisingly bad investments. Roads, hospitals, railroads... perhaps a tunnel between Helsinki and Tallinn, pretty drat good.
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Stop it! Stop fighting! We need to compromise! Maybe we can only murder three million jews?
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