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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Smoking Crow posted:

You can't tell me that the guy who got tricked by an April Fool's joke wasn't funny

There was the guy who called about how Kevin Sullivan killed Chris Benoit and his family and then they got him to believe that Kevin Sullivan was involved in the shooting down of the plane in Ukraine.

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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Cactus Jack posted:

IC match was very bad, but B&V saying it was worse than the Doomsday Cage from WCW is blasphemy.

There was a moment in this match where four people stared at each other for thirty seconds unmoving.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

CVagts posted:

The fact that they settled out of court? That seems okay. Why would he not be okay with that?

He didn't like that Cole was not afraid of Lesnar, at all. You can get compensation and still be loving terrified of Brock Lesnar.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
So Bo Dallas is joining the Wyatt's?

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

remusclaw posted:

Japan remains committed to the weak pile-driver.

Minoru Suzuki

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

GoutPatrol posted:

I was surprised too but Dave has said multiple times him and Akiyama always get no support from their peers.

Akiyama to me isn't a Hall of Famer in truth. Being in the main event for a long time does not mecessarily make you an all time great. He is always below Misawa, Kawada and Kobashi on the totem pole... he's like a Japanese DDP to me almost. He was great, but he's not an all time great.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

CombineThresher posted:

To the point of suggesting that apes evolved into humans because they ate tons of mushrooms. That's like Brian Kendrick levels of stupid.

Isn't this a Bill Hicks bit?

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Lid posted:

Isn't this a Bill Hicks bit?

Found it

https://www.facebook.com/MushroomsAreAwesome/videos/555014934558071/

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edk5qvqRGDU

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Meltzer said he thinks anyone who won Most Outstanding should be in the Hall of Fame as they were the best in the world i n that year.

2005 - Samoa Joe

2011 - Davey Richards

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Cardboard Box posted:

yeah, that's the same thing holding aj styles back, who at least has revitalized his career in the last couple years

AJ is going to get in eventually. He was the only self made man in TNA that from beginning to end was seen as so much better than it all. Yeah he had a tonne of lovely angles during it but he was always AJ and his time without it just shows how loving good he is.

I can't say the same for Joe, who really was killed by TNA.

Davey Richards is just an utter scumbag to be blacklisted.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

mariooncrack posted:

I think on voting day in 2012 she announced her support of Barrack Obama as a hail mary.

It's better than that, in the last few days the pamphlets were to vote for her AND Barack.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Wazzu posted:

Yeah - people described him as a shining standout in TNA; when it's a hole that no light or goodness escapes from.

AJ managed to do both!

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

21 Hoot Salute posted:

The Best of 2015 is up :swoon:

Somehow the stories of Brent during WrestleMania weekend didn't make the cut, including the chocolate fountain.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

BlueArmyMan posted:

Asked if Becky Lynch wears a band-aid between her legs to prevent a wardrobe malfunction. Also said he'd heard there was a request for her takeover match vs Sasha Banks to be shot from certain angles to hide said band-aid.

arent those angles reserved for people like Harvey Whippleman

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

ch3cooh posted:

On tonight's B&V Bryan says Plans change but as of now Tough Enough Josh will be in the rumble

The darkest timeline

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
chris benoit killed his family

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Jerusalem posted:

That was hilarious because I imagine it was a result of Braun having been told,"Your gimmick is that nobody can get you off your feet!" but nobody told Brock, so I'd like to think when Brock clotheslined him and Braun stayed up it was like flashing a reasonable request for slight expansions to gun access restrictions in front of a Congressman.

It's better to think that Brock was told, he just doesn't care. And he never will. Or he took it as a challenge.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

quote:

Everyone raves about Riddle for good reason. I know he’s got the issue with failing pot tests in UFC years ago which caused WWE not to sign him yet, but whether it’s New Japan or TNA, they should be on the phone with him yesterday because he has the potential to be one of the biggest stars in the business. He has incredible natural charisma.

No Dave, the reason the UFC got rid of Matt Riddle wasn't the drug tests. It was that he said he needed weed because if he wasn't high he'd be BEATING HIS CHILDREN.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Dario the Wop posted:

Well, he is a dumb gently caress.

Until he starts training in MMA he might be dumb as gently caress but he has made a smarter life choice.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Edge & Christian posted:

Are those generally against the SHINING loving STARS, as Bryan would put it?

I'm not super familiar with the pecking order in NJPW right now but there's probably a world of difference between a top guy losing to a tag team of other top guys (which is how most of the NPJW tags with top guys generally seem to go) or to an established tag team, not bottom of the barrel jobbers.

The Rock in his era of being THE ROCK would be on the losing side of tag matches all of the time, if he was getting pinned or just losing against Kurt Angle and HHH or Edge & Christian or something like that. They didn't generally have his buddy get pinned by Lo Down.

Also I just realized I'm comparing Big Cass to the Rock, I apologize.

Every year at the G1 we have to watch as people like Okada, Tanahashi and Minoru Suzuki lose to Tama Tonga and Big Fat Fale

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Naito is doing well when NJPW has transitioned to its new Ace during what was the peak of its company in the last fifteen years.

Matt Hardy has managed to revive a company that has never had a peak, ever*, single handedly, and no one even cares to see him wrestle to do it.

*We can discuss 2005 X-Division until we're blue in the face but that was a shining star amongst poo poo, both before and after.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

AMReese posted:

Bryan Alvarez didn't understand why people would boo TJ Perkins, that he's fantastic in the ring and he's been fantastic in the tournament. He thinks the only reason why they're not happy with him is because he beat favorites. That he thinks it's just Full Sail and they're all a bunch of "GEEKS!"

When even Vinny can say he doesn't see what Bryan sees in him, you know Bryan is getting cozy in his bubble.

On the other hand the Full Sail reason was he beat Rich Swann and Johnny Gargano who were their guys (not to mention Ibushi) which is a really old argument either way. The anger at TJP far outweighs anything that can be realistically argued.

Bryan goes the extreme other direction by thinking he should be cheered, but the middle ground here of "don't boo the great wrestler vociferously for spurious reasons" seems to have been lost in the same weird void occupied by Roman Reigns and John Cena.

As for arguments they're geeks... i'm still staring at the front row guy wearing Paul Heyman Guy shirt. He's the biggest meme since Turns-Back-On-Triple-H man.

Edit: on the other hand their complete bewilderment at people booing Roman really is dull headed. They're booing him because they want him to be heel, him being heel would solve all the drat problems. That's pretty clear. Same argument can be levied at TJP but having an out and out heel win the tournament from the get go would've been a loving awful business decision.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Bryan talking about how can something have too much flour and then im not a chef is the dumbest thing he has ever ever said.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Gaz-L posted:

Dumber than claiming that women selling low blows is stupid because it doesn't hurt to get kicked in the cooch?

Coincidentally I heard a very old TNA review where a woman was low blowed and not only were the TNA commentators saying it didn't make sense, but so was Vinny who was agreeing with them. It was all very weird.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
The Halloween song contest is the best since Craig's Vinny and Unnecessary censorship contests by a huuuuge margin.

And I don't blame Granny for not knowing the Ocean Cyclone Suplex, it's god drat Manami Toyota.

Lid fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Oct 29, 2016

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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S C O T L A N D F O R E V E R

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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And I think my head is burning,
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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Jerusalem posted:

God I loving lost it during the Granny segment when she started talking about Holy Foley. That was incredible.

The Hollywood & Vine is a real move drat it, Steve Austin used it.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Malcolm Excellent posted:

New analysis from big Dave "Mike Jackson might be worse than CM Punk"

Sage Northcutt might be worse too thanks to MMAth.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Dave talking about how Gedo should be in the Hall of Fame for his booking is a good argument.

Everyone thought NJPW was in dire straits last year losing three main eventers at once, Hiroshi Tanahashi's shoulder was dying, Suzuki was over in NOAH, and Okada had only just been coronated as The Ace without being tested whether he could do it without Tanahashi.

He loving managed to pull it off.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Dimebags Brain posted:

Thank God Naito went to Mexico and learned how to be cool from Rush.

Soimetimes people need a change, Shinsuka Nakamura before 2009 being a babyface that they hoped would be the next ace alongside Hiroshi Tanahashi. No one cared.

They he turned heel and formed Chaos.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

algebra testes posted:

I'm surprised by this Matt Riddle love. I haven't seen him rassle, but isn't he the MMA dude that got done for smoking pot? It's cool that he's apparently a really dope rassleman.

Correction

He got done in MMA for on the record saying that pot was the only thing keeping him from beating the poo poo out of his kids.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

coconono posted:

do that match today and people will complain that it was overbooked.

ok Punk you're going over the shield

but make sure Roman Looks Strong

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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And I think my head is burning,
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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

GoutPatrol posted:

I think the only one who has gotten in from that "generation" is Kensuke Sasaki and even he had alot of connections to the previous generation. Nagata, Akiyama, Tenzan, even KENTA and Marufuji are not getting in because it was under them that the business "died" in Japan, due to circumstances beyond their control.

Nagata will get in eventually, but thats because of his longetivity that me managed to still be a mid to top guy going into this generation and belly a belly to back suplex over. Hes the babyface counterpart to Suzuki.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

remusclaw posted:

He won most outstanding wrestler from 06 to 10 and best technical wrestler from 05 to 13 in the Observer awards, but that is fan voted isn't it, meaning Dave wasn't necessarily watching him that whole time?

He was watching, Danielson's whole thing is that every single match of his was way above average and the capacity to get the best out of any opponent. There was some five star matches in there, most obviously against Morishima or McGuinness, but he was in the Benoit of Eddie sphere. They didn't kill 5 stars matches every week but they were still the best in the world.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

coconono posted:

couple things:
-Jessicka admits to saying some of the poo poo but it was taken out of context and, in hindsight, not meant for a public forum like twitter
-some of the more egregious tweets were screenshotted using that twitter impersonation tool that was making the rounds and never actually tweeted by Havok
-the people that started this were a targeted harassment group going after NXT women. They did the same thing with Zahira.
-Hailey Hatred fled the country after a car accident where Jessicka was driving Hailey's uninsured car.

Oh no they went after Zahara who will ever defend the literal nazis

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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Son of Man posted:

"my racist comments were taken out of context"
"actually I'm the victim for being called out on my racism"
all she's missing for bigot bingo is "i have lots of friends who are minorities"

and friends who were maligned for being nazis for taking photos of their bedroom swastikas and iron eagles

heritage not hate

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

ChuckDeNomolos posted:

Bryan melting down because his fantasy booking fell apart is my favorite goddamn thing today.

Hos fantasy booking being unequivocally better because it made actual sense does not seem to be a strike against him. WWE making illogical swerve decisions are getting Russo-esque.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
If you have not done so listen to the Bryan and Vinny NWA show from this weekend. The glee of describing Four Horsemen is one thing, but the triple shot of the jobber matches is just some of the most awesome listening ever - including one jobber who is worse than Vladimir Petrov, Survivor Jenna, Rebel or Shelly Martinez. It is hilarious.

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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
The 19 year ago Raw/Nitros have become, as time went on, a complete re-appraisal of how the Attitude Era was and more and more that it wasn't just that WWF had Austin and Rock, but that WCW actively had to try and lose and were doing so, because WWF overall loving sucked so much and was much worse than WCW.

The Headbangers have become a negative meme. Conversely Meng and the Barbarian are retrospectively considered the best tag team of all time that isn't the Steiner Brothers.

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