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Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003


Whoa, who were these dudes? Is our young hero straight up murdering his cousins?

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Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Whoa, who were these dudes? Is our young hero straight up murdering his cousins?

I mean it's not entirely impossible it really was a plane crash that killed them. Of course if it wasn't there might not be any way to know for sure.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

Oh, boy.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/927325658975494144

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

How is this different than what was already going on? Or are they shutting off even food shipments?

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Al-Saqr posted:

HOLY poo poo ABDULAZIZ BIN FAHAD?!

Ok, I dont know what the gently caress is going on, I have no idea what the gently caress is gonna happen, either a civil war in the royal family is gonna happen, or alot of princes are gonna die, either ways, MbS is setting up a ton of grudges that might bite him in the very near future. and the fact that he thinks that killing off the leading children isnt gonna rock things in the very near future is really insane.

Looking this guy up, seems like he was tight with Saad Hariri. I wonder if that is a coincidence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/nyregion/at-rape-trial-2-views-of-a-saudi-princes-wealth.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

quote:

Saudi Arabia. The company was founded by Rafiq Hariri, who built Saudi Oger into a large company by winning the trust and business of King Fahd. “Hariri used to say, ‘The meat on my shoulder is from King Fahd,’ ” said As’ad AbuKhalil, a professor of political science at California State University Stanislaus, who has written several books and runs the blog The Angry Arab News Service. Mr. Hariri, a former prime minister of Lebanon, was assassinated in 2005. His son, Saad Hariri, took over Saudi Oger and was Lebanon’s prime minister for 14 months before he was ousted last year. The two younger men are known to be close, said Mr. AbuKhalil and Mr. Henderson.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
I don't think the :tinfoil: explanation is the most likely scenario, despite the timeliness of it. From what I've read (French source) it was a helicopter crash near the Yemen border. So if it was shot down, it would seem more probable that the culprits would be Houthis. Of course, if it's conspiracy by the power-mad MBS, then the Houthis will be perfectly convenient scapegoats anyway.

Though according to someone from that twitter thread, MBS had no reason to want to get rid of Mansour.
https://twitter.com/sunrise121212/status/927324959956979713

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

Al-Saqr posted:

How is this different than what was already going on? Or are they shutting off even food shipments?

While I'd assume that, it's hard to find any details right now. Suppose this is a prelude to something even more insane happening in the near future?

Freezer
Apr 20, 2001

The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Whoa, who were these dudes? Is our young hero straight up murdering his cousins?

If he's going the full Crusader Kings route, surely the next step is marrying one of the daughters to Barron Trump, thus cementing the alliance.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories as a rule. Proper investigations and evidence are required.

That being said, its been a busy loving weekend in Saudi Arabia.

1) MBS arrests a bunch of super rich and powerful people

2) Hariri out of nowhere resigns while visiting KSA

3) Ballistic missile is shot near the capital

4) Some more rich and powerful people wind up dead from an aircraft going down

Its conceivable that none of these are connected, and likely that not all of them are. But holy poo poo is it going to be interesting to look into.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Whoa, who were these dudes? Is our young hero straight up murdering his cousins?

Abdul Aziz was the son of the last king.

Mansour was the son of a previous crown prince.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Al-Saqr posted:

How is this different than what was already going on? Or are they shutting off even food shipments?

you can't fool us, the real Al-Saqr was arrested for corruption

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Freezer posted:

If he's going the full Crusader Kings route, surely the next step is marrying one of the daughters to Barron Trump, thus cementing the alliance.

Marrying Tiffany wouldn't count because Trump wouldn't care.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

https://twitter.com/HassounMazen/status/927133600297963520

quote:

A general strike in #Manbij against the forced conscription which has been enforced by #SDF for the residents between 18-37 years old.

https://twitter.com/HassounMazen/status/927154911720206337

quote:

Clashes between the demonstrators and #SDF (#YPG) in #Manbij city & #YPG arrested some of them after a demo against the forced conscription.

Anyone heard anything else about this?

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

So, I've got a flight from New York to Bangkok via Qatar in two weeks...should I rethink it? Is poo poo about to hit the fan or am I being :tinfoil:?

https://twitter.com/AP/status/927355812888088576

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

So, I've got a flight from New York to Bangkok via Qatar in two weeks...should I rethink it? Is poo poo about to hit the fan or am I being :tinfoil:?

https://twitter.com/AP/status/927355812888088576

Flying over a war zone is perfectly safe. :thumbsup:

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

So, I've got a flight from New York to Bangkok via Qatar in two weeks...should I rethink it? Is poo poo about to hit the fan or am I being :tinfoil:?

https://twitter.com/AP/status/927355812888088576

you're going to be fine. if anything is going to happen it will be in Yemen.

Fairly passive
Nov 4, 2012

Not as productive as I should be
Feel free to drop by Riyadh sometime and get a cheeky Nandos.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

So, I've got a flight from New York to Bangkok via Qatar in two weeks...should I rethink it? Is poo poo about to hit the fan or am I being :tinfoil:?

https://twitter.com/AP/status/927355812888088576

You'll be fine.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!
Fun Shoe

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Flying over a war zone is perfectly safe. :thumbsup:

Avoid Malaysian Airlines if at all possible.

whatever7
Jul 26, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I just want the Saudi civil war goes off when Kingdom tower is getting close to finish.


It will be the new Tower of Doom.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/ahmed/status/926780844907175936

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

Al-Saqr posted:

What the hell am I supposed to think? I dont give a poo poo about anybody involved, I am a little more sad about the previous group of arrests done a couple months ago because there were some decent, powerless people who had reformist mindsets, despite how naive they are.

here is a good article on what happened:-

https://theintercept.com/2017/11/05/what-happened-in-saudi-arabia-last-night-and-how-washington-corruption-enabled-it/

looks like the arrest against Walid Bin Talal was encouraged by everyone's favorite orange retard:-

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/926793510723796993

Also, never ever assume automatically that saudi people generally support anything, the fact of the matter is that Saudi society is a completely servile and neutered population, they not only have a gun pointed at their head 24/7, and all of their interactions online are monitored, you also have the situation where arab media by and large has been the near total and exclusive domain of the royal family for decades, WE DONT HAVE ANY SEMBLANCE OF A CIVIL SOCIETY, so people have been so thoroughly propagandized, afraid, indoctrinated, etc. that the Idea that you're going to ever see anything other than praise and wonder and love for each and every thing that the powers that be does to them or gifts them is insane, people have been clamoring for change but what the government is doing is capitalizing on that desire to feed people a ton of different poisons that will gently caress us all over and that are just outright blatant free market scams that dont qualitatively improve the society. dont ever expect a public outcry from this completely destroyed and indoctrinated and reactionary situation at any point until the country collapses under its many failures, because people dont have a choice.

I dont know what's happening next, but one thing is for sure, this is a really dramatic and violent takeover of power and we are making this transition from what was generally a kind of laid back authoritarianism that wouldnt really come and get you unless you actually did something against the government, into a full scale egyptian style fist in your face police state, where there isnt even room to be SILENT on the things you disagree with and really a whipping up of false chauvanism and false patriotism mixed in with a full privatization of the country as a whole through the barrel of a gun, it's definitely a situation now that the government wont even tolerate the grumblings people would normally do in the privacy of their homes or on social media.

In terms of corruption, it's pretty clear that this is just going to be a change of who does the corruption rather than any qualitative difference. There's one thing for sure, is that the people who are going to be the power players next have sowed so many seeds, and have hosed up so much in the region, I am not quite sure even they know what the gently caress they're doing beyond reacting with no vision beyond that.

All we can do is wait and see.

Hey are you sure it's OK to write like this? Aren't you still living there?

Or do the monitors not care about English writing? I remember a blogger (writing in English) in Venezuela a year or two ago said that state intelligence monitoring didn't know/care about non-Spanish language posts, so he said he was safe.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

So, I've got a flight from New York to Bangkok via Qatar in two weeks...should I rethink it? Is poo poo about to hit the fan or am I being :tinfoil:?

https://twitter.com/AP/status/927355812888088576

Youll be fine
The biggest danger will be to your wallet.
Theres a nice cafe at the beginning of concourse B, order the arabic coffee/qahwa.

Fizzil
Aug 24, 2005

There are five fucks at the edge of a cliff...



Fuschia tude posted:

Hey are you sure it's OK to write like this? Aren't you still living there?

Or do the monitors not care about English writing? I remember a blogger (writing in English) in Venezuela a year or two ago said that state intelligence monitoring didn't know/care about non-Spanish language posts, so he said he was safe.

I'd say its still dangerous, and Al Saqr is kinda ballsy as far as dissent goes in the middle east. The jacobin article linked earlier in the thread was also written by a dude under a pen name.

But on the other hand, people like al saqr (or me) are fat poo poo lords who play video games in their moms basement, we have 0 influence or pose no threat at all to anyone, it'd be a waste of money to arrest us. Well i hope it would, poo poo has been vicious lately.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/927507355578847234

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
RIP the only trees within 100 miles.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

1. Holy poo poo a coup/purge in my least favorite country. How likely is this going to bite back hard for the Crown Prince? Can we expect a Saudi-Iran war soon?

2. Can we make an impromptu new thread whose OP can get updated quickly?

Laurenz
Dec 21, 2015

They call him little janny hotpockets. He was terrific, he was the best, and he did it for free too.

Grouchio posted:

1. Holy poo poo a coup/purge in my least favorite country. How likely is this going to bite back hard for the Crown Prince? Can we expect a Saudi-Iran war soon?

I reckon it's far more likely we'd have another bullshit proxy war like Yemen.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

DesperateDan posted:

couple of 9mm induced brain haemorrhages from a full on purge now
I believe it's called a Turkish suicide.

quote:

it was a helicopter crash near the Yemen border.
Oh yeah another classic, the helicopter crash.

Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Nov 6, 2017

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

Fizzil posted:

I'd say its still dangerous, and Al Saqr is kinda ballsy as far as dissent goes in the middle east. The jacobin article linked earlier in the thread was also written by a dude under a pen name.

But on the other hand, people like al saqr (or me) are fat poo poo lords who play video games in their moms basement, we have 0 influence or pose no threat at all to anyone, it'd be a waste of money to arrest us. Well i hope it would, poo poo has been vicious lately.

I'd say Saudi Arabia treats most of its people like the proles in 1984, if you're harmless and powerless then you can have your freedom to do as you please as long as you keep it to yourself and out of places that matter.

mediadave
Sep 8, 2011
BTW Al-Saqr, given the current climate I don't think anyone would mind if you go quiet or bland for a while.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

mediadave posted:

BTW Al-Saqr, given the current climate I don't think anyone would mind if you go quiet or bland for a while.
ATM, the purge seems concentrated on potential rivals of MBS and their supports, for the moment, i doubt they care about Al-Saqr, unless he is involved in the political succession of King Salman in some way. I guess the rumors about King Salman's health were true.

Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Nov 6, 2017

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Still it might be a good idea to hurry up with the new thread, and send that one away in the back of the shop. It's broken anyway.

Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry
Seems to be several protests today against SDF conscription practices. I have a feeling this forced conscription business is gonna come back and bite them in the rear end if they end up fighting SAA forces.

A lot of the initial "training" seems to be more ideological than practical, and I suspect that educating conscripts on the benefits of a free society probably rings kind of hollow when you're not actually free to choose whether or not to serve.

https://twitter.com/ornekali/status/927464223944466433
"Al Mayadeen reporter @khalediskef says SDF / YPG arrested many locals in#Manbij after the massive protest against compulsory conscription"

https://twitter.com/soundandpic/status/927478057530740736
"SDF arrested many civilians in alMansorah town for Conscription"

https://twitter.com/24Raqqa/status/927539209887502336
"Fighters of SDF warned civilians in Raqqa about demonstrating against them like Manbij"

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
*starts slowly moving the SDF into the Bad Guys column*

almighty
Mar 9, 2011

Toplowtech posted:

I believe it's called a Turkish suicide.

Got any examples for that, the "Turkish suicide"?

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

almighty posted:

Got any examples for that, the "Turkish suicide"?
A few thousand pages back in this thread, around a year before the coup in Turkey, police officers in the Turkish police linked to Gulen groups were found in their cars, dead with a bullet in the back of their head, those deaths were ruled a suicide.

Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Nov 6, 2017

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Bohemian Nights
Jul 14, 2006

When I wake up,
I look into the mirror
I can see a clearer, vision
I should start living today
Clapping Larry
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3839774

okay friends I have made a new thread to tide us over until someone steps up and makes a proper OP or thread.

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