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People keep saying "the military" but who is really setting policy for them? Is it one person or a group of generals that meet and agree on what to say?
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pentyne posted:People keep saying "the military" but who is really setting policy for them? Is it one person or a group of generals that meet and agree on what to say? Its a group. From the previous page's timeline: quote:The minister of defense consults with political advisors and issues a statement from the central command of the army – a roughly fifty-member body made up of top brass – that basically offers a forty-eight-hour ultimatum to the president to bow to the demands of the opposition. Kilometers Davis posted:I hate to sound like a sensationalist news anchor but this is causing a lot of weird excitement and anxiety in me. Knowing that vital history is going to happen at a specific time is a surreal feeling but I suppose it's really nothing new. Social media's fault? The only thing that will probably happen when the clock runs out is the expiration of the ultimatum. Orders have probably been pre-issued to units that can be trusted, but its still going to take a lot of time to secure government facilities, issue press releases, etc. Much more if Morsi and the MB decide to fight it out. It's not like he's going to pack his bags and hand in the keys to his office at 10 AM EST.
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Jul 3, 2013 08:09
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SCAF (Supreme Council of the Armed Forces) is (or was) in charge, with Tantawi in charge during the anti-Mubarak revolution. He was more or less forced out by Morsi, and now the head guy is Al-Sisi. There are 20 other high-level commanders involved. Edit: 50? I thought there were 21 "key" guys
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Jul 3, 2013 08:11
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So will this end with the MB getting banned again (or at least from political functions) ?
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Jul 3, 2013 08:15
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The Egyptian health ministry says that 16 people were killed at a pro-Morsi rally yesterday. Things don't look good at all  .
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Jul 3, 2013 08:16
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Sereri posted:So will this end with the MB getting banned again (or at least from political functions) ? If not officially, then by the will of the people. The Muslim Brotherhood is going to be pretty much akin to running around post-War Germany as the Nazi Party. There's so much ill-will against them now and the longer it takes them to get out of power, the more severe the Egyptian people's reaction is going to be. I think even the guys resigning from government functions are more out to save their own asses than out of hope of saving the MB party as a political entity.
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Jul 3, 2013 08:21
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It's some mix of fun and sad when your predictions are correct. Back in 2011 I was saying things like "The MB in particular and Islamism in general has no coherent economic program, and are only popular because they've been "forbidden" or illegal for so long; once people try it out they'll be disappointed and abandon them." I just had no idea it would happen so fast. Edit: But my predictions about Libyan intervention being a disaster were wrong, so there's that. OwlBot 2000 fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Jul 3, 2013 |
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Jul 3, 2013 08:27
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Are there any polls or actual evidence that actually shows a loss in popularity for the Muslim Brotherhood?
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Jul 3, 2013 08:28
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Momentary derail- can someone explain exactly what the hell is going on this video from Syria? My Levantine Arabic isn't very good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fs99vnIpco
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Jul 3, 2013 08:40
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Al-Gamaa al-Islamiyya is now calling for early presidential elections.quote:Ultra-conservative Al-Gamaa Al-Islamiya has called on President Mohamed Morsi to hold early presidential elections, Tarek El-Zomor, a senior member of the group, told Reuters. This is pretty significant, considering how the Brotherhood was cozying up to GI after they had a falling out with Al-Nour, the most prominent Salafi party. The Brotherhood is extremely isolated right now, and they have very few cards left to play. Edit: never mind- GI is denying this. Al-Nour has been calling for early elections ever since this started, though. pantslesswithwolves fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Jul 3, 2013 |
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Jul 3, 2013 10:45
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Things are obviously more interesting in Syria at the moment, but here's details of the largest incendiary bomb yet used in Syria. http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/the-syrian-air-forces-largest.html
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Jul 3, 2013 11:07
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a bad enough dude posted:Are there any polls or actual evidence that actually shows a loss in popularity for the Muslim Brotherhood? quote:But as economic woes rise, frustration with Morsi has steadily seeped into a wider cross-section of Egyptian society. Morsi’s approval rating has dropped from 78 percent after his first 100 days in office to 42 percent last month, according to Baseera, an Egyptian research institution. http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-26/world/40206494_1_president-mohamed-morsi-egyptians-speech
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Jul 3, 2013 11:49
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Ham, do you think that Hamdeen and Baradei will finally man the gently caress up and take advantage of the situation or are they still going to be whiny boycotters and let the felool win? I feel they'll be the latter. based off experience. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Jul 3, 2013 |
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Jul 3, 2013 12:39
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Al-Saqr posted:Ham, do you think that Hamdeen and Baradei will finally man the gently caress up and take advantage of the situation or are they still going to be whiny boycotters and let the felool win? Apparently Baradei is now the sole representative of the liberal opposition in negotiations with the military, so yes, they'll probably take advantage of it.
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Jul 3, 2013 12:43
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The Egyptian army has now reportedly occupied the State TV building.
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Jul 3, 2013 13:44
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Brown Moses posted:The Egyptian army has now reportedly occupied the State TV building. actually it's the republican guards. I'm not sure if that makes a difference.
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Jul 3, 2013 14:20
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15 minutes to go but the speech will bs dealyed probably.
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Jul 3, 2013 15:15
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Russell William Thorpe posted:Thank you for this, I'd been trying to figure out what the hell was going on. With the music from Man of Steel playing on my phone that Countdown clock is epic as hell. Looks like I picked a good time to catch back up on the days events. Ham posted:15 minutes to go but the speech will bs dealyed probably. My clock says 28 minutes left. The time table change? Oh any good news feeds?
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Jul 3, 2013 15:31
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Reuters is currently streaming live from Tahrir Square on their liveblog: http://live.reuters.com/Event/World_News
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Jul 3, 2013 15:32
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gimpfarfar posted:Reuters is currently streaming live from Tahrir Square on their liveblog: Thanks! Also the Egyptian Military really seems to get this social networking thing! Reuters Splash quote:Egypt army general command currently meeting with religious, national, political and youth figures: army Facebook page
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Jul 3, 2013 15:37
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Friend of mine is in front of the Presidential Guard HQ, protesting for Morsi to step down. Hope he stays safe.
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Jul 3, 2013 15:47
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From the Guardianquote:The presidency issued a statement on its Facebook page moments ago, reasserting Morsi's right to the office and accusing the opposition of rejecting dialogue – an inflammatory assertion. The statement in Arabic is here. Al Jazeera's Rawya Rageh has been tweeting a translation: Oh Morsi you shouldn't have allowed comments to be enabled. 
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Jul 3, 2013 15:55
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gfanikf posted:From the Guardian My god. I once joked about FB marriage statuses being elevated to legal standing, but now we have a country on the edge of a breakdown of democracy and order and the head of the government is communicating their position through Facebook posts.
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Jul 3, 2013 15:59
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gfanikf posted:From the Guardian Third comment is noting but  over and over again. Which one of you assholes is doing that?
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Jul 3, 2013 16:03
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Zeroisanumber posted:Third comment is noting but Personally I wanted to call Salfist's a bunch of Jews...among other things. But my account is actually mine and I rather not be a cause of bloodshed...for once.
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Jul 3, 2013 16:08
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I woke up after two hours of sleep following a long night shift so I could watch this unfold on Al Jazeera.
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Jul 3, 2013 16:13
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I'm sorry to be That Guy but all the news stories have been failing me miserably on this one basic question: Why are the Egyptians so mad at Morsi in the first place? By all accounts I've found the elections were open and fair.
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Jul 3, 2013 16:15
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Breaking: Turkey is seizing construction work on Taksim Square according to Al Jazeera.
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Jul 3, 2013 16:16
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gimpfarfar posted:Reuters is currently streaming live from Tahrir Square on their liveblog:  That is a whole lot of people.
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Jul 3, 2013 16:17
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CapnAndy posted:I'm sorry to be That Guy but all the news stories have been failing me miserably on this one basic question: Why are the Egyptians so mad at Morsi in the first place? By all accounts I've found the elections were open and fair. The way I understand it is he has let security throughout the country go completely to poo poo, while expending his energy passing crappy laws to pander to Islamists. And apparently the Egyptian economy is still awful due in part to those 2 things, and he has done nothing to try and address it.
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Jul 3, 2013 16:17
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CapnAndy posted:I'm sorry to be That Guy but all the news stories have been failing me miserably on this one basic question: Why are the Egyptians so mad at Morsi in the first place? By all accounts I've found the elections were open and fair. Here's a good article on this very subject. Also, just because you're elected for one term, does not mean you won't have to pack up your poo poo and leave if you screw up: quote:It's not the economy, stupid. It is not just about the fuel shortages, power outages, deteriorating economy or soaring prices. Western media rarely, if ever, mention the Muslim Brotherhood's assault on Egyptian identity, culture and way of life as a core cause of protests. Could something so intangible motivate such massive demonstrations? http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/07/egyptian-identity-stupid.html
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CapnAndy posted:I'm sorry to be That Guy but all the news stories have been failing me miserably on this one basic question: Why are the Egyptians so mad at Morsi in the first place? By all accounts I've found the elections were open and fair. Got in, bumbled around for a year and did nothing to improve economy/power shortages/crime while building up his personal power and instituted dumb Islamic routed laws I think
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CapnAndy posted:I'm sorry to be That Guy but all the news stories have been failing me miserably on this one basic question: Why are the Egyptians so mad at Morsi in the first place? By all accounts I've found the elections were open and fair. Monopolization of legislative and executive power, marginalization of most political groups birthed out of the revolution, use of an unrepresentative upper house of parliament (previously only served an advisory function) majority controlled by the MB to set an MB-tailored constitution, extreme incompetence in dealing with political and social issues, extreme incompetence in dealing with economic issues, massive incessant power outages all over Egypt, extreme fuel shortage over the two weeks prior to the start of the protests, bungling the situation with Ethiopia's Nile River dam and embarrassing the country/administration to no end.
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gimpfarfar posted:Here's a good article on this very subject. Also, just because you're elected for one term, does not mean you won't have to pack up your poo poo and leave if you screw up:
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Jul 3, 2013 16:31
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CapnAndy posted:That is very good, but it leads to my other question: Was just voting this prick out not an option? In another 3 years?
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Jul 3, 2013 16:34
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CapnAndy posted:That is very good, but it leads to my other question: Was just voting this prick out not an option? Well, I think the main aim with protests like these in general is to bring on a new election, or change, in a peaceful way - atleast that would be the ideal case. They are calling for Morsi to resign and to have new elections, aren't they?
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Jul 3, 2013 16:35
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silvergoose posted:In another 3 years? Yeah it's a four year term but they forgot to add in a lemon provision.
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Jul 3, 2013 16:38
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etalian posted:Yeah it's a four year term but they forgot to add in a lemon provision. On the one hand this is really neat -- God knows it'd be nice if Americans would take to the streets loving ever, but on the other hand at some point Egypt needs to handle bad leaders democratically, not with mob rule and asking the army to fix everything for them. Hopefully they get it right this time.
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CapnAndy posted:I'm sorry to be That Guy but all the news stories have been failing me miserably on this one basic question: Why are the Egyptians so mad at Morsi in the first place? By all accounts I've found the elections were open and fair. Stuff has gone to poo poo. My friend is Egyptian (living here, but visiting Egypt in a week or two) and she says that stuff like electricity is a lot less reliable than it was during Mubarak's era.
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Ham posted:Monopolization of legislative and executive power, marginalization of most political groups birthed out of the revolution, use of an unrepresentative upper house of parliament (previously only served an advisory function) majority controlled by the MB to set an MB-tailored constitution, extreme incompetence in dealing with political and social issues, extreme incompetence in dealing with economic issues, massive incessant power outages all over Egypt, extreme fuel shortage over the two weeks prior to the start of the protests, bungling the situation with Ethiopia's Nile River dam and embarrassing the country/administration to no end. Yep. I wish there was a way to copy/paste in real life conversation because every time my friends ask me I'd like to just say this. Got a ton of family taking part in the protests. Fingers crossed things don't turn too bloody but I'm not particularly optimistic.
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