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ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos

SSNeoman posted:

I have no knowledge of tactics or military but judging from the comments and where YPG is hitting them would it be fair to say that they're gonna dig in for a battle of attrition?

ISIS can't really fight a "battle of attrition," at least in the conventual sense ISIS basically relies on gaps in enemy defenses. They have never won a pitched offensive battle.

The reason that they are so slow to advance against is;

1) they don't form static lines of defense, or rather, when they do they simply fall back to the major cities and leave snipers and mines behind to hinder advances. A guy can hide in the basement for 3 weeks and cause massive damage to the rear.

2) the SAA and especially the YPG don't have the manpower to ignore these pockets, every hamlet and farm is turned into a booby trap or snipers nest that all need to be cleared before advances can happen. ISIS can hold back a larger force with a fraction of the troops.

3) SVIEDs and IEDs when you have one road to go down a single vehicle or roadside bomb can halt an advance for hours.

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Bates
Jun 15, 2006

rear end struggle posted:

ISIS can't really fight a "battle of attrition," at least in the conventual sense ISIS basically relies on gaps in enemy defenses. They have never won a pitched offensive battle.

They took the SAA to school when they went for Al Tabqa.

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos

Bates posted:

They took the SAA to school when they went for Al Tabqa.

But again, there the SAA was surrounded after the majority of troops retreated rather than fighting. It was less of a pitched battle and more of a disorganized withdrawal that ended in a massacre.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

rear end struggle posted:

But again, there the SAA was surrounded after the majority of troops retreated rather than fighting. It was less of a pitched battle and more of a disorganized withdrawal that ended in a massacre.

There was some fairly heavy fighting when they were steamrolling through Rojava and Sinjar simultaneously before US airstrikes started.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/SyriaGeneral/status/833793715093245952

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

I wonder what either side would think if Russia gets bored helping them and the other is plowed under by their enemies? Also, :lol: at Russian puppets sending each other presents.

Saladin Rising
Nov 12, 2016

When there is no real hope we must
mint our own. If the coin be
counterfeit it may still be passed.

If you hear very loud screaming coming from the direction of Ankara soon, here's why:
https://twitter.com/BarzanSadiq/status/834507532592902145

quote:

#US Central command commander Joseph Votel to visit #Kobani, will ensure #US support to #SDF in their assault on #Raqqah.
Covert, secret visits? Nah just do it publicly, nobody cares anymore.

Related, John McCain did a similar visit:
http://ktar.com/story/1468304/john-mccain-made-secret-syria-trip-meet-american-kurdish-officials/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mccain-makes-secret-trip-to-syria-in-midst-of-u-s-assessment-1487795458

quote:

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) secretly traveled to northern Syria last weekend to speak with American military officials and Kurdish fighters at the forefront of the push to drive Islamic State out of their de facto capital of Raqqa, according to U.S. officials. The unusual visit, which officials said was organized with the help of the U.S. military, came as the Trump administration is debating plans for an accelerated military campaign against Islamic State, also known by the acronyms ISIS and ISIL.

Mr. McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, first traveled to rebel-controlled Syria in 2013, when he met with leaders of the Free Syrian Army, the umbrella group supported by America and its allies. This was believed to be his first visit to Syria since then.

U.S. officials familiar with Mr. McCain’s trip said that the senator traveled to Kobani, the Syrian town on the Turkey border controlled by Kurdish forces since 2012. In a statement, Mr. McCain’s office confirmed that a trip took place, saying the senator “traveled to northern Syria this week to visit U.S. forces deployed there and to discuss the counter-ISIL campaign and ongoing operations to retake Raqqa.”

The short visit came in the middle of a regional trip that took Mr. McCain from Saudi Arabia to Turkey, where he discussed evolving plans to counter Islamic State in the Middle East.

After traveling to Syria, Mr. McCain met with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the Turkish capital. Mr. Erdogan is pushing the Trump administration to sideline the Kurdish fighters that U.S. military leaders view as a vital ally in the fight against Islamic State.

It is rare for U.S. politicians to travel to Syria. Last month, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), secretly traveled to Damascus, where she held a controversial meeting with President Bashar al-Assad. Last year, Brett McGurk, America’s special envoy for the international coalition to defeat ISIS, traveled to Kobani and met with Kurdish fighters, creating an uproar in Turkey.

Ankara views the U.S.-backed Kurdish forces in Syria as terrorists aligned with Kurdish separatists in Turkey embroiled in a yearslong battle for more autonomy. Mr. Erdogan and other Turkish leaders criticized Mr. McGurk after he was photographed receiving a plaque from a leader of the Syrian Kurdish force.

Mr. McGurk, who was asked by the Trump administration to stay on in his job, is in the thick of a debate over when and how to launch an assault on Raqqa. President Donald Trump has asked the U.S. military to present him with a new plan to destroy Islamic State, and the report is supposed to be finished by the end of the month. Central to the debate is whether or not to rely on Kurdish forces to take Raqqa, a city with a Sunni majority that is likely to be wary of Kurdish control.

U.S. officials involved in the debate say that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to launch a successful assault on Raqqa in the coming months without working with Kurdish forces. Turkish leaders have been pushing the Trump administration to sideline the Kurdish fighters, but they have not presented a viable alternative plan, U.S. officials said.
The loving 21st century man. We have a reality TV star as president, and we've got an old-school anti-communist Republican Senator getting the US military to transport him to a meeting with a bunch of US-friendly communists.

Not only does publicly known meeting not destroy McCain's career like it would have 40 years ago, you can even contact McCain's office to get official confirmation that yeah he totally met with the SDF.

Ikasuhito
Sep 29, 2013

Haram as Fuck.

Well if any of you were looking for a chance to fight for the mighty lion Assad, from the comfort of your own home, now you have the chance. The very tasteful Syrian Warfare has just been released.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A should work fine as the Kobani code, right?

Uncle Kitchener
Nov 18, 2009

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Mozi posted:

↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A should work fine as the Kobani code, right?

Metal Gear Solid VI confirmed.

"Set in the country of middle-east, David Snake, a clone of the legendary Big Boss is set to uncover a plot in the war torn country involving a new ittiration of the legendary weapon, Metal Gear. With the help of a mysterious Kurdish sniper codenamed 'Silence' and a rag tag team of international espionage specialists, he'll have to infiltrate the fortress of Al-Behesht to stop a global nuclear war."

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Ikasuhito posted:

Well if any of you were looking for a chance to fight for the mighty lion Assad, from the comfort of your own home, now you have the chance. The very tasteful Syrian Warfare has just been released.

I really don't get why making a game about this conflict is any worse than making a game about any other conflict. It's not like gaming has shied away from exploring other recent conflicts like the war on terror.in general, or even Iraq specifically. It seems like there's at least some desire to humanize the conflict, so it doesn't seem any more exploitative than anything else in the genre to me.

Kim Jong Il
Aug 16, 2003

Sinteres posted:


Efrin seems to be their next target, so I wish them continued struggles. I wonder if Turkey's going to occupy Northern Syria as long as they've occupied Northern Cyprus.

This is one area where Trump being an unhinged crazy person could be good, especially with Flynn gone. Pull a Taiwan and get him on the phone with Ocalan pledging arms to the PKK, and pull a Yemen raid and say that Obama would have never had the guts to do this.

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos

Ikasuhito posted:

Well if any of you were looking for a chance to fight for the mighty lion Assad, from the comfort of your own home, now you have the chance. The very tasteful Syrian Warfare has just been released.

Holy poo poo. http://steamcommunity.com/stats/485980/achievements

look at the achievments.

"stop the ambulance provocation"

"Do not allow the false flag operation with the bus to happen."

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

rear end struggle posted:

Holy poo poo. http://steamcommunity.com/stats/485980/achievements

look at the achievments.

"stop the ambulance provocation"

"Do not allow the false flag operation with the bus to happen."

hahahahahahaha

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

rear end struggle posted:

Holy poo poo. http://steamcommunity.com/stats/485980/achievements

look at the achievments.

"stop the ambulance provocation"

"Do not allow the false flag operation with the bus to happen."

Okay yeah gently caress that game. I think a game about the Syrian civil war could be fine, but this one doesn't appear to be.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Kataib Hezbollah attack on Tel Afaar.

ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxNVwNcCTqw

NSFW dead people

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Throatwarbler posted:

Kataib Hezbollah attack on Tel Afaar.

ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxNVwNcCTqw

NSFW dead people
I'm afraid my Arabic isn't so grand, who are they killing?

Also 'Stop the ambulance provocation', gently caress those guys. What's the deal with the bus, though? Ol' Assad murder some schoolboys?

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos

WarpedNaba posted:

I'm afraid my Arabic isn't so grand, who are they killing?

Also 'Stop the ambulance provocation', gently caress those guys. What's the deal with the bus, though? Ol' Assad murder some schoolboys?

guessing it's a timed objective where israel/isis/cnn blows up a bus and blames you

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
No, I mean what real-life event is that supposed to be spinning about.

ecureuilmatrix
Mar 30, 2011
This does not reflect well on the TAF/FSA:

Three months of fighting:




Also, these images of SDF forces from different fronts meeting up are starting to become commonplace:
https://twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/834450463244349442

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Ikasuhito posted:

Well if any of you were looking for a chance to fight for the mighty lion Assad, from the comfort of your own home, now you have the chance. The very tasteful Syrian Warfare has just been released.

So I wonder if they'll make a prequel to this game where you can order the soldiers to fire on protestors that want evil freedom and democracy?

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
In the DLC you have to try to defend against NATO jets dropping daisy cutters on hospitals in Aleppo.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Sinteres posted:

Okay yeah gently caress that game. I think a game about the Syrian civil war could be fine, but this one doesn't appear to be.

I think I saw on Twitter a modern FPS/TPS being developed about the Syrian civil war where you would play a female Kurdish or Yadizi soldier fighting ISIS.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Young Freud posted:

I think I saw on Twitter a modern FPS/TPS being developed about the Syrian civil war where you would play a female Kurdish or Yadizi soldier fighting ISIS.

I would be morbidly curious to see how Activision would work with something like that.

Volkerball
Oct 15, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Probably by sexualizing them like everyone else does.

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos
Or doing the stupid islamophobic meme of "if they kill by a woman- then no heaven!" That got played up in the news a while back.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
So I looked it up and of course the game was made in Russia

ass struggle
Dec 25, 2012

by Athanatos
Hey at least one part seems accurate!

quote:

- AI needs a lot of work with units often ignoring commands, withdrawing for an unknown reason, shooting at targets they can't see etc.

ecureuilmatrix
Mar 30, 2011
Surprise quickening everywhere!

https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/834732988818653184
Seems like a deal for Daesh retreat was reached, a wise choice for everyone involved. Now let's see what Turkey does next and how the Assad, SDF, US, respond.

Mosul airport already!
https://twitter.com/iraqi_day/status/834706430917750784

And the usual SDF thing:
https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/834728251453014017

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

ecureuilmatrix posted:

Seems like a deal for Daesh retreat was reached, a wise choice for everyone involved. Now let's see what Turkey does next and how the Assad, SDF, US, respond.

I guess they fell back to Raqqa. As for Turkey's next move, obviously, attack the SDF while they're busy with Raqqa.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Cat Mattress posted:

I guess they fell back to Raqqa. As for Turkey's next move, obviously, attack the SDF while they're busy with Raqqa.

I wonder if the SAA would stay out of that fight. They can work out a deal for Kurdish autonomy or just stomp the YPG after the war's over a lot easier than they can push the Ottomans back across their border in areas they occupy, so they have good reason to limit Turkish advances. Russia's been pretty pro-YPG too, and while I wouldn't expect them to start bombing Turkish forces outright, we might see a few more "accidents" like the one that happened near Al-Bab a week or two ago if the FSA and SAA start clashing in the north.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Some kind of NATO terrorist propaganda film on then way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MwvaA0VYqE

https://twitter.com/RealityofSyria/status/834838241224355840

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Feb 23, 2017

Uncle Kitchener
Nov 18, 2009

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I've seen a couple of adverts online aimed at UK Muslim youth to deter further shifts to ISIS.

Funny enough it played before a Quran Reloaded video, the least likely type of thing they'd be looking for on YouTube, but I do suppose they're using some search algorithm for finding any relevant online videos with tags like 'quran' or 'islam'.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
More footage from PMU in Tel Afaar

h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIQMioUPWNk

NSFW: IS fighters getting got.

cancelope
Sep 23, 2010

The cops want to search the train
Turkish pilot sprinkling salt on El Bab:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrtcnBozkurt1/status/834871275545829381/video/1

What a time to be alive :(

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Iraqi air force is now bombing IS in Abu Kamal, inside Syria.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
IS drone drops bomb on vehicle carrying ammo.

https://twitter.com/CT_operative/status/835121939710627840

Radio Prune
Feb 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/sommervillebbc/status/834986351233761280

https://twitter.com/PurpleOlive2/status/835061063792082944

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


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ecureuilmatrix
Mar 30, 2011
Sommerville is the fellow to follow.

https://twitter.com/sommervillebbc/status/835015501818507264
https://twitter.com/sommervillebbc/status/835023113448484866

Breaking through:
https://twitter.com/sommervillebbc/status/835108981819473920
https://twitter.com/sommervillebbc/status/835108982272507904

:psyduck: I think the loader is there to carry the driver's balls.

Good dog!
https://twitter.com/sommervillebbc/status/835132566126661633

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