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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Brown Moses posted:


Gaddafi reared his head:

quote:

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi said in an audio recording broadcast on state television on Friday that he was in a place where NATO cannot reach and kill him.

“I am telling the coward crusaders that I am at a place you cannot reach and kill me,” he said in the recording broadcast on al-Jamahiriya television.


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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Xandu posted:

Great posts, Brown Moses, but they're called imams not imans.

iMams :colbert:

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


See:Caro

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Brown Moses posted:

Reuters has a short bit on psychological warfare being used at the moment:
Probably Compass Call which is loving awesome.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


King Dopplepopolos posted:

To plagiarize Joe Biden, any sentence uttered by Ben Stein has three things: a noun, a verb and Hitler.
Oh yeah. Biden might not be the most tactful guy ever, but stuff like this is awesome.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


A Winner is Jew posted:

I think he could go to other nations that haven't signed the treaty for the ICC. :patriot: :haw:
We signed it, we just haven't ratified it. Of course that puts us on par with countries like Sudan and Russia :barf:

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Mr. Sunshine posted:

But by that reasoning people fighting for human rights in Belarus, Iran, North Korea, China etc etc are pro-american imperialists. That's the problem - if the only defining property of a state is its attitude to America, then the crimes of that state are irrelevant and anyone pointing out those crimes is simply a shill for the opposing side. Such a worldview means that it's allright for a state to opress the poo poo out of its population as long as the state itself opposes the western imperialists.
It's a problem of black and white thinking. The opposition in Iran don't exactly love America, and the older among them can still remember the Shah. They're just a lot more worried about the current regime which is actively repressing them, then the external boogyman that we are to them (and them to us). They're not on "our" side, so much as they're on their own, and the ruling party paints as shilling out to us.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


quote:

Russia's ambassador to France, Alexander Orlov, said the Nato campaign has gone "too far." As a result, he said, Russia did not intend to support a UN resolution warning Syria about its crackdown on anti-government protesters.
:allears: Russia.....

Casimir Radon fucked around with this message at 01:14 on May 27, 2011

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


ArchRanger posted:

What am I looking at here?
Grozny, Chechen Republic. Before and after Russia carpet-bombed it.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Gonkish posted:

Alright can someone shed some light on this Caro guy, for the unenlightened? I mean, obviously he's loving nuts, but I have never heard anything about him previously.
Caro showed up in GIP and started freaking out about the CIA and Qualcomm (Who he used to work for). He ended up getting permabanned for failing a mod challenge to provide proof that he'd sought psychiatric help. Then he showed up again earlier this month talking about how he was going to go to Libya, and now has apparently done so despite being counseled not to.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Don't do this Caro, you're seriously going to die if you try this. And not from CIA mind control drones either.

Just like I said (Caro) posted:

No I won't. This is happening. Deal with it.
His choice of username is very :ughh:

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Brown Moses posted:

Sky News sources are saying that Zuma and Gaddafi didn't even discuss an exit strategy for Gaddafi. I don't know why he bothered turning up.
It's Zuma, probably for lots and lots of unprotected sex.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Ace Oliveira posted:

How did they "check" that those girls weren't virgins?
Well "virginity check" sounds a lot like code words for rape.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


dj_clawson posted:

My final hours of Gaddaffi involve him in his burned-out compound, throwing every available rock and falling plaster at the oncoming British troops.
I think it's going to look something like this.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Lascivious Sloth posted:

There was also speculation that he was staying at the Rixos Hotel because that is the last place NATO would bomb, what with everyone knowing that all Western journalists are housed there.
I saw him at the ice machine like 5 minutes ago.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


LYE-OONS posted:

Besides, you have to be some sort of paranoid moron to think that being Canadian will remarkably improve someone's opinion of you.
Not being outright hated is a pretty good goal.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Oh Fidel :allears: Still clinging to relevancy, even if you'd have it at the expense of Libyan and Syrian civilians.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


US Ambassador Robert Ford gets pelted with tomatoes in Damascus. There are so many people in the US government who deserve to be treated like this, unfortunately Robert Ford is not one of them.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Wsobchak posted:

Ah, great, assasinating a US citizen without trial. Even Nazis got their day in the court.
If we'd captured him and dragged him into a courtroom it would turn into "The US invaded a foreign country and renditioned somebody, and hurt they hurt his feelings too" :cry:

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Golbez posted:

Want to kill people in another country, either get the other country to do it or declare war and invade.
Yemen doesn't exactly have a government right now. Boo hoo.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


While giving him over to the ICC would have been preferable I can't say I feel the least bit bad about what happened to him. I'm sure it's very easy to be all :colbert: "nobody deserves to be executed", while you safely sit behind your computer screens in the first world, having never experienced any real oppression in your life. If any of you whiners had ever experienced anything of the sort that the rebels have all of your life, I'm not confident that you wouldn't be tempted to shoot that very evil man in the face.

grumperfish posted:

I agree that that's a huge (and worrying, given the attack on the embassy) part of it, but his reasoning was that "they don't understand democracy so they need a dictator to stomp on them" (his words).
Sounds remarkably like what Republicans are fond of saying about Muslims.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Warcabbit posted:

So, what's next? Kurdistan issues are heating up. What happens if Turkey/Iraq light on fire?
Balkans are getting a little bit testy. Some Serbian motherfuckers can't seem to grasp why their Muslim neighbors don't want to share a country with them anymore, personally I think it has something to do with how they tried to exterminate them, but what do I know?

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


ZombieLenin posted:

Ghaddafi was an rear end, but how nice that the United States is again involved in the summary execution of a high value POW. Nicely done.
How about you pull a Caro, and go tell these men what horrible puppets of the West they are, and how much restraint you would have shown if you'd caught the bad man.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


de_dust2 posted:

I'm not a troll, so I ask who do you believe? The mainstream media or an independent journalist? I tend to believe the one that doesn't lie to me every time I turn on the TV, manufacturing consent for the "war on terror" when the greatest terrorists out there are clearly our own government.
And I ask, if this was truly a humanitarian effort, where were we for the past forty years!?
Russia Today is independent journalism? I've been so wrong!

Counterpoint

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


awesome-express posted:

Oh god this is going to be a fun topic when I visit him. I tried explaining some valid points, but nope, he knows better and supports the Russian media's opinion 100%. I still don't understand how Russia has these weird political views, especially when the evidence and numerous facts state otherwise. :psyduck:
Why they didn't decide to reverse policy once it was clear Gaddafi was probably going to lose is beyond me. Whining that your oil interests are probably going to get kicked out of the country when you tried your damnedest to keep the international community from stepping in is pretty asinine.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Rosscifer posted:

Gaddafi update: http://gizmodo.com/5852109/holy-crap-qaddafis-corpse-is-being-stored-in-a-freezer-at-a-mall

He's in a freezer in Misrata.
Somebody send the rebels some popsicles, there's comedic photos that need to be taken.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Bolivar posted:

Yeah yeah, but you can't build your own Tokyo or New York or Bali into some compound in Libya. I'm going a bit offtopic of course, just wondering if he really basically just spent time in his desert country with his 200 billion...
Well it probably wasn't terribly boring chilling in his tent while the voice in his head suggested new things to have gold-plated.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


etalian posted:

Nice Pic of his famous Rice stalker pic album:

There are going to be all kinds of awesome/bizarre family heirlooms distributed across Libya now.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


agrielaios posted:

Could anyone recommend sources to read about recent 40 years in Libya? I was looking around for information about what the situation in Libya was pre recent events to get the idea as to what were the reasons for the uprising, and found some facts:

1. Electricity for household use is free
2. interest-free loans
3. during the study, government give to every student 2 300 $/month
4. receives the average salary for this profession if you do not find a job after graduation,
5. the state has paid for to work in the profession,
6. every unemployed person receives social assistance 15,000 $/year,
7. for marriage state pays first apartment or house (150m2),
8. buying cars at factory prices,
9. LIBYA not owe anyone a cent,
10. free higher education abroad,
11. 25% of highly educated,
12. 40 loaves of bread costs $ 0.15,
13. water in the middle of the desert, drinking water,
14. 8 dinars per liter of oil (0.08 EUR),
15. 6% poor people,
16. for each infant, the couple received $ 5,000 for their needs.

That's confusing.
Kim Jung-Il facts
1. Controls the weather
2. Is a worldwide fashion trendsetter
3. Doesn't pee like everyone else

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


zalderach posted:

It's really hard for them to wrap their head around the fact that NATO was involved and something good actually came out of it.
You think that's funny, watch them try to vilify NATO for stopping the Serbs from exterminating the Ethnic Albanians. You don't get much more net-positive than that, but they'll fight that till they're blue in the face too, never realizing how comically extremist they've become. Hopefully Libya turns out well in the end, although they'd never acknowledge it.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Hey Gaddafi could you stop bombing us for a few minutes here? We're trying to come to a freshman-sociology approved consensus here about what we should do about you bombing and raping us.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Bulky Brute posted:

Simply, because they didn't. Some people have actual political principles that won't be swayed by the liberal war cheerleading over the 'humanitarian' destruction and pillage of Libya.
Finely honed in your parent's basement no doubt.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


The revolution will not be the way my dogmatic little reptile brain wants it to be.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Pon de Bundy posted:

So I was in class when Gaddafi just started killing protesters with AA guns, in February? Some kids were saying how bad they felt for the Libyans and if possible they would go fight for them! I wish I had known how easy it was, they could have been like our dear crazy friend.
Caro didn't make the leap to weapon toting right off the bat. He showed up in GIP back in May with a new account, asking for advice for his trip to Libya as a war correspondent. At the time it's not really clear if intended to become an amateur surgeon because he was claiming the medical supplies were for his own personal use. I wish I'd saved the pictures he posted of his gasmask, and giving himself an IV, so I could send them along to NPR. He was hosting them from his Facebook, which it seems he's since deleted, oops.

EDIT:

Casimir Radon posted:

Oh and make sure to bring a gun and wave it around Scott O'Grady style.
Oh poo poo, I hope I didn't instigate this. :ohdear:

Casimir Radon fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Oct 26, 2011

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Ze Pollack posted:

Well, considering how the last two times we deposed a set of lunatic tyrants we did accomplish somehow making the deposed nations worse off, it's really just hoping we reverse the trend at this point.
Slobodan Milošević :ssh:

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Ze Pollack posted:

Right, silly me.

The last -three- times.
The Balkans are not worse off now. Unless you think ethnic cleansing is super cool.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Nenonen posted:

Are 'we' the Serbian people now? Then who is the other one? :confused:
Not particularly willingly. Look at the hissy fit they threw when Ratko Mladić finally was captured. He was an unambiguous war criminal responsible for the deaths of thousands, and he was living pretty much right out in the open.


eSports Chaebol posted:

The problem is that NATO kind of did think it was super cool--if the right people were doing it. NATO actually did have peacekeepers on the ground and they mostly stood by and watched as Kosovars expelled most of the Serbs from Kosovo. Then again, there aren't NATO troops in Libya to stop or allow reprisals anyway, so the comparison isn't terribly relevant.

Also even Wesley Clark admitted that most of Milosevic's ethnic cleansing started as a response to the bombing campaign.
You try to exterminate a people and build camps dedicated to raping them, so they expel you from the country. The nerve of some people.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Nuclearmonkee posted:

I too believe that when dictators summarily execute, imprison, and torture their own citizens they are "defending their country against foreign aggression"
That's generally the justification the dictator uses as well.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


VanSandman posted:

Jesus, somebody go and stop Caro. Don't we have any other war tourist goons?
Supposedly he's back in the US. Hopefully somebody from the government talks to him, and recommends treatment.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


How long till Caro posts "We are not in Geneva!"

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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Cable Guy posted:

That will not go down well.





I look forward to that video.
Why, here it is now!

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