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Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Holy Jesus, the military and the mercenaries are actually bombing the poo poo outta Tripoli. It's Scorched Earth there, now.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 17:45

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# ¿ Jul 18, 2025 15:22

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

I wonder if we could find images of what's happening in Libya right now. Even though there are no journalists in there right now, that doesn't mean that there aren't any people filming what's happening or taking pictures.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 18:13

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Nonsense posted:

They're showing footage on AJE of auto-cannon shells scattered across the landscape. Those are from the jet fighters being employed against protesters.

Not just fighter jets, but anti-aircraft guns and helicopters as well. Gaddafi is using everything he has. Mercenaries, the air force, armored vehicles and much more. He's using everything.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 18:34

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

korranus posted:

Just dreaming aloud I'll stop

Fantasizing about war isn't exactly a good thing, you know.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 19:08

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Darth123123 posted:

Really?! You think the world (including China, Russia, and other ME nations) would view our intervention positively? Irrespective of how quickly we left. Not a chance.

Gaddafi is commiting genocide, though. This would be more akin to the NATO intervention in Bosnia, than some gently caress up like Iraq or Afghanistan.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 19:53

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Darth123123 posted:

Yea there wasn't during Gulf I, but the bitching came about why we pulled back before toppling the regime. Then Gulf II where that was the objective (and WMD!), there was a shitstorm - true China/Russia/etc didn't stop us - but I question whether the US toppling a regime that kills its own people (ala Hussein) to stay in power would improve our perception in the world as folks here are saying.

The Iraqis weren't trying to topple Saddam's government themselves, though.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 20:03

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

IM_DA_DECIDER posted:

Also the shellshocked Lybian on BBC earlier talked of possibly Italian mercenaries but I don't really believe that.

In that picture of the mercenaries, some of them were white, but I figured that they were most likely South Africans or maybe even Balkan mercenaries.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 20:14

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Darth123123 posted:

What's the deal with the Army there? Egypt was brought out of chaos after they joined in. I think the best/quickest option is for that to happen sooner than later. Not foreign invasion. I heard several smaller factions not obeying, but how about Generals/etc?

The Generals are loyal to Gaddafi. They even call him "Dad" for gently caress's sake. That's why the air force is bombing the poo poo outta the city right now. They complied with Gaddafi's orders, unlike the Egyptian army during the protests.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 20:23

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

L-Boned posted:

Basically people who can't identify aircraft or are seeing what they want to believe.

Or they're just trolls.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 20:36

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

You know, it just dawned on me, but we don't know what's exactly happening in Tripoli right now. There's next to none information coming out of the country right now. We know nothing about the situation in Tripoli, except that the air force are pulling an Operation Rolling Thunder on anybody alive in there, while mercenaries kill any survivors. But from all we know, the army could be fighting alongside the protesters, or they could be helping the mercenaries. The protesters could be fighting back, or getting completely wasted by the mercenaries. We just don't know. All we can do is speculate.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 20:47

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

randombattle posted:

Im pretty sure that bombing the city is not the airforce fighting along side protesters.

I...didn't say that?

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 21:08

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Slantedfloors posted:

There's definitely some elements of the army that have already joined up with the protesters.

Even ignoring the reports of tanks being used to overrun police and mercenary positions (at the Benghazi airport, I think), there were Youtube videos of dead mercenaries with soldiers among the crowd explaining what was happening.

poo poo, I wonder if they're arming the protesters then. Al-Jazeera was talking about more mercenaries arriving in air planes in the Tripoli airport, I think. Maybe they were taking casualties and had to bring in reinforcements?

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 21:18

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Slantedfloors posted:

Pretty much.

As horrific and disgusting as the Libyan/Bahraini governments reaction to the protests and the number of people killed are, any revolutions have to be entirely internal if they're going to be perceived as legitimate. The point isn't just that they get a new government, it needs to be that the people were able to overthrow their rulers and demand their rights.

Well, we don't need to pull a full all out war against the Libyan military to help the protesters. We could do it diplomatically, or economically. We could help them. We don't need to invade the country to do it.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 22:14

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Uglycat posted:

It's likely the video and the rumor have the same source - and the claim seems credible, but remains unconfirmed.

I won't be surprised if they were using incendiary weapons too. Like napalm and white phosphorus.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 22:22

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Intel5 posted:

You are right and wrong at the same time. We wouldn't have to have a full war/invasion to help them. But diplomacy, and economics are not options. Gaddafi knows that he is on the way out, and he is dead set on leaving a pile of bodies as revenge.

Well, we could intervene militarily, but it would have to be small scale, and we would have to be extremely careful about it. We can't just invade the place.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 22:39

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

It seems like they're fighting back against the mercenaries and the Gaddafi loyalist troops. They have the police and a few army units on their side, which means they must be pretty well armed. Do we know how many army units sided with the protesters?

# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 14:26

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

drat, he sounds pissed. And I like how he's still wearing his sunglasses indoors.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 16:57

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Is he in a bunker? It sure does look like it.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 16:58

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Wasn't he just blaming the Italians a few minutes ago? Now he's blaming the United States and the United Kingdom. He belongs on an mental institution, not in charge of a country.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 17:02

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Hahahahaha, look at that loving statue. It's like something outta Mussolini's Italy.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 17:03

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Slantedfloors posted:

This is the worst Fuhrerbunker ever.

Too right, it looks like a basement. I thought a mad dictator like him would do better.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 17:11

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

So, when did Gaddafi's speech end? And how long was it? Because holy poo poo, it seemed like it was never going to end. It felt like eternity. Fortunately, God smiled upon me, and made my internet connection stop working for a few hours. I guess I was lucky.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 23:26

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

sweeptheleg posted:

Yea its so much horse poo poo.

Why would creating sanctions on a country that is going to be completely reshaped in the comming days do anything.

Gaddaffi doesnt give a poo poo he will be dead inside of a week from suicide or from protesters.

It doesn't even make sense. The Libyan politicians that sided with the protesters actually want a no-fly zone. But the UN doesn't want to do that. Are they afraid the loving Chinese and the goddamn Russians are going to veto the decision? gently caress them. If they don't even have the loving balls to even propose the idea of a no-fly zone, then they're completely loving useless.

# ¿ Feb 23, 2011 00:08

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Young Freud posted:

If everything Alex Jones and the NWO nutters said about the UN was true, I think I would probably respect them a lot more.

I wish they would go back to how they were in the 1950s. Intervening in the Korean War is probably the most useful thing they've ever done.

# ¿ Feb 23, 2011 00:11

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Nonsense posted:

To be frank, I don't even want military ground forces storming the shores of Tripoli or whatever, it just would have been nice to place a no fly zone, so the maniac can't send bombers and helicopters to buzz around and zap people expressing their displeasure with his existence.

loving Amen. That's exactly what the Libyan anti-Gaddafi politicians want. But the UN can't even do that, so gently caress 'em.

# ¿ Feb 23, 2011 00:17

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Cjones posted:

So if Ahmadinejad is "Dinner Jacket", what is this loving guy

Carpet.

At least that's what his clothes look like to me.

# ¿ Feb 23, 2011 00:37

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Do we have new information about the clashes in Tripoli? Did the protesters retreat or something? It's weird that there has been a lull in the news coming from Tripoli.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2011 18:15

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Brown Moses posted:

Apparently the earlier retreat from Brega by the rebels was part of a cunning trap while resulted in them capturing loads of Gaddafi forces.

Hahaha, those clever motherfuckers. It seems like they've regrouped and reorganized. If they keep it up, they'll take over their previously lost cities in no time.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2011 23:35

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Al-Saqr posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdkZJqqmKCo

For one fleeting moment, every one of these people thought they were going to be free, for one small moment they thought that they can finally vote in their representatives, have fair trials, have jobs, have decent education, have an opportunity to build their country and use it's vast oil reserves to turn this loarge land with a small population into something amazing.

Very soon, they will all be dead. or wishing they were.

I feel like crying.

And nobody will call out the Saudi goverment on their horrible atrocities, because of their massive oil production. Nobody will try to stop them.

They are untouchable.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2011 14:31

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Brown Moses posted:

If Misrata is anything to go by his plan is to pound the poo poo out of Benghazi and kill as many people as possible.

He'll have to be quick about it, though. The No Fly Zone we'll go into effect soon, and if he takes as long as he did in Misrata, his troops will be hosed. Hell, aren't Gaddafi's forces still bombing Misrata?

# ¿ Mar 18, 2011 21:16

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Does anyone know if the US is sitting this one out? Are they going to enforce the No Fly Zone along with the Europeans or not?

Also, Al Jazeera just said that the Turks are going to join the No Fly Zone now.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2011 13:29

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

FlamingLiberal posted:

Is the US supposed to be participating in the No-Fly Zone? Or are we just going to lob cruise missiles at Libya?

A Al Jazeera reporter said live that the US Government is stepping up their participation in the NFZ, not only on a support level, but also on a direct level. It seems like they'll be taking part on the attacks against Gaddafi's forces, but that could change.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2011 20:24

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Brown Moses posted:

From Twitter:

Payback is a motherfucker.

I've not seen any new footage out of Libya since the No Fly Zone's gone into effect. Did the news teams on the ground just bug out before the NZF had gone into effect?

# ¿ Mar 19, 2011 21:30

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Brown Moses posted:

Ziwayah
From http://twitter.com/OmarAlmu5tar:

Oh christ. How big was Ziwayah's population? It can't be too big if Gaddafi's forces have cleansed the town completely.

# ¿ Mar 22, 2011 00:24

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Brown Moses posted:

Misrata

Goddamn it. What the gently caress are the UN forces doing right now? They gotta do something about this. If they take too long, in a few days Misrata is gonna be invaded by Gaddafi's forces and they'll get slaughtered. They're already running low on medicine.

# ¿ Mar 22, 2011 13:50

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Do we have any confirmation about Gaddafi's postions outside of Misrata getting bombed to poo poo? The response seems a bit too quick for the NATO Coalition.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2011 20:56

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

evilweasel posted:

The siege of Misrata has been going on for some time.

I don't mean the Gaddafi troops in general. I mean the ones that have just been sent to the area, the ones who are bombing the Red Cross camps.

Hell, the siege has been lifted a few times already, mostly when Gaddafi's forces outside the city have been bombed. It's just that Gadddafi keeps sending more troops to replace them afterwards.

By now, he's just sending more of his men into certain death.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2011 21:30

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

I wonder if those militias just bugged out and ran away, or if they were sent to Sirte by Gaddafi. It looks like what will happen in Sirte will be some harsh poo poo.

If the rebels take Sirte, then they can encircle Tripoli, right?

# ¿ Mar 27, 2011 14:14

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Michael Scott posted:

Not sure if this is a repost, but I found some extremely gorey footage from the bloody Friday in Syria: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=224_1303590464

We take so much for granted in developed nations.. the disparity that the world unfortunately has and is being displayed is just staggering

a quote from the Battlefield 3 (set in 2014) trailer comes to mind:
"How did this part of the world get to be so hosed up?"
"I don't know, Dave, I just work here"

Is there any chance things will blow up in Syria now that Assad is outright murdering people? This is the same sort of poo poo that happened in Libya back in february.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2011 15:30

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# ¿ Jul 18, 2025 15:22

Ace Oliveira: Dec 27, 2009; "I wonder if there is beer on the sun."

Paradox Personified posted:

That's what I was referring to, there's been a lot there since early April that's spread all over the internet.

Where's Nasufa? I haven't heard anything about that city.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2011 19:08

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