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Lascivious Sloth posted:God I hope this is a troll. Even if I wouldn't go so far to say that America's corporatist policies are a regime by any measure, it would be nice to see some positive changes come out of this in the western world.
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AA is for Quitters posted:If obama loses to a tea-party type in 2012, we just may. Are people really that oblivious to it in the US? I mean, here (in Canada) I've encountered people who are at least fairly knowledgable about it everywhere. And I don't mean just places like university; I also mean places like my parent's church or the thrift store I volunteer at on Saturdays (it's run by a sweet old conservative protestant family, and they all support the protesters). But nobody at your workplace was aware of this?
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Apology posted:Preliminary reports that the people in Iraq are rising too: Um, did you just quote costofwar.com? Because they said the wars cost over 1 quadrillion dollars since 2001. There's no possible way that could be correct. So could someone qualify or clarify this figure? EDIT: My bad, I thought that was 775 trillion, not 775 billion. Lustful Man Hugs fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Feb 18, 2011 |
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Spiky Ooze posted:All these people still out there despite having some of the most threatening dictators in the world willing to attack them... this whole series of events is something truly once in a lifetime. And yet it's happening multiple times in the span of a month. Just watching these events take place has been enough to completely restore my faith in humanity, and then some.
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Feb 18, 2011 16:20
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Cull posted:I know I'm being ridiculous but I would love it some 5th Fleet commander went rogue and drove a triage boat straight the gently caress in there to take on casualties. Or a Patrol Boat could invoke the machine spirit of the U.S.S. Samuel B. Roberts and take on the entire Bahraini military by itself (which would still be less badass than what the original ship did).
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Feb 18, 2011 20:08
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Samurai Sanders posted:My god this event is everything right and wrong with humanity at the same time. Why, what's wrong with it?
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Feb 19, 2011 20:13
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Brown Moses posted:Protesters being shot to death and crushed to death by tanks. Oh I see; I thought you were referring to the picture specifically and not the story around the picture.
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Feb 19, 2011 21:26
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Wait, so there are undersupplied protesters in Libya fighting against an enemy with many more tanks? Where's Ghost Rommel when we need him? 
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Feb 20, 2011 18:41
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Limbo posted:He just needed something to tie it all together...perhaps some kind of chalkboard. Dude, you owe me a new keyboard. But seriously, I could imagine Glenn Beck as a totalitarian leader, and it horrifies me a lot.
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Feb 21, 2011 03:58
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What the hell is this? Some sort of 'If I can't have it, nobody can' mentality from a crushed half-insane dictator?
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Feb 21, 2011 17:44
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Cjones posted:How many Saudis are actually poor? I thought most of them were expats from around the region... Right, and like has been said in this thread before, an expatriate opposition movement would be snuffed without the slightest hint of mercy.
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Feb 21, 2011 18:07
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Is there anyone I can email on the national (Canadian) or international level to do something about this? Hell it doesn't even need to be a body that I'm a part of, I just want to do something - anything - that can help.
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Feb 21, 2011 19:48
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What if a less hated country like Canada or Denmark intervened?
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Feb 21, 2011 23:20
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Nckdictator posted:I have a feeling there's going to be some hilarious back-peddeling in the next few weeks I think in most cases, it's just that most people had no idea he was capable of this. It's like you have an annoying kid that you babysit, and you expect him to annoy you and create tedious problems, but you never expect him to go outside for five minutes and return with the neighbour's disembodied head.
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Feb 22, 2011 01:49
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Shandy posted:Terribleness I agree, that is an excellent summation of the Gaddafi administration.
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Feb 22, 2011 02:08
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schadenfraud posted:Good news: My friend is still alive. Man, even when things are starting to look up, there's still depressing news. Obviously the massacres of yesterday were a disturbing tragedy, but what about the thousands upon thousands of living people who were exposed to this? Will this affect the country somewhere down the line? For fucks sake, no child should have to be exposed to something like this.
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My God, I just checked on youtube to see if Glenn Beck had actually weighed in on this yet, and instead I found a segment of Alex Jones speaking. I had heard about this guy but... in the first two minutes, he said that modernists are trying to get dictators thrown out of countries so they can introduce fluoride, lithium, vaccines and rock & roll to steal people's will to live. The sad thing is, Alex Jones is actually more logical about the revolutions than Glenn Beck, saying you can't view them in a one-dimensional good/bad way, but then he goes on to say that these things could easily be manipulated by George Soros. Where do these people find there viewership?
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Feb 22, 2011 12:56
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Wait, destroying blood? I can't conceive of any reason why someone would stoop to that level of depravity. This is the kind of thing that would appall some of the worst war criminals in history. Who's doing it? The mercenaries?
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Feb 22, 2011 15:39
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The thing is, you could rationalise killing protesters by saying you're preventing a dangerous revolution or stopping rioting or someother bullshit reasoning, but destroying blood in a hospital is in no way something that can be rationalised into something good, or even something neutral. By doing that, you're evil insanse, or evil beyond any hope of salvation.
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Feb 22, 2011 16:06
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Noreaus posted:I shouldn't have switched over to that US State Dept. briefing. "Um, we are still trying to find out exactly what's going on over there...I think some of our people tried to contact the Libyan government over the weekend..." This kind of stuff shouldn't surprise me any more but what the hell?
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Also, deploying tanks alone vs infantry has been a recipe for disaster ever since their conception. A single shmuck with a firebomb is a serious threat to an M1A1 Abrams, nevermind an ill-maintained T-55 crewed by poorly trained mercenaries.
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Feb 23, 2011 23:56
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The thing is, western governments can certainly cooperate with these movements behind the scenes, because the main threat is public assistance leading to dictators saying the protests are western-backed. I wouldn't be surprised if several governments were doing all sorts of things to aid these movements.
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Roark posted:And the Persians, Phoenicians, and Macedonians. Macedonians and Persians showed up afterwards. Not sure about the Phoenicians.
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Feb 28, 2011 23:11
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Brown Moses posted:That's about $7000. This just reeks of absolute and total desparation. Also, isn't this basically just Gaddafi paying the people he's ostensibly at civil war with (indirectly if not directly)?
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Mar 3, 2011 22:11
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Xandu posted:Another amazing parody That was utter genius. Was that written by a westerner, a middle-easterner (is that the correct term?) or another party?
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Ham posted:So Mohamed El Baradei was on TV for 3 continuous hours in a landmark interview. Never thought I'd see a politician declare themselves socialist that easily. I'm going to go ahead and assume you are also from North America. Everywhere else in the Western world (and many places elsewhere), about half the socialists will openly call themselves socialist. E: I'm an idiot; didn't even notice the username. Lustful Man Hugs fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Mar 10, 2011 |
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Sivias posted:Well, my point was simply If A then B. Against Western Air superiority, conventional military victory is implausible if not outright impossible. Especially considering that they aren't doing so well already.
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Amandyke posted:Yes yes, centuries in the making etc. What do you think the response would be if they approached the Libyan resistance counsel and offered their assistance? With their blessing do you think the same outcome would occur? The destructive capacity of every Fox New employee exploding with the power of a cruise missile isn't something to scoff at.
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New Division posted:First of all, it's pretty likely that a No Fly Zone would involve Interdiction on some level at the very least. Second of all, the UK and France launching an NFZ is effectively the same as all Europe launching one due to the fact that they have the two best equipped carriers in the whole continent.
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What are the odds of even hitting a low-flying jet with an RPG-7?
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There are a lot of Western media sources that make it sound like the revolutionaries aren't going to win this. Is there any truth to that?
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Despite this, the concept of capturing so many armoured cars is a bit odd, considering so few soldiers were captured. Obviously, yes; unsupported vehicular combat in an urban environment is suicide, almost regardless of context, but I still think there is a significant 5th column in the so-called 'Pro-Gadaffi' forces.
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Oh, and as a Canadian, I would like to clarify that any Canadian contributions to a NFZ would be: - Launching outdated Attack Helicopters from a very small warship - Cheering on France and the UK from a nearby Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigate - Taking a shot every time a Rafale/Eurofighter takes down an enemy Aircraft or Missile Installation
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el samayo grande posted:I thought Canada had a wing of "gently used" F-16s from the 80s? We have CF-18's actually. Regardless, I highly doubt we would be able to do anything with them without an Aircraft Carrier (and we haven't had one for decades).
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So, who exactly is winning in Libya? Every other post switches between: "Oh no, Gaddafi's definitely going to win this really soon" "BREAKING NEWS: Libyan Rebels capture several fully operational tanks" How is this actually going?
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THE HORSES rear end posted:Western Leftists and Islamic nationalists bear a large degree of culpability for the West's dragging its feet on this. When any foreign policy action that the West does, no matter how benevolent or unquestionably right, is immediately labeled "IMPERIALIST" by the usual suspects over and over again, it becomes understandable that the West would find it safer to just sit back and let evil continue. Um, yeah no. Notice how the Libyans and Liberals basically all around the West are asking for intervention now? It's the Conservatives dragging their feet because there's no way to make money by helping others. Also, I like how you didn't mention Iraq, which was the one action that was really called Imperialism on such a large scale.
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quote:We haven't punished even the terrorists who we captured. We captured a big number of them. Did we exclude them? Torture them? Kill them? No... All the time we focus on a small number, the naughty, noisy people. We like them. They are sexy. But the majority, they are not very interesting. We should listen to the millions of people, the voice of millions. All the time we want to listen to 30 people here, 1,000 here, 100 here. I told you we have thousands of atheists who don't believe in God Almighty, even God. They say 'we don't believe in God, let alone Mr Gaddafi. Um... what? This is the weirdest thing ever. They are sexy? Are the Gaddafis sure it isn't them who have taken hallucinogenic drugs?
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What about the plan being drawn up by UK, France and Lebanon? They sounded pretty serious about doing it (Also, it would be a trilateral plan, which is much better than a unilateral one). Of course, this could just be more empty rhetoric.
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Narmi posted:There's talk that Denmark is preparied to go in on a no-fly zone without a UN mandate. There was talk that one Danish party (the Red Greens) want give the rebels stinger missiles so that they could defend themselves instead of having to rely on western intervention. I can't be the only person to be thinking about the Canadian TV show Red Green. If so, this is exactly the kind of thing I want to see happen in Libya (fix everything with duct tape).
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