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cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

breaklaw posted:

I just saw them replay (bits of) the speech on BBC and I didn't hear it that way. He said he was ordering MOD to look into no-fly zone possibilities. I didn't hear him say anything about arming Libyans and none of the news analysis mentioned it either. They did mention that other than the no fly zone, other military action hadn't been ruled out, and that anything military would be (obviously) coordinated with allies.

quote:

"We do not in any way rule out the use of military assets,"

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cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
Disgusting things, again and again.

cloudchamber fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jul 3, 2013

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Ace Oliveira posted:

How did they "check" that those girls weren't virgins?

Do I want to know?

By checking to see whether or not their Hymen's broken I guess.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

AFP posted:

Lawyer for ousted Tunisian leader Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali says he has not stepped down as president or 'fled' the country

So what on earth did he do then?

cloudchamber fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Sep 4, 2014

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
It'll be doctored like that picture of bin Laden's cadaver which made it into The Time.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
Meh.

cloudchamber fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Sep 2, 2015

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
That medic has the worst job in the world right now.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
From the Square a few hours ago:

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

quote:

dada camera. Policeman drags body of protester into a pile of rubbish just now after army and police storm Tahrir Square.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr2-VlldcuE

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

az jan jananam posted:

That quiz was honestly the first time I ever saw the Egyptian Revolution referred to as the "Lotus Revolution"

Me too. I'd never heard any part of the Spring referred to as the Pearl Revolution before either.

cloudchamber fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Dec 27, 2011

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
Yeah, missed a key there.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
FP have an article about how the head of the Arab League observers in Syria might not be the best human rights observer:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/12/27/the_worlds_worst_human_rights_observer?page=0,0

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Fragrag posted:

Can someone give me why the F1 is such a huge deal? Is it because it's kinda shortsighted of the government to ignore the protester's issues while hosting such an opulent event?

Also, it's been a year since Tim Hetherington and Chris Hondros were killed in Misrata. :(

quote:

For the monarchy — and for Formula One — there are also overriding economic concerns. The Grand Prix is the kingdom’s biggest sports event, drawing a worldwide television audience of roughly 100 million in nearly 200 countries, bringing in half a billion dollars in revenue and attracting thousands of visitors. When the race was canceled last year, Bahrain still had to pay Formula One a $40 million “hosting fee.”

So with the world watching and big money at stake, the government has hoped to use the race to demonstrate that life has returned to normal in Bahrain. But the media spotlight on the race in recent weeks has to some extent resulted in the opposite: a closer look at the political situation and the protesters and their claims of human rights abuses.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/21/sports/autoracing/21iht-srf1prix21.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
What the hell...

@hebamorayef posted:

Judge said that there was no evidence submitted by prosecution that bullets that killed victims came from police #Prosecutionfail

cloudchamber fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Sep 4, 2014

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Zedsdeadbaby posted:

Are the guys in Israel worried about this or do they see it as hollow posturing?

It's nothing they haven't heard before.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
Syria's Olympics shief has been denied entry to the London Games:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18550862

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
The Qataris have pressured them to alter content on at least one occasion:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/30/al-jazeera-independence-questioned-qatar

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

SquadronROE posted:

Multiple revolutions isn't unheard of. The French had something like 4.

The whole thing actually matches up to happened between 1848 and 1851 almost perfectly. You have a region wide revolution followed by a reactionary coup. Maybe Hegel/Marx were on to something with the whole repetition in history thing.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Amused to Death posted:

Yeah, they're going to get angry, but so what? What are they going to do except be angry? They're not going to radicalize in the sense of trying a counter-coup or anything since the country overwhelmingly supported the coup, and they're not going to radicalize into hardcore Islamists given the fact even the salafists wanted Morsi out.

People have already been killed in the last few days in street battles, whatever comes next probably isn't going to be pretty.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Lawman 0 posted:

Hey does anyone have a list of infrastructure that Egypt needs to improve?
Im trying to figure out relatively neutral things that aid money could go to. :sigh:

Parts of Cairo lack any infrastructure whatsoever, and have built informal economies around cleaning up the trash that gets dumped on them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manshiyat_Naser

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

This Jacket Is Me posted:

France had no, none, international support during their revolutionary wars. In fact, the entire world was opposed to their revolution. Even the US waged an informal sea war against French interests (where they had been allied a mere few decades before). And for good reason; the whole place had descended into violence...

The U.S refused to support the French Revolution because the uprising had inspired a series of insurrections across the black Caribbean, which led the National Assembly to do something really crazy- they abolished slavery. Also, are you suprised that the Monarchies of Europe were opposed to the revolution? Even when the moderate Gerondins were still in control and the country was still a constitutional Monarchy subordinate to the Bourbon throne, the major European powers, led by Prussia and Austria, signed a treaty effectively declaring war on the country if Louis XVI was not given total control of the country again. The radicals who staged The Terror, The Jacobins, took over in the panic and fear surrounding the beginning of the Prussian began March on Paris. The violence and terror of the French Revolution began because of the other nations' stance against the revolution.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
Does anyone have any serious assessments of whether the whole thing over the proposed oil pipelines is a factor in the western decision to strike the country?

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

serewit posted:

Iraq isn't a useful or educated comparison to Syria in any way, shape, or form other than "they're sort of near each other".

There are similar sectarian undertones as there were in Iraq, just with a shia minority ruling a sunni majority. Anyone who backs invasion, or any kind of intervention, needs to explain how the situation won't dissolve into sectarian clashes once the regime is overthrown, as happened in Iraq.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

serewit posted:

I'm not sure how you can conflate missile strikes with 'war', either, but people not knowing what the gently caress they're talking about is pretty much SOP these days. Welcome to the future, where words don't actually mean anything any more! Someone disagree with you? Call them an authoritarian imperialist because god forbid you try to rebut a point.

The isolationist position isn't anti-war, it's anti-action. Dumping money on refugees isn't going to produce much of a result other than making life better for them - laudable, but why not attempt action that makes it more likely there will be less refugees in the future? More to the point, political realities being what they are in the US, there's about a 0% chance that vastly increased relief aid would ever pass Congress in a million years.

What action do you think will alleviate the refugee situation?

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

How are u posted:

Libya turned out to be a big win for everybody but Ghaddafi.

...and the hundred or so black Libyans executed in the aftermath after being falsely accused of being mercenaries.
http://opiniojuris.org/2012/08/13/did-the-misratan-thuwar-persecute-and-commit-genocide-against-the-tawerghans/

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

illrepute posted:

Here's a better question: How many people who support bombing Syria were cheering as the Egyptian military overthrew Morsi, or were insisting that everything was going to be just hunky-dory in Libya?

In the thread the one guy who defended the coup and the army massacre in the aftermath opposed the intervention the Libya.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Libluini posted:



Holy poo poo there actually was one? Teaches me to give the benefit of the doubt, I guess.
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Yeah Jut. He made about a hundred posts about how the sixty Muslim Brotherhood members the army shot totally had it coming.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

All the aid was given to the ISI who were responsible for distributing it. The CIA were forbidden from entering Afghanistan during the war and no evidence exists to say that they didn't honor this order.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Svartvit posted:

I wouldn't go as far as to say the referendum was a sham. It really seem to have popular support.

Less than 50% of the population turned up at the polling stations over the two days voting was open, even ignoring the harassment of no voters, the new constitution hardly seems popular.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Radio Prune posted:

Did Hersh ever clarify his comments on the Bin Laden raid?

He said that to promote his "alternative history of the war on terror" book, which is coming out at some unspecified future date.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

JT Jag posted:

Someone could always assassinate Assad. That would be a pretty devastating blow to the regime, from everything we know it's really personality-driven on that end and it'd be difficult for someone outside of the family to pick up the pieces.

It probably wouldn't change anything in the long term, this guy would just take over:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_al-Assad

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Count Roland posted:

What is that photo showing?

Refugees queuing for food:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/26/queue-food-syria-yarmouk-camp-desperation-refugees

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

dr_rat posted:

For those curious about what Zizek thinks of ISIS:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/03/isis-is-a-disgrace-to-true-fundamentalism

For those not, er don't click I guess.

Half of that article is just Zizek copy pasting excerpts of things he's written in the past. Just Googling the line, "If today's so-called fundamentalists really believe they have found their way to Truth, why should they feel threatened by nonbelievers" shows that he's already used that identical sentence in at least two of his books.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine

Young Freud posted:

What the gently caress? I haven't posted in this thread for at least a year and yet I'm somehow in the top 10 posters!

Edit: guess I'm a bit wrong about that, since my last post until this month was in October.

This thread will be four years old next month, so you've had plenty of time to make a huge number of posts even if you haven't posted as much recently.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
I'm always amazed at how few views that video has, even though it gets linked to in basically every discussion of Adam Curtis's films that takes place on the internet now.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
I've not read the entire thing yet but Seymour Hersh finally published the exposé on Osama bin Laden's assassination that he's been hyping up for a while now:

quote:

This spring I contacted Durrani and told him in detail what I had learned about the bin Laden assault from American sources: that bin Laden had been a prisoner of the ISI at the Abbottabad compound since 2006; that Kayani and Pasha knew of the raid in advance and had made sure that the two helicopters delivering the Seals to Abbottabad could cross Pakistani airspace without triggering any alarms; that the CIA did not learn of bin Laden’s whereabouts by tracking his couriers, as the White House has claimed since May 2011, but from a former senior Pakistani intelligence officer who betrayed the secret in return for much of the $25 million reward offered by the US, and that, while Obama did order the raid and the Seal team did carry it out, many other aspects of the administration’s account were false.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden

cloudchamber fucked around with this message at 19:40 on May 10, 2015

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
The LRB is a pretty major publication. Certainly no less so than The New Yorker where his pieces used to be published.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
Right after Hersh's story was printed an NY Times journalist, Carlotta Gall, claimed that she'd been told, by a source in the ISI, that Pakistan had been hiding bin Laden.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/magazine/the-detail-in-seymour-hershs-bin-laden-story-that-rings-true.html

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
Was that Ynet article about a Russian intervention legit? No major news source seems to have picked up the story.

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cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple, Newman. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine
NYTimes piece on US attempts to create a fighting force in Syria. The experienced militants on the ground already appear to be running rings around them.

quote:

On his phone, Mr. Freiji flipped through photos of skinny trainees in clean military uniforms wielding their new weapons. But new problems arose after the class of 54 graduated in July.

About a dozen returned to Syria to visit their families and were detained by the Nusra Front, Mr. Freiji said. While some have since been released, the episode emphasized how vulnerable the young recruits were to battle-hardened militants who have now been fighting in Syria for years.

Division 30’s leaders recognized this, so on July 30, Mr. Hassan, the group’s leader, and another commander, Farhan Jassem, entered Syria to meet with Nusra Front leaders and assure them that the American-trained force intended to fight only the Islamic State, according to Mr. Freiji and another Division 30 commander who spoke on condition of anonymity so as not to jeopardize his relationship with the Americans.

Soon after entering Syria, the two men and six others were promptly captured by the Nusra Front. They are still being held.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/world/middleeast/us-to-revamp-training-program-to-fight-isis.html

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