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3 Allawi clerics have spoken out against Bashar al-Assad, which might be significant. http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/12/166476.html quote:أصدر ثلاثة من كبار مشايخ الطائفة العلوية في مدينة حمص بياناً أعلنوا فيه براءتهم من "الأعمال الوحشية" التي يقوم بها النظام السوري بحق المحتجين، ومؤكدين في الوقت نفسه أن نظام الأسد لم ولن يمثل طائفتهم الشريفة في أي حال من الأحوال". Three of the highest clerics of the Allawi sect in Homs released a statement that states their innocence from the "monstrous works" undertaken by the Syrian regime against protesters, and emphasized at the same time that "The Assad regime did not and will not represent their honored sect in any shape or form."  "National Unity- Kurds and Arabs"
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Brown Moses posted:This channel is posting videos from an Arabic TV station of more horrors in Yemen The Yemeni guy here blames the Gulf States for what happened.  Also in the video with the dead child the guy is yelling pretty much "WE WILL NOT TALK" over and over. Pretty chilling stuff. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Sep 19, 2011 |
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That opposition channel posted earlier, Suhail TV, is pretty amazing. Especially since al-Jazeera isn't reporting on Yemen right now for some reason. Even if you don't know Arabic the images are pretty obvious. They're showing material that I think even al-Jazeera would shy away from, it's really brutal. They said earlier that a unit had defected to the protestors and showed a bunch of soldiers marching with the protestors. Also the Sanaa airport has been closed.
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Brown Moses posted:Are they currently showing live images of the fighting, or is recorded? It says "mubasher" when the fighting footage is coming up which suggests to me that it is live. edit- also one of their cameramen was killed by a sniper so they're doing some pretty serious work there.
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A spokesman Ennadha, the Islamic party in Tunisia, declared that polygamy should be a fundamental aspect of future Tunisian society (and then denied that he did so). Banning polygamy was one of the major prior accomplishments in Tunisia. http://www.tixup.com/societe/7074-ennahdha-la-polygamie-est-un-principe-fondamental-a-inscrire-dans-la-prochaine-constitution.html quote:Selon Samir Dilou, porte-parole du Mouvement Ennahdha, la polygamie est un principe fondamental qui doit s’inscrire dans la prochaine constitution tunisienne. Il a déclaré pour nos confrères chez Investir En Tunisie que “la polygamie est l’un des principes fondamentaux du programme à venir du mouvement Ennahdha. Nous défendons ce droit et cette liberté préservée en Islam. Nous sommes déterminés à introduire ce droit à la constitution tunisienne”, a-t-il affirmé. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Sep 21, 2011 |
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Belhaj and the Tripoli Local Council just gave a press conference calling for an end to appearances of heavy arms aside from authorized institutions.
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It's not hard to get into Libya. I know a few reporters that just took buses from Cairo.
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It's the name he came up with to title to the Glorious People's Republic of Libya, an alteration of "jamhuriyya", the word for 'Republic' used in most Arab countries' names. It translates to something like 'state of the masses' or 'people's republic' in English. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Oct 14, 2011 |
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mr. nazi posted:Can anyone translate that? I'm envisioning "See how that made you feel? Take that energy to the polls." It's written in Tunisian Arabic... it says "feeq, al-dictaturiyya tnajjim tarje'; nhar 23 October imshi sawwat", or "Wake up- The dictatorship can return- On October 23 go vote"
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The problem in Syria is that it resembles Lebanon more than Libya. Stepping in there would be intervening into a messy ethnic situation. A lot of Syrian minorities are legitimately terrified given the experience of their neighbors and are standing with Assad despite being labeled as "minhebaks".
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This article claims that the Arab Spring has wiped out 32 billion dollars in the foreign reserves of Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Yemen and Libya.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Passive aggressive goons respond to a perfectly legitimate concern. The population of Libya is almost entirely Muslim, Sunni and Maliki. Religious divisions aren't the concern.
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According to AJA Libyan authorities are refusing to say if Saif ul-Islam has been killed or not.
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EdTheHead posted:I believe definition 2 applies here. Please stop. Nobody cares.
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Nombres posted:Increasingly seems to me that "Allahu Akbar" is almost used to mean "gently caress YEAH" than anything else but to hell if I know. The Libyan revolutionaries (and population as a whole) are strongly religious and their rhetoric is (for better or worse) centered around Islam. This is one of those things that is also disturbing about the Syrian revolution. Religious rhetoric wasn't so present during the Tunisian or Egyptian revolutions due to the general nature of the protesters as well as strategic decisions by religious groups. Eg the strongest slogans in Tunisia were of course "degage", "al-sha'ab yureed isqat al-nidham" (the people want the downfall of the regime) or "khubz wa ma' wa Ben Ali la" (Bread and water, Ben Ali no) az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Oct 20, 2011 |
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ThePutty posted:I think the biggest hypocritical thing about NATO is how they won't intervene in Syria or Yemen, both nations who have pretty much the exact same circumstances as Libya with Gaddafi over diplomatic and strategic intentions, rather than over the people of both countries. Russia really needs to stop thinking it's the cold war, nobody wants to invade Russia anymore. It isn't just the issue of consensus, it's a strategic issue. NATO intervention was effective in Libya because they could act as close air support in a civil war for rebel forces, with specific frontlines and areas to defend (Nafusa, Misrata, Benghazi). This is not the situation in Syria. Firstly, there isn't armed conflict in the first place, so there aren't front lines and the Syrian armed forces hasn't seen mass defections like Libya; they've almost uniformly stuck behind the regime. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Oct 20, 2011 |
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ThePutty posted:From articles, it seems like the Syrians want NATO to intervene so they can get together an armed force. The problem seems to be mobilizing them and getting together because of the mass crackdown. NATO issuing a No-Fly Zone would essentially blow up the powder keg with the lit fuse, that's inevitably going to blow up down the line. NATO intervening would light up a whole different type of powder keg. The comparisons to Libya aren't there. Upon the start of the revolution Libya was almost immediately expelled from the Arab League, an institution which ended up approving the 'no fly zone' (and kept quiet despite the loose interpretation thereof). Gaddafi was almost completely isolated except impotent African countries which had bribed over the years, and even 'resistance' groups like Hezbollah are cheering his downfall. Geopolitically, the intervention in Libya was as safe as it could get and had very good chances of success. The situation in Syria is diametrically different. Almost all of Syria's neighbors have an interest in seeing Assad in power (or slowly transitioning out of power). The Arab League hasn't been able to come up with a consensus to condemn Assad, and the Assad regime has its hands in Lebanon, Iraq, and the Gaza Strip. As of right now, the revolution in Syria is an internal problem, and Iran or Syrian proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas aren't publically standing against the revolutionaries. If NATO intervenes, the conflict takes on an entirely different nature. Simply bombing and arming the revolutionaries isn't a very viable strategy. The Syrian armed forces are disciplined, committed to Assad, and many of them are from minority groups that believe that they are literally fighting for the survival of their communities (and they have some legitimacy in believing that). The intervention would look more like Lebanon 1982 than Libya. I don't see any type of strategy in which "bomb Syria -> freedom" becomes viable on the level that it was in Libya. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Oct 21, 2011 |
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Chortles posted:Link/source on this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932010_Iranian_election_protests More directly, this quote:Iran could do away with the post of a directly elected president, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said on Sunday, in what might be a warning to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and possible successors not to overstep the executive's limited powers. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Oct 21, 2011 |
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Perhaps the greatest news to come out of Iran this year were the accusations that waterfights started by Iranian youth were part of a Western conspiracy to undermine velayet-e-faqih.
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According to an Arabic source this is what he said after he was arrested "ايش فيه ..ايش فيه .. خيركم يا شباب خيركم.. ماتقتلونيش.. ان ابوكم .. انتم اولادي I don't know what "Esh fihi" translates from Libyan (probably "what is this?") but the rest is "Have mercy on me, youth, have mercy...don't kill me...I am your father...you are my children" az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Oct 21, 2011 |
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According to fighters interviewed by al-Sharq al-Awsat Qaddafi said this after his arrest- «يا أولادي هل تقتلونني؟ يا أبنائي أنا القذافي.. أنا القائد.. ماذا تفعلون؟» "My children, will you kill me? My sons, I am Qaddafi...I am the Leader..what are you doing?" So he said some sort of variation on that. The quote here was translated from Libyan into MSA so it might be an edited rehash of what I posted earlier. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Oct 21, 2011 |
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Brown Moses posted:Some people think Jalil's talk about Islam is an attempt to undermine more conservative Islamist factions, but obviously more Islamoparanoid voices in the west are hearing something different. If it is a ploy he might have overplayed his hand considering he said that any law that opposes Sharia is null and void, including restrictions on polygamy.
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OwlBot 2000 posted:If I remember right, I think Tawergha/Taworga is etymologically related to Tuareg That sounds unlikely unless you have a source that says otherwise. 'Tawerga' and 'Tuareg' look and sound completely different in Arabic. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Oct 23, 2011 |
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A Tunisian friend posted this on facebook which I thought was pretty funny in light of the intellectual divisions in Tunisian society. Blue is "The Progressive Secular Tunisian Republic" and red is "Nahdhastan". Green is "The People's Hashemi Hamidi Republic" which is a reference to Muhammad al-Hashimi al-Hamdi, a Tunisian political writer. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Oct 24, 2011 |
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Everybody hires western PR firms. Qaddafi and Assad both had PR firms to reform their images.
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Ice 9ine posted:One Qaddafi's biggest pet peeves was everybody in the west mispelling his name. It's his fault since (former) Libyan government websites spelled his name in a dozen different permutations.
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Nenonen posted:I hope they are saying the same to men. Sharia requires the followers of Islam to behave and dress modestly, regardless of sex. In practice it never does. Kuwait is full of men who wear short shorts but won't look a woman in the face.
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el samayo grande posted:This is the problem - not all "Islamists" go on morality patrols, that's a Salafi thing, and they're only a small part of the Islamically-based political movements in the Middle East. It's absolutely not just a Salafi thing. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Oct 28, 2011 |
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Ghetto Prince posted:Yes, but they still carry guns and kill people, and they have the full backing of the state and a lot of resources. It isn't even about religious law, it's just one more tool to make people keep their heads down. Given that the Basij and the mutaween and the like are fervently religious and believe strongly in the sanctity of religious authority it probably has quite a bit to do with religious law! Going back to the comment about morality police being a minority extremist position in the Arab world, I don't know how that is definitely ascertained. Egyptians for example are strongly religious and most support positions like sex segregation in the workplace. Presumably they would want some kind of mechanism to enforce their various social positions. I think that anyone could have predicted that Libya would tend away from liberalism and towards conservative Islamism given the general makeup of the country and the strangulation of Libyan society under Gaddafi but it remains to see how far that they will go and I think there's little reason to believe that it will end in clerical tyranny like Iran. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Oct 28, 2011 |
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suboptimal posted:I'm skeptical. "No God but God and Mohammed is His messenger" is part of the Shahada and a key part of the Islamic faith. Al-Qaeda can't co-opt the Shahada for its own ends. It looks the same as the al-Qaeda flag. Same script and design.  
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OwlBot 2000 posted:Being "good guys" or "bad guys" never made a difference in international support, at least compared to the real question: do they represent our interests? As Truman once said, "He's a bastard, but he's OUR bastard!" It was FDR who supposedly said this and it was never actually said.
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Rosscifer posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre Hama was a localized armed uprising. It's difficult to render a comparison between what happened in Hama and a non-violent decentralized people's revolution with such longevity like what we see now because there is no precedent for this in Syrian history. I would question the idea that Assad has completely lost legitimacy, though. It's pretty clear that some unknown yet significant sector of the Syrian population does support al-Assad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8X8uH7H71s If we're accepting that rallies are a show of 'popular strength' as in Tahrir Square I'm not sure where that leaves Syria. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Nov 3, 2011 |
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حقائق وجرائم ثوار الناتو في ليبيا وهذه صورة المرتزق الامريكي وهم يقبلونه لانه قتل ليبيين يشهدون ان لا اله الا الله وان محمدا رسول الله Facts and the crimes of the Nato Rebels in Libya This is a picture of an American mercenary and those who welcomed him because he killed Libyans who believed that there is no God except Allah and Mohammed is the prophet of God az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Nov 8, 2011 |
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Another one هدا هو الاكونت المرتزق للقناص الدى شارك فى القتال ضد شباب ليبيا الشرفااء "This is the (embedded?) mercenary of the snipers that participated in killing the honorable people of Libya" Reasons that Google Translate won't work on Youtube or Facebook is 1) it is an internet translator and 2) Facebook comments are frequently posted in dialect and not MSA and 3) they're full of typos anyway. A lot of these comments are impenetrable to me because I don't know Libyan and they type retarded. In any case most of the comments are variations on "God curse them" and nothing specific about Caro. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Nov 8, 2011 |
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Casimir Radon posted:What the gently caress is with the music? Perhaps due to the influence of al-Jazeera, Arabic videos are required to have sweeping, dramatic orchestral scores.
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Sir John Falstaff posted:I suppose the same motivation might be at play here, in a "see what happens if you make trouble" way, but it seems less likely to me that that would be officially sanctioned, particularly when the regime is trying to make things look better for the Arab League. It could be a pro-government militia, though, or just someone filming it without authorization. I'll admit I haven't watched it, though, and have no intention of doing so. Bashar is pretty well past the point where he makes things look good for the Arab League, and it's not clear that he has a firm rationale to do so anyway. The Shabihe have been raping and killing for some time now, so this would not be an escalation on their part (if that decapitation video is from Syria). In any case it's not like the Shabihe is a disciplined group operating under orders. They're a collection of gangsters that loosely believe around Baathism (aka the money they get from the regime). There won't be any smoking gun from the mukhabarrat with an order of "hey, Unit 502, decapitate people today", it'll just be "ok, here's money, do your work". It's also theoretically possible that Bashar himself does not have a great degree of control over the crackdown given that Maher is mostly pulling the strings over what is going on now. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Nov 10, 2011 |
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The Arab League suspended Syria's membership. Lebanon, Yemen and Syria voted against the resolution but (perhaps unexpectedly) Iraq abstained.
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Charliegrs posted:Yep not too surprising Iraq abstained. Iraq is Irans bitch now. Were this really the case they would have voted against the resolution, as Hezbollah-dominated Lebanon did. This doesn't show suzerainty, it shows a degree of independence.
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