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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

John Lennon.



And he abused his wives, the fucker.

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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

quote:

The idea that Erdogan is nothing more than a power-seeking megalomaniac is hard to reconcile with his first term as prime minister. After he assumed that office in March 2003, he oversaw three rounds of political reforms, including diminishing the role of the military in politics, strengthening the freedom of the press, doing away with state security courts and changing the penal code.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Turkey's case isn't that a pretty obvious route for someone to take if they want to secure their position as an autocrat?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

LeoMarr posted:

The peiple arguing that "well the rebels arent the best people so that justifies assad using gas weapons" are like trying to argue against the yugoslavian patriots taking their country back in WW2. Its a stipid fuckint argument that wont make hitler any less hitler. And those pwtriots killed women and children.

Just lmao if you apologise for Chetniks and Ustase.

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Apr 23, 2017

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Yadoppsi posted:

I know this isn't about the Middle East but the SE Asian thread is pretty dead, does anyone know more about this or have a source about it that isn't The Intercept?

Trump’s Indonesian Allies In Bed With ISIS-Backed Militia Seeking to Oust Elected President

If there's one thing I've learned in the last week it's that high-ranking military personnel really like WhatsApp.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/858325446106243072

Well that's good. Started up the offensive again. Guess they feel the US human shields are working.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Brother Friendship posted:

They don't have a choice but to seize Taqba as quickly as possible, its an excellent anchor south of the Euphrates and taking it from the regime was a real prize. There's also no point giving ISIS time to prepare defenses as it would just cost more lives to take the city.

I didn't see much of a response from the Syrian government from the Turkish attacks and I don't see any reason why they'd really mind if Turkey kept the SDF occupied. This event takes momentum away from Team Yellow when they were making huge strides without interruption. Meanwhile the rebels have been pushed far from Hama as they lost most (all?) of their gains in 2016 but further advances would be costly due to the terrain. The regime has had a great deal of progress in Palmyra, pushing their territory north, south and east of the city and appear to be setting themselves up for an offensive to Deir Ezzor. As CNN likes to say, these border disputes could just be a 'hiccup'. There's seems to be a lot of that going around right now. Assad uses chemical weapons, US airstrikes on Syrian airforce, Al Qaeda/some other terrorist group svbieds civilians, Turks bombing the nefarious Kurd, Israel air strikes in southern Syria. Spin the wheel to find out what's next.

Sure, but there was a supposed announcement a couple of days ago that they were suspending the offensive until the coalition stepped in to stop Turkey, and they did stop advancing for a few days.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Also no Franks in France, or Turks in Turkey at the time.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Syrian/Arab Republic?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Also wasn't the Pol Pot thing more, 'the Khmer Rouge wouldn't exist if the US wasn't in Vietnam and illegally bombing the surrounding countries.' Wasn't really apologism afaik.

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 13:00 on May 2, 2017

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


oh lol. Nevermind then, what a prick.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Are those tracks from a digger? :3:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

GreyjoyBastard posted:

:raise: Not only do I not see a lovely tangled beard, that Daesh face looks suspiciously feminine.

Edit: maybe the aesthetically pleasing central character is a Kurd coming to take your children and educate them as atheist communists

Is it even a beard? I thought it was their hair. Definitely thought it was a woman too.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

To Battle posted:

It looks like an asian to me?

Almost Pacific Islander to me.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

I'll just put my own perspective and say nah, I'd feel exactly the same about a bunch of rich American tourists falconing in Southern Iraq getting picked up and ransomed. I'd hardly wish for their kidnap, but there are far worse tragedies it's hard to feel much sympathy for a bunch of princes.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

I think you'll find he was a clever puppet master, he actually likes people calling him a retard. Did you see how many people thought he was as dumb as his tweet sounded? More fools them. He was only pretending.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Sergg posted:

Sargon of Akkad blamed Elliot Rodgers' murder rampage on feminism and claimed that the "loving FEMINIST SYSTEM" disenfranchised him, called the Elliot Rodgers of the world "these poor loving guys who don't have any options left".

He considers the "progressive left" to be "cancer" and has very strong opinions on the mistreatment of white men.

He's also a 9/11 Truther, really big Trump supporter, and thinks that the media is just horribly horribly unfair to white men and to Donald Trump.

He says that capitalism works for everyone who isn't disabled or lazy or who didn't get a dreaded gender studies degree.

Turn-offs: "Cultural Marxism", "Social Justice Warriors", "reverse discrimination", Feminism

But the political compass told him he's a libertarian socialist! Obviously those further left than someone ideologically accredited by an internet pop quiz are just crazy for calling him a rightwing nut.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

pangstrom posted:

I have had the same thought and have recommended the podcast to two of my libertarian-ish high school friends a couple years ago (recommended = suggested a relevant episode a couple times based on some topic they were posting on FB about or whatever). It totally worked with one of them. Last time we talked politics he told me that I should listen to Dan Carlin and I had a little inner smug moment and said I would check that out. He is still basically an idiot but this tiny victory is probably my most successful "direct intentional conversion" story so I'm telling it.

I turned an ancap into an anarchist by explaining worker ownership of the means of production. Now he's a beardy youtube man working for the good side. Surprisingly loving easy.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Nah, you want the awful murderous dictator existing alongside the bastion of free socialism for accelerationism's sake.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Same twitter comment that said far right is the Raqqa Hawks said far-left is Liwa Thuwar al-Raqqa (assuming that's 'LTR').

e:gently caress should actually read posts here.

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 21:27 on May 13, 2017

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

"America had blowback from supporting both brutal Ba'athist dictators and Islamic fundamentalist sectarians, but did it for freedom. Ergo supporting freedom causes blowback."

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Surely the SAA's been told by Russia not to gently caress with SDF and vice versa because both the US and Russia would prefer to avoid a full proxy war and instead keep it to two different simultaneous civil wars?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Al-Saqr posted:

Desperate people resort to extremism when all their friends get gassed and tossed into the oven and no one rescues them when the guy oppressing them brigs in crazed theocrats from Iraq and Iran. News at 11.

lol. These poor people turning to Al Qaeda are less responsible for their own actions than the Kurds possibly maybe making deals/being told to make deals with Assad. Extremely cool story.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Al-Saqr posted:

lol. these poor people don't have the might of the entire U.S. military handholding them to victory and providing text-to-bomb services to protect them with all their air force from having their cities leveled the being thrown into an oven. Super cool story brah.

Would if they joined the SDF, brosef.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Contractual obligation seems to go both ways though. If their support for AQ is entirely hinged on saving themselves from the ovens they could've gotten protection from Assad quite easily. broham.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Al-Saqr posted:

lol says white fat dude living in the lap of luxury who's never have all his friends killed, his town burned to the ground, and has no recourse to save or protect himself other than who will help no matter what. it's really obvious you have no loving clue what you're talking about and have made no attempt to read the history of how things got to where they are. Buzz off.

Literally no Kurd had to worry about these things.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

I hope the SDF hires some clowns too. :smith:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

And I'd imagine featureless desert is a hell of a lot worse than mountains or forest for an insurgency. But I guess being mechanised sort of changes that equation too.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/865316273303040001

quote:

Exclusive: the #SAA will proceed advancing towards #AlTanaf but from another flank, the troops will be escorted by #SyAAF in a 24/7 shift.

So apparently they want to have another go of it? Doesn't seem particularly wise.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Sergg posted:

They can't be this stupid, can they?

https://mobile.twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/865338105326424064

quote:

For the doubters #SyAAF Mig-29SM armed with the R-77 AA missile. pic.twitter.com/2sRUiEFx4u

:shrug:

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 07:46 on May 19, 2017

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Volkerball posted:

A credible report on this would obviously come from a pro-regime source, so that's not really an argument against it by itself, but this dude seems like a real idiot. Linking al-Masdar and what have you. I'd take it with a grain of salt. Could be Assad stronk nonsense. Time will tell.

I just figured that's how someone writing for a Russian publication acts. Fair enough.

https://twitter.com/WaelHussaini/status/865516155124854784

quote:

Confirmed: The troops now are located 30km away from #AlTanaf checkpoint.

Are they really going to do it? :psyduck:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Otoh I thought it was interesting that he misses a bit of the point here.

quote:

Our support for social justice or liberal democracy, and what these concepts mean for political participation and civil liberties, should not be born of the supposed utility of these principles in war. Rather, the support these ideals because should be based on the belief that they are preferable to social injustice and political oppression. Scientifically, we will never be able to ascertain whether any given political system offers better performance in times of war. Modern-day warfare is subject to its own principles, based on planning, competence, discipline, equipment and weaponry and a military sense of realism. It requires an understanding of who the enemy is and a proper identification of objectives; it relies on intelligence and the harmonization of political and military decision-making during war. These principles can be put into practice by either leftists or right-wingers, by religious or secular leaders, by democrats or opponents of democracy.

That approach to warfare is itself ideological and requires a rationalist understanding of the world. While I'm sure the Arab regimes of the time did subscribe to that, it's not as if it's as apolitical as he intends it to sound.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

I can't believe someone can, with a straight face, tell them to oppress women more to make sure people in the region are more friendly towards them. Talk about cynicism.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Which raises an interesting question about whether the US would support the Kurds if they were acting out of idealism, or whether their socialism and Turkey's insistence they were terrorists would make the US throw up their hands and claim it's 'baddies vs baddies'.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Replies say that's normal airtraffic to Europe?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Baudolino posted:

So far how will Saudi go in putting the boot down on Qatar? I have to assume that Trump is OK with this so could they get help from the USN to implement a full blocade? It`s not like Quatar could do anything to retaliate.

Doubt it, if everyone's belief that the Generals now control US foreign policy to a large degree is true, wouldn't they be more likely to just try and keep right out of it and hope any coup is quick?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

Willie Tomg posted:

so, wait. Did... did a Saudi minister just admit the KSA had a hand in Morsi's ouster?

Like, publicly??

Technically they just alluded that a similar situation may occur.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

MrNemo posted:

Maybe Erdogan genocides some Kurds?

It's going to be this, isn't it? :smith:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


Incredible. Why didn't someone think to tell him that climate change would fuel instability in the ME and he could look tough and win over some of his opponents if he went full Eco-Fascist?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

So given Trump is pretty chuffed about his actions in this ending terrorism forever, will Turkey's response be seen as a slap in his face? Especially because they're talking to Iran?

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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013

"Posting about posting is actually good" -Probably ISIS

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